Two years is TOO LONG a period. Say two weeks, dear. You should be able to learn all you need by talking to someone daily on the phone for two full weeks. That's 14 days. Four hours a day phone conversations. Heck! You would actually either get sick of the person after such a 'long' time of knowing them or you would love them so much that you want to marry them. If you can't make your mind up in two weeks, you shall not make it up in ten years says I. Now go forth and multiply.

^^^ Can’t help it, saaxib. Every time I try to lecture my own they plead “go and use your computer, daddyâ€. I still have time to break them into shape I guess. And this place gives me endless opportunities to practise my theories.

Originally posted by Che-Guevara: quote:Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^ Discussions don’t work that way, my sensitive friend. I have focused on what is going on here, if only you could just read. LoooL..Saaxib, You are so predictable in your answers...Sensitive Kulaa., and never mind how discussions work laakin I did read it, and all I saw was a man trying to defend or atleast minimise da inexcusable by arguing all humans succumb to their primal animalistic urges. Duqa, just condemn these ugly creatures,and drop "it could happen anywhere" mantric rant. Is that really your idea of a discussion? God! You’re even worse and more tedious than the originator of this thread. I beg the pardon of all the other readers of this thread, but at this point and faced with such empty participators in the discussion I can’t help myself from bursting forth and preaching once again. Here, my revolutionary friend, put that gun down and come sit at my feet. I’ll share a secret or two with you (SB can join you if he likes). But, first, let me warn you that what you’re going to hear is going to be very laborious, elaborate and convoluted. You might want to have pen and paper at the ready, just in case you get confused. Now, before I get into the topic at hand, let me do some background educating about discussions and the way they work (don’t go nodding off, son. I promise to try to make it exciting, with balloons, clowns and a ride or two). Ready? Let us begin then. Once upon a time, a young man bought a computer (let us call him Khalid: I feel that names give a character personality and make the reader empathise with them). Now this Khalid, after visiting countless game sites and downloading lots of songs decided that the Internet was boring and that he needed something more challenging! Something that will test his intellectual powers to the limit. He found himself a chat room! But, after weeks of A/S/L questions and text speech style conversations, Khalid grew tired of these chat rooms. He searched long and hard and suddenly he found himself in a DISCUSSION forum! Khalid, like all you little ones, was a novice. He had no idea how discussion forums worked. So, he began by posting a thread announcing his arrival and saying how much he was looking forward to a great and educational time in that forum. Apart from one or two trolls that objected to his chosen name (Khalid Ibn Al Waleed) and wanted to test his claims of bravery, most of the rest virtually welcomed him with open arms. Our hero, rode the sea of threads and innocently manoeuvred his way around all the incomprehensible discussions. To start with, like a child at the beach, he only dipped a toe here and a hand there. There were harmless discussions about love, heartbreak and boycotts of Israeli products. He spoke about the love, wept about the heartbreak and shook a defiant and angry finger in support of the boycotts. But, after a while, Khalid got bored of these simple discussions. He wanted to ride the Big Kahuna. But every time he tried, he fell flat on his face and got wet from head to toe. Now I’m sure you all felt the same way Khalid felt at one point in your lives. Remember how you excitedly bought a lollipop and as you hastily tried to undo the wrapper you clumsily dropped the whole thing on the floor and got it dirty? Or how you spent long minutes blowing a balloon only for it to burst when it got to the right size? Or even getting on a funfair ride and, just as things start to get frighteningly exciting, the ride ends! Well, that’s too how our confused Khalid felt. As with kids dropping their lollipops, bursting their balloons or being told to get off a short lived ride, Khalid threw the inevitable tantrum. It wasn’t his fault that he was clumsy, blew too much air in the balloon or took time to enjoy rides. It was their fault, whomever they may be. It wasn’t his fault that he can’t comprehend, understand or grasp ideas that are not in keeping with his huffy nature. It was their fault, whomever they may be. Khalid can be found in discussion forums all over the net and is being teased mercilessly by an infinite number of trolls, but neither his touchy nature nor his grouchy attitude allow him to realise that fact. Khalid is a sweet boy but if he does not grow a thick skin soon, the big boys will take advantage of him. I can see that some of you are nodding off, so I’ll swiftly finish the story by saying: don’t be like Khalid, my sweet ones. Don’t at all be like Khalid. Now, to that great South American revolutionary. We will have to speak with big letters, comrade. The Topic Is About Saudi Boys Abusing Girls In The Streets of Riyadh. If, We All Posted Replies Saying How Much We Abhor Such Acts And How Appalled We Are, It Will Not Be A Discussion, Comrade. It Will Be A Petition, A Complaint Or Condolences Thread. Unless, Of Course, What You Have In Mind Is A Thread Where We Try To Outdo Each Other With The Level Of Anger And Rage We Are Feeling. We (That’s You And I) Can’t Punish These Boys. We Can’t Soothe Those Girls. In Fact, We Can’t Do Any Practical Thing Here. But, What We (You And I Again, Comrade) Can Do Is To DISCUSS The Topic And Try To Work Out Why Someone Would Do Such Things. Now throw away that dirty lollipop, discard the remains of that balloon and forget about that ride. We’re going surfing, comrade. Don’t worry about falling, I’ll be holding your hand (and I’ll try not to squeeze too hard). Practice makes perfect, comrade, practice makes perfect.

^^^ Discussions don’t work that way, my sensitive friend. I have focused on what is going on here, if only you could just read.

Originally posted by Socod_badne: ^^You get off at bloviating, don't you? Cheez man, how do you expect me to read all of that and find time to read other posts. I propose every post, from henceforth, be vetted for brevity, for brevity is soul of wit . To paraphrase Ms Jackson: I betcha think this thread is about you, Don’t you, don’t you, don’t you.

Kashafa, I’ll let you save face there and carry on with your petulant obstinacy. However, I’ve got to admit that I’m glad you finally tried to think of reasons why such predatory actions take place. You still insist that such things only take place in Saudi and I still dispute that argument. Nonetheless, I’ll concede the point that the conditions in Saudi Arabia might be perfect for such wicked instances to rear their ugly heads, yet I’ll still maintain that humans are humans wherever they’re found. In fact, I’ll go as far as argue that those girls would have faced a worse fate had they been attacked by a group of teenagers in London, Paris, New York of even Xamar (pre the Mullah uprising of course). Some here spoke about the depravity of Saudi youth as being the reason for such actions. That may be true but is it the only answer? And, why? Have not these young men been brought up on a diet of virtue and respect? How many Saudi men would tolerate such a thing happening to their sisters? Isn’t the respect of women an almost holy practice in those parts? As far as I know, Saudis respect their women so much that they insist that these women never leave home alone (or without their faces uncovered) lest a leery young kid catch a glimpse and think ungodly thoughts about them. How then do they end up finding, in their midst, animals such as those we saw in the video? Though we can’t see the faces of the girls in the video, we can clearly hear one of the boys refer to them as Egyptian! It’s really not my intention to digress or move the subject away from its intended course, however, you and I know (assuming you lived in those parts) that the rule book does not apply to non-Saudi girls. Women from other gulf countries might receive some (but not much) respect. But an Egyptian woman (or even man)? Hardly ever! I contend that this is really not a Saudi problem because no woman in a foreign country ever (fully) receives respect from the local hoodlums. Somali ruffians would do the same thing to an Ethiopian girl without batting an eyelid. Their excuse will be that she’s not Muslim, not Somali or that it’s really not a big deal to her because most Ethiopian girls are, well, loose anyway (in the same way that the Saudi boys think Egyptian girls are loose). It is often said that man is a talking animal. We have the same basic instincts and desires as a he-goat and when given the chance (with no risk of retribution) many would be tempted to fulfil these desires. I’ve said this before and I’ll repeat it again, speaking of me personally, I would LOVE to sleep with a different woman every single day. I would love to drink myself into a coma (and I’m not talking about camel Milk here). I would love to have countless orgies, threesomes and gamble all my money away. In fact, I would love to remove all restraints and run wild until I could run no more. The desire is there, the basic need is hidden and the imagination to carry out all these things is not at all lacking. However, since my birth as a skinny Somali Muslim and over the years, I’ve been putting on all sorts of healthy fats and I’m so obese with morals and virtue now that I can’t bring myself to carry out any of these things. Aha! I hear you say. Weight can be lost, you mischievously whisper in my ear. And I agree, it can and does. Who here has not done a bit of moral diet and lost a bit of virtues fat behind their ears or from their hips, I ask you? Now, indulge me a little as I stroke my beard and preach. Morals, virtues, righteous deeds and even a conscience can carry one so far but in the end, they all can be shed like a used and dirty underwear. What is harder to overcome is FEAR. The fear of authority, the fear of retribution or just fear for fear’s sake. The boys in this video don’t seem to fear the authority of the state (in this instance). Because the state itself does not attach too much importance to the welfare and human rights of foreigners! They don’t fear retribution from the girls’ family because they’re only Egyptian after all. Yet, the real fear (and conviction) that they should really have does not at all seem to be there. And when I say fear, I mean real fear not the cheap version of the word. Those boys, for that temporary period when they were abusing the girls seem to have been overcome with momentary courage! At least one hopes it were a fleeting moment and that they did feel some remorse after the event. For to err, as I’m sure you’ve heard countless times, is only human. The fear that they should have had and that stops me from indulging in all my decadent desires is (as I’m sure you’ve already worked out) that of the almighty. Still - and I’m not asserting anything here but merely enquiring - when one is in such a position of power over helpless girls, and with one’s head swelling bigger and bigger with every girly squeal, what are the chances that one would start worrying or remembering the might and power that is bigger than he? Maybe it’s this false power; fake and momentary control over helpless girls in empty streets is what you think peculiar about Saudi boys. But the predatory behaviour, the abuse of women and the sexual harassment is a human trait that can be found the world over. You need only check out the women-only train carriages in Japan to see the consequences of similar yobbish behaviour (apparently, previously, the serial gropers in Japanese trains used to work to together in order not to get caught). At any rate, this is probably a discussion for another time and the one we have (as I understand) plans to simply deal with the ‘Saudi problem’ and the reasons for it. It’s a Human Rights problem, don’t you agree?

Stop spreading such Val rumours! :mad:

^^^ You really are not all there, dear. How could you write that after the exchange Val and myself just had (above)? PS I’ve finally matured into the chitchat stage of my SOL life. What was I thinking writing all those long pieces and getting all worked up, huh?

Originally posted by Valenteenah: quote:Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^^^ ^^^ Leave the boy alone, spinster. You bring shame to Somali women folks. Eighteen years old and still not hitched! You must be ugly, you must. :eek: :eek: I. Am. Not. Ugly! *Bursts into tears* Ok, Sorry. But, come on, you know I already know how pretty you are. So stop fishing for compliments, ugly. Anyway, though I would have liked to have really got under your skin, I think I better stop being silly now. I get the feeling that our little mutual friend with the loose screw had warned you in advance (for being a neglectful, forgetful and absent-minded woman). PS She’s not picking up her phone. Have things really got that bad? Does she really think that ringing thing is a miniature microwave now?

You mean you’ll wash half his clothes and she’ll wash the other half?

^^^She says as she gulps hard and bits her bottom lip to the point of bleeding

^^^ The point, my young and very excitable chum, is not that one does not feel for these girls or is not appalled by such behaviour (that’s a given), the point is to control your emotions and try to be a little bit more mature about the topic when you put it up for discussion. That way, maybe just maybe, your readers can reply with readable comments. Learn from me, son. If you would just listen, I’d make a real man out of you, instead of this false bravado in net forums. Now, are you ready to stop beating your chest and try to explain to us why you think these boys (since you insist that such actions are only peculiar to those living in that city) do such things? It’s ok. I’ll give you a minute to finish punching that screen.

^^^ God! Will the woman ever stop prancing about!

^^^^ ^^^ Leave the boy alone, spinster. You bring shame to Somali women folks. Eighteen years old and still not hitched! You must be ugly, you must.

Originally posted by Tyjwania: Where's rudy when you need him? Rudy-oow war kaalay adaa af taqaanee qoftan la hadal. LOOOL.

Oh. My. God! What a scary video. Do such things take place in this world? I mean really! Shocking video, really shocking. Have you had a look that guy’s beard? On a serious note, this is not only a Saudi problem (as Castro said) such nonsense takes place the world over. In some western countries, these boys would have girl accomplices helping them grope these girls. The offspring of riffraff and the things they get up to really. Next shocking video if you please.

Up you go my sweet. Shame about the stuff in the middle though.

Ah! To be young again. Now where is that Dorothy Parker thread I posted a while back! Hang on, I'll bring it back up again.

Originally posted by Valenteenah: ^^ I would like to see you try. *Smirk* It would wipe the smirk off your face, that's for sure.

^^ If it would get rid of you, I'd press it. But pressing buttons is so detached, so boring and so uninvolved. I think I'll spare you that. Aren't there any other options? I don't know, something like throwing old shoes at someone (he's looking at you kid)?

Why is a fat pay packet still a feminist issue? Carol Midgley Career women are under fire again Ladies, do you work fewer than 35 hours a week and earn under £20,000? Do your ambitions stretch no farther than fashioning nosegays and owning a self-squeezing mop? Then celebrate with a sniff of the fabric conditioner: this is your lucky day. It turns out that you are prime wife material. A man is advised to marry you because you are a safe bet. You won’t ever emasculate him by bringing home a fatter paypacket, you’ll never wonder if there’s more to life as you sit at home all day with the kids picking mashed banana from your eyebrows, and you won’t be unfaithful because, guess what, you’ll never get the chance. This, at least, is the theory of the man at Forbes whose article on the subject has caused a furore in America. Career women, he says, make bad wives. They are more likely to stray, more likely to divorce you, less likely to have kids and be more unhappy about it when they do get round to producing your heirs. “Guys: A word of advice,†the author Michael Noer says. “Marry pretty women or ugly ones. Short ones or tall ones. Blondes or brunettes. Just, whatever you do, don’t marry a woman with a career.†Want to know how he defines a “career womanâ€? It’s a female who has a university degree, works more than 35 hours a week outside the home and makes more than £20,000 a year. Yes, that means you, you ball-crushing grade II civil servant. According to the Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings published this week, it would also include a clergywoman, a librarian and a dressmaker. Have these women no shame? And what hope is there for the marriage of high earners such as J.K. Rowling and Cherie Blair? Drawing from various social studies, Noer maintains that “career†women are privately unhappy when they earn more than their husbands. And when they do have jobs the “chances increase that they’ll meet someone they like more than youâ€. Better to keep them locked in the home smoothing away your insecurities, preferably wearing a scold’s bridle. That way you can be sure they will never experience a moment’s unhappiness. There’s more. A husband married to such a shrew should expect that his house will be dirtier. This, apparently, is because there is less “labour specialisation†when both spouses work, by which Noer means that the man does the paid work outside the home and the woman does the unpaid chores within. The Nobel laureate Gary S. Becker agrees that without this division of labour, more marriages end in divorce. Haven’t these men ever heard of hiring a cleaner? What about the mountains of research showing that money problems are a huge contributing factor to divorce? If both spouses work, money is less likely to be in short supply. And surely men are more likely to remain stimulated by someone who has her own independent work life than someone whose idea of conversation at the end of the day is: “Have you noticed I’ve washed the bath mat?†Oh, but what’s the point? It is 20 years since Newsweek ran its seminal cover article stating that a single, white, college-educated woman of 40 was more likely to be killed by a terrorist than to marry, giving rise to many terminally single protagonists such as Bridget Jones and Ally McBeal. Earlier this year Newsweek retracted the article but the damage was done. The sport of baiting working women had been born. Two decades on and nothing has changed. Source

Why do you care for Iran anyway? :mad:

Val, another one-line. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Valenteenah: LoL...really? Sheikhs have quite a lot to answer for. Really, dear, you need to improve on this one-line-sitting-on-the-fence style of yours and just come out with it. What is it you want to say here?

^^^Midnight swim? Warya, you’re getting too spoilt these days. Watch out you don’t get too accustomed to the way of life and culture there. Or, soon, you’ll be talking about how much it cost you to tint the windows in your car or how expensive the perfume you bought from Merkato is. When you come back, your boys oop north will not recognise you. ** Makes a mental note to report these changes to the powers that be **