lol the defeat of the secessionist camp on SOL is complete . They have failed to convince one single person outside their political group, they actually lost credibility with folks that were sympathetic to their cause prior to their BSing here on SOL. Somalithinker: Taas labadayda taano ayee ahayd, hadii aad fahmiwayday honour your dirac ee ka fakar.

Labadayda taano. Kow taano: All Somali groups/factions/clans/regions share the closing ranks mentality. Its one of those characteristics that unite us. Its a part of our Somalinimo. Lamma taano: Eedo was too generous when she compared the secessionist 'unity' with to the jews. If you want to know what I am talking about ask the people of East and West Burco. Or better yet ask the folks that live from Kalabaydh ilaa Boorame - Saylac, the folks that would rather join jabuuti then the secessionists.

Labadayda taano. Kow taano: All Somali groups/factions/clans/regions share the closing ranks mentality. Its one of those characteristics that unite us. Its a part of our Somalinimo. Lamma taano: Eedo was too generous when she compared the secessionist 'unity' with to the jews. If you want to know what I am talking about ask the people of East and West Burco. Or better yet ask the folks that live from Kalabaydh ilaa Boorame - Saylac, the folks that would rather join jabuuti then the secessionists.

I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh lord Ive been waiting for this moment, all my life, oh lord Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh lord, oh lord

What makes Mungiki tick? by Murthui Mwai ("Daily Nation," October 23, 2000) Singing traditional songs and occasionally snuffing tobacco, the group of about 400 marches on "match boxes and petrol in hand. Ahead lies the Freemasons building on Nyerere Road, Nairobi. "We will burn it down", they chant. "It promotes devil worship." A few weeks earlier, the object of their fury was the Muranga Police Station... and before that the Nyahururu Station, where scores of sect members were locked up for unlicensed assembly and, allegedly, conducting illegal oaths. When the sect is not making headlines for advocating female circumcision, it is professing a mass conversion to Islam. No wonder Cabinet Minister Joseph Kamotho recently urged the churches to help counter it. Said Kamotho: "Time has come for the Church to condemn the practices of this sect which is promoting outdated cultural beliefs." Meet the Mungiki sect. It is purportedly a revolutionary group which "will realise its goal in two years". The recent merger of its members with Muslims, says national co-ordinator Ibrahim Ndura Waruingi, "will hasten the realisation of this goal." "Islam means submission to God, while Mungiki means the masses. In two years, we will have converted Kenya or at least three quarters of it to Mungiki," he says. He adds that Mungiki has about four million members in the country and hundreds of co-ordinating units from the national to the locational level. "Our aim is to spearhead African socialism. We have a duty to mobilise and bring economical, political and social changes in society so that the masses can control their destiny." Other goals are to fight against bad governance and social ills facing the society and to establish a just nation. Regarding the Freemasons building, Mr Waruingi earlier said: "It is only a matter of time. The halls must go... they must be destroyed." This was a declaration that infuriated security officials at a time Internal Security Minister Marsden Madoka had told Parliament the Government would tame the sect. Question: Why doesn't Mungiki seek registration? Answer: "We will never do that. We do not need to be registered by (this) Government which only abets poverty, insecurity, killings and social instability." Mr Waruingi was reacting to Nairobi Provincial Commissioner Cyrus Maina's Moi Day challenge that the sect seeks registration "if it is transparent and has nothing to hide." There are similarities between the pre-colonial Mau Mau Movement and Mungiki, Mr Wairungi says. "We (Mungiki) have Mau Mau blood in us and our objectives are similar. The Mau Mau fought for land, freedom and religion... and so do we." However, he says, the Mau Mau did not achieve their goals. "Kenya today is controlled by the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the Americans, the British and the Freemasons. It can't initiate its own development and has sold all its properties to Westerners in the name of liberalisation." He describes pluralism as an American ideology which does not guarantee African development. "It has only promoted tribalism, nepotism and individualism, rather than socialism." Mr Waruingi blames the present system for allegedly helping the spread of Aids and devil worship in Kenya. He denies that his movement perpetrates insecurity and administers illegal oaths. Advocates of the materialist theory claim that revolutions are not created in people's minds but out of adverse socio-economic conditions. And on this basis, they argue, the Mau Mau liberation war was started in the early Fifties by the Kenyan peasantry after it became disillusioned with the colonial oppressors and the African elite, who were compromised by the colonists. Fifty years later, Kenya's history seems set to repeat itself. Mungiki "a shadowy movement" has been organising itself quietly and systematically as the Government downplays its threat. Like the materialists, Mr Waruingi argues that the Mungiki was actually the creation of the present social and economic crises in the country. He says the Mau Mau took up arms only after the colonial government harassed them and forced them into the bush. "Nobody actually intends to fight but one does so after being provoked. The more you persecute and oppress a people, the more you will turn them into militants. The Government has contributed to the birth of Mungiki through its high-handedness," he says. Mr Waruingi said that after Mungiki was accused of forcibly circumcising women and administering oaths, it invited the Government to its functions "to prove that we have no intention of causing chaos." But, he says, by declaring war on the Freemasons, some top religious figures and Government officials started issuing threats to the movement. "Why did an individual push the Kirima report on devil worship under the table instead of making it public?" asks Waruingi. "It is clear to us that the probe was ordered only to find out how many devil worshippers' secrets had become laeked." Waruingi accuses Mr Madoka of criminalising Mungiki and says that no woman has gone to court to accuse the sect of forcibly circumcising her. Question: Who are the real leaders of the sect? Answer: "The movement was started by God. He is our chairman and decision maker..." Lately, Mungiki has demonstrated a fearlessness and militancy that alarm other citizens and leaders. Its raid on a police station in Murang'a recently was an ominous sign, as was its fight with the police in Nyahururu a few months ago. Then, too, was the beating of police officers in Kirinyaga and the numerous clashes with law enforcers in Nairobi. If Mungiki members can snatch a gun from a police officer in Murang'a, what can stop them from firing it to defend themselves? Meanwhile, the Mungiki group has been credited with two positive things, bringing order to matatu operations in Kasarani area, Nairobi, and being at the forefront of the campaign for a people-driven constitution reform. At the Kasarani area, no thefts have been reported since the sect members started their operations. The group has flushed out several thugs and juveniles. 'Islam means submission to God, while Mungiki means the masses. In two years, Kenyans will submit to our ideals...'

I have seen news articles on this group and am kinda curious. What do you know about them? BBC Profile of the Mungiki sect They pray as they face Mount Kenya, which they believe to be the home of their God, known as Ngai. And their name means "a united people". If we are going to hunt them down, the problem is going to be worse Sociologist Ken Ouko But Kenya's Mungiki followers are no ordinary believers. Their holy communion is tobacco-sniffing, their hairstyle that of the Mau Mau dreadlocks and the origin of the sect is still shrouded in mystery. Since the late 1990s, the sect has left behind a trail of blood in its rejection of the trappings of Western culture. Deaths Last week, the sect was back in the news following two days of clashes with police which left at least two policemen dead in Nairobi and 70 of its members in police custody. Mungiki supporter Many deaths are blamed on the Mungiki The clashes were sparked by a dispute over the control of the private minibuses business in some parts of Nairobi, two weeks after 30 people were killed in similar clashes in the Rift Valley province. Police say more than 50 people died last year in clashes involving the sect and owners of private minibuses, known as Matatu, in Nairobi alone. "Mungiki is a politically motivated wing of a religious organisation," says Ken Ouko, a lecturer of sociology at the University of Nairobi. "The religious bit is just a camouflage. It's more like an army unit. During the old system, they seemed to be complimentary to the system. In the new government, they seem to be antagonistic." Secrecy Inspired by the bloody Mau Mau rebellion of the 1950s against the British colonial rule, thousands of young Kenyans - mostly drawn from Kenya's largest tribe, the Kikuyu - flocked to the sect whose doctrines are based on traditional practices. Former Kenyan President Daniel arap Moi The Mungiki sprang up under former President Moi One theory has it that Mungiki was formed in 1988 with the aim of toppling the government of former President Daniel arap Moi. The sect was, at one time, associated with Mwakenya, an underground movement formed in 1979 to challenge the former Kanu regime. Other reports say Mungiki was founded in 1987 by some young students in central Kenya to reclaim political power and wealth which its members claim was stolen from the Kikuyu. Its leadership claims to have two million members around the country and to have infiltrated government offices, factories, schools and the armed forces - members who would not necessarily sport dreadlocks but support and finance the sect behind the scenes. What is known is that the sect operate in secrecy, taking unusual oaths and saying strange prayers in forests and rivers in central Kenya. Kikuyu oral literature portray gory images of their ritual scenes: Grown-up men with loincloths wrapped around them, standing bare foot in rivers, engaging in snuff sessions and bathing in blood mixed with urine and goat tripe. One of its leaders, Maian Njenga, claims he had a vision from God (Ngai) commanding him to unite the Kikuyu and fight foreign ideologies. He is now in hiding, together with his co-leader Ndura Waruinge. Actions After last month's Mungiki attack in Nakuru, Interior Security Minister Chris Murungaru ordered a police crackdown on the sect. He accused the former ruling party Kanu of having nurtured and protected the sect during its reign. But Kanu, now in the opposition, deny the allegations, saying leaders of the sect claim that some senior officials of the new government are members of the sect. Away from the running battle with the police, the Mungiki members have also been involved in other anti-social acts: * Stripping women wearing miniskirts and trousers in public * Forcibly imposing female circumcision * Raiding police stations to free their own members who were under police custody. And the sect has been assuming a new modern face, using AK-47 assault rifles instead of clubs, machete and swords. Sociologist Ken Ouko says the Mungiki sect seem to have managed to address a social and spiritual hunger among the young slum dwellers which the church and the state have failed to feed: "I would say this is a social reaction to either poverty or just being disgruntled. "The best approach is talk to Mungiki. If we are going to hunt them down, the problem is going to be worse. "We have to take a diplomatic approach."

^lol..now whats your opinion as a Somali?

how about Pland needs to go?

^Don't worry karma is a b*tch iyada bal iska maslax.

Informing the wifenapping squad already.

^Lets hope that the warm welcome continues for the refugees sake.

Interesting story. We all know how it will end. The secessionist leadership and a small clique will exagerate the number refugees living in the enclave and will make a buck or two out of the peoples misery. The refugees will get the same treatment the Somali-abo got in Hargeysa. The local clans will feel threatned and think 'their' land is being taken away, thats why we are already seeing the maamul saying that no permanent buildings can be built by/for the refugees. Anyhow I hope for the best for all the people. I know its not a nice being a refugee, those of us who have been in refugee camps in Ethiopia/Kenya/Yemen know how it is.

Xan: did you give her anything?

Eedo dropped a bomb Badacse macalinka diig-kar ha isku ridin, if the secessionists where jews they would have got recognition by now.

Sharmarke your faith is weak, believe adeer believe. Northerner only dogs have bosses, the rest of us have employers.

The same old you hate us or xaasid aad tahay This is politics adeer deal with it.

There is some serieuse face saving needed. I would suggest Seppuku for the secessionist leadership.

Liberia of all places? are these people really Somali? or is it a Nigerian scam?

Boys: Gaashaan Samatar Samakaab Mire Warsame Girls: Kaha Waris Haweeya Sulekha (only for exceptionally beautifull girls)

Yea right, she was attracted to the power and money, nothing else.....there are allot of females that think like that you know...if you dont believe me ask Kanye. or better yet ask Donald

^ Then she should have got herself a toyboy, what is she doing with an cajuus like that other then half.

Just checking, you can't believe everything folks say on the internet you know.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: Well, Somaliland is not what some ppl are creating now ,,, it is a land which has it is internationally recognized borders with Somalia, Ethiopia and Djibouti. really?

^ he is rich and powerful, he can do better then a cajuusad...females look at status remmember.

Lets speculate on what these hidden attributes could be.