^^ Atheistka ma ku so noqotay? Maya, aniga ha i daayin, ninkaan daa warya.

Originally posted by Sayid*Somal: Ngonge - do you remember this: quote: Originally posted by NGONGE: Reminds me of the silly joke about the three women from Hargeisa, Borama and Burco. One day the three women met and agreed that they shall go on strike and stop cooking, washing or cleaning their houses. Let the husbends do it, they said. After a week, they met again and started comparing notes. The Hargeisa woman said: I went home that day and told him about my new plan. He didn't say anything. The first day went by and I didn't see any change. The second day went by and I didnt' see any change. But on the third day, he put his apron on and started washing and cleaning. The Borama woman said: I went home that day and told him about my new plan. He didn't say anything. The first day went by and I didn't see any change. The second day went by and I didn't see any change. But on the third day, he got dressed and went out to do the shopping for the house then cooked me a great meal. The Burco woman said: I went home that day and told him about my new plan. He didn't say anything. The first day went by and I couldn't see anything. The second day went by and I couldn't see anything. The third day went by and I couldn't see anything. But, on the fourth day, I was able to see a little with my left eye. War naga daa ha na kashifin. The logic crew will use it as evidence.

^^ You mean you will take the corrupt judge's word over the French doctor's? Dee naga daa..I'm with P here.

^^ We're not all Johnny-come-latelies like you, saaxib. Some of us started follwonig football before our sixteenth birthday. (Well, except Tujiyee, he as always, only started when Vialli was made manager).

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The Guru says hello and sends you this message. Dear Mr. HornAfrque You still have not learned, haven’t you, dear lad. You see, the notion that one will go out of his way, in-order to welcome the argument in so far as the history of the then SNM is concern, from the likes of you. Whereby on your end, one can easily put more politely, by saying that you happen to be as our SOL tiresome Afweyniste's fawning and sycophantic Apologist , is as appetising as the notion of being invited to a posh and highly sought-after restaurant and being told subsequently by the chef of that joint that the French menu’s of this evening, mainly consist that of cut-to-small-pieces cardboard boxes seasoned with a hefty dose of a spicy source… Consequently, as you can imagine, one would be within his right to make his excuses from that polite society that invited him to dinner; and in turn he was, in all seriousness, intending of keeping company at their side that night, by way of claiming an urgent family problem back home, particularly with the kids; so that he could be skipping or legging it out from the restaurant with a backward glance of the sigh of relieve sort , coupled with the notion of thanking his god that one has come so close in eating a card-board boxes for dinner, first time in his life. Subsequently it was not wont of manly fortissimo or even a lack of debating spirit on my part that have guaranteed my absence in that debate that you've mentioned; but, as I can tell, by a long experience that I had accumulated at your expense; one knows in his heart, that long before one enters the room, as to what your pointless arguments in so far as Somaliland and the then SNM will evolve around or will amount in totality; which is mainly Mr. Rayale this and Mr. Rayale that, and so forth and so etc… Therefore, knowing in advance the intellectual poverty of what is likely to be displayed from your end, in so far as your debating points is concern; I believe, one was correct in coming to the judgement, that others, particularly our Somaliland’s youngsters , who are new to the ropes of this nature should have a field day in chasing you around the place without my presence . And in so far as I am concern, I ought to behave like a manner that is akin to that grizzled and wise Lioness who is allowing her wayward cups to learn how to hunt for their daily bread at her presence; particularly when it comes to getting grips with all manner of small animals that can be found in the neighbouring areas to their nest; so that they could get life-importance lessons about the affairs of the wildlife that shall awaits them when they leave her bosom to their own danger-strewn individual paths. Therefore, knowing, as I said it, that it was unlikely that anything you say, will have me sharpening my pen in return, perhaps in-order to write home about it; or given that it could not be even anything that would force me to disturb my leisurely siesta of a rest, in so far as your little Siyadiste’s mind is concern. I thought it would be best to view things at the distance , and see how those youngsters that are learning the ropes of serious debating discourse in here shall make short work of your third-rate and it’s-hand-me-down nonsense-on-stilts that you daily paraded in here… Regards, Oodweyne. Wrote three years ago

^^ Psst, nothing got bent there. This is how language works. (Your logic still stinks. When you calm down, read your words again and try to see your mistakes). P.S. Malika, I don't want you to 'accept' anything (neither my logic nor that of those condoning the beating of women). I only want you to up your game and fight the power. (and yes, when I see nonsense I turn into a nasty bully, can't help it).

Originally posted by Ismalura: quote:Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ There you go again. I asked you one question (which you did not reply to by the way) and you came back at me with half a dozen of yours that do nothing but state the obvious. Lets try again, do you believe that Jinn possess people? Why? And how did you arrive at such a belief? (that they exist is not enough nooh). Obvious baad sheegeysaa ee isn't it obvious that I believe that jinn possess people? Can't you see how arrive at that from to from the questions preceding this;B]Do you see some basis for possession there? Aniga hade adult school teacher ma ihi ee hadadan wax fahmenynin kac meel kale macalin u raadso. :rolleyes: [/b] If that what you understand 'obvious' to mean I think adiga o baahan 'adult school', saaxib. Still, and even though I know you'll send me in another wild goose chase, I am going to ask how do you precieve such a posession to take place. Is it the traditional way where the Jinn enters one's body and talks through them to some spitting mullah? Che The whole case is a joke, saaxib. Unless the "Jinni" is actually presented in a court of law and can prove that he is indeed a Jinni (and not teh judge making silly voices) the media, law and even Mullahs are not going to let this judge get away with his silly excuse.

^^ It does not when I tell you exactly why I'm sexist. "I am starving, I can eat a whole cow" "I am so angry, I could murder someone" "I'm sexist, I don't like women's logic". Wax fahan.

Something to go with that Judge story. Sheikh nuune's posts are very informative.

^^ It's an Oyster card.

^^ There you go again. I asked you one question (which you did not reply to by the way) and you came back at me with half a dozen of yours that do nothing but state the obvious. Lets try again, do you believe that Jinn possess people? Why? And how did you arrive at such a belief? (that they exist is not enough nooh).

^^ dee maxaad la cadhoonaysa? I am sexist because I don't like women's logic (note that it is only women not cats, children or men). There is no mention of rights or worth. But, since you are a woman (I think), you are giving your own meaning to the words and equating my sexism to wife beating. Dee naga daa....

I don't see anything grotesque about that video. It's little children dancing to a song (bakar bakar, stop that bus anyone? ). Quite foolish to to base the serious discussion that follows on such a foolish start.

Cars are for playboys and those living in villages. For everything else there is:

^^ Of course. I am a Muslim after all. There are several mentions of them in the quran and hadeeth.

Originally posted by Ismalura: On the other hand you said you are a sexist and 'don't like women's logic' so why are you against wife beating? for naxariis? If a man doesn't beat up his wife but sill believes she is of a less worth is he better than the wife beaters? Seriously is there any evidence here that our logic is weaker than yours... ninba qumanahiisaa qoorta ugu jiraan maqli jiray. Yes there is plenty of evidence. Forget the rest of the thread, just read the first couple of sentences in your question.

^^ You believe someone can actually be possesed by a jinn? Prometheus, Come on, the lawyer came up with the perfect question. His client must face his accuser (who happens to be a Jinni) in a court of law. I do love Saudis with their amazing moral panics. They are never simple stories or even logical. Worse still, the way the stories build up makes it worthwhile for one to follow (for a laugh at least). Now some in the media are demanding that all Judges in the Kingdom have their own personal 'ruqya' protectros. Others are wondering if the Judge (or the Jinni) presided on previous cases and punished innocents as a result. The librals (who must be licking their lips with delight, and laughter) are making the most out of this situation and demanding that Fayez Al-Qathami (the rugya expert) must be punished if he does not prove beyond any doubt that he can actually speak to jinn. It's the most brilliant story ever and it's all taking place in Medina!

^^ 1- How can you believe in its validity without being an expert on the matter? 2- No person is ever satisfied with a beating (is that your condition for the 'deserve' part?). 3- A person who believe a certain action will make them better Muslims are usually not in search of pity. (But number one is the important one really). P.S. Reer Burco are like reer Qardho, beat the girl and her brothers will gang up on you.

^^ It throws up all sorts of questions. God knows how they'll be answered though.

^^ Keep making me editw warya: "better muslims" because they are accepting the "rules" dee. C&H, You're all over the place, maybe a (cyber) slap is in order. Essentially, what you are saying here is that you do not oppose the religious source the court has used (which probably is the ayah you quoted) but that you choose to follow the other interpretations of the said rule. At the same time, you say that those who accept any interpretations involving beatings deserve to be beaten! Does that mean you fully reject such interpretations regardless of their validity? Jokes aside, I am in agreement with you when it comes to violence (even with a miswaak). However, I can't help ridicule your aggressive stance. P.S. Such court cases are always good news (as awful as they may seem now). They eventually lead to a better (or should it be bitter) understanding of the issues and clearer positions.

^^ War leave this topic and go read the one about the Saudi judge and the Jinni. Now that is fantastic. C&H The women that accept beatings do so because they believe it makes them better Muslims. Do you not agree and how could you make a judgment if you are avoiding the religious element of the discussion?

^^ What does "full blown case by case with full saxiis hadiths argument" mean? Are there instances where you would condone or accept a beating?

Tuesday, 26 October 2010 JEDDAH: The Chairman of the Lawyers Committee in Madina has said he expects the judge being held on corruption charges to have the funds he earned during the course of his duties seized by the state. Sultan Bin Zahim said that investigators will be looking at the nature and causes of the judge’s behavior, and that any conviction would seek to prevent its reoccurrence. According to Bin Zahim, the Higher Judicial Council has yet to be presented with any charges against the judge, who is alleged to have accepted money to ease real estate cases through his court, but investigations are ongoing and numerous witnesses and suspects are being questioned. “Once the Bureau of Monitoring and Investigation has established that there is substance to the charges against the judge, they will be put before the Higher Judicial Council which will then take up the investigation,” Bin Zahim said. The lawyer said that if it goes to trial, the case will be heard behind closed doors and the judge will be allowed a defense attorney. Due to the special nature of the case, the ruling will be decided by a majority and will be final. “The suggestions by some lawyers that the judge should be pardoned but removed from his post should he be found guilty would not constitute a strong enough deterrent,” Bin Zahim said. The Madina judge was first taken into custody during Ramadan for allegedly accepting bribes to arrange through his court illegal ownership of real estate. Several businessmen and state employees along with seven engineering and planning firms are all suspected of involvement in the various cases that passed through his courtroom. The case raised eyebrows in legal and public circles, however, after the judge claimed that he was “under a magic spell” at the time of offenses for which he has been held on charges of corruption. The judge said he was later cured of the spell through “ruqya”, healing through Qur’anic recitation. Fayez Al-Qathami, a well-known practitioner of “ruqya” subsequently claimed that he questioned a “jinni”- or “genie”, as traditionally rendered in English – that spoke through the judge and identified a real estate broker who is also a suspect in the case as the caster of the spell. Last Thursday, Salim Bin Atiya, the lawyer defending the “spell-casting” broker, demanded that Al-Qathami bring the genie to court so that his statements could be heard. “If what the judge says is true, then the genie is either immoral or an unbeliever sent by a magic practitioner who has left the bounds of religion, as acts of magic by necessity require one to abandon the realm of Islam and enter the realm of unbelief,” Bin Atiya said. What the genie said ( ) More recently, Al-Qathami spoke to Okaz/Saudi Gazette and gave details of his conversation with the genie – who spoke through the tongue of the judge – and reiterated that the session was conducted in the presence of members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice (the Hai’a), a claim previously denied by the presidency of the organization. “The judge was given ruqya readings by sheikhs from Qassim, and the genie spoke to them,” he said. “What he said needs to be verified, as our Sheikh Bin Baz (the former Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia) said that if a genie spoke through a human tongue then that genie would be acting criminally, and might be lying.” The genie is purported to have revealed the name of a real estate broker it said was responsible for putting the accused judge under a spell, but Al-Qathami warned that the information might not be reliable. When asked if the genie provided details on the cases in which the judge was involved, Al-Qathami said that all the details were with the Hai’a who recorded them in their report. “The relevant authorities are investigating,” he added. On the subject of the judge, he said that he had most recently started treating him in Ramadan of this year, but had first conducted ruqya readings for him four years ago when he showed signs of “weariness”. “The magic only really took hold of him a year or two ago though,” he said, adding that what happened to the judge was “magic, making people do things of which they are not conscious”. – Okaz/Saudi Gazette Source

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