^^ Waa runta Prometheus waan ka shakiyaay.

An increasing number of children are being accused of witchcraft in parts of Africa, the UN children's agency says. Orphans, street children, albinos and the disabled are most at risk. A new Unicef report warns that children accused of being witches - some as young as eight - have been been burned, beaten and even killed as punishment. The belief that a child could be a witch is a relatively modern development, researchers say. Until 10-20 years ago, it was women and the elderly who tended to be accused. The agency says the rise in vulnerable children being abused in this way is linked to greater urbanisation in the continent and disruption caused by war. The growing economic burden of raising children is also thought to be a factor. The agency said there was little it could do about the belief in witchcraft itself, and that it was not trying to eradicate the practice. But it said violence against children was wrong, and that it would do everything it could to stop it. 'Major problem' Most of those accused of witchcraft are boys aged between eight to 14 - who often end up being attacked, tortured and sometimes killed. The children would be forced to admit being witches and then asked to tell the accusers who passed on the witchcraft to them” Joquim Theis Unicef officer Also, children have had petrol poured into their eyes or ears as a way of trying to exorcise "evil spirits" that healers believe have possessed them. It is reported that some evangelical preachers have added to the problem by charging large sums for exorcisms. One was recently arrested in Nigeria after charging more than $250 for each procedure. There has been no comprehensive study to suggest how widespread child witchcraft allegations are. However Unicef's Regional Child Protection officer for West and Central Africa told the BBC more than 20,000 streetchildren had been accused of witchcraft in the DR Congo capital Kinshasa. Joaquim Theis told the Newshour programme that such children had often been beaten and sent away from their homes. "The children would be forced to admit being witches and then asked to tell the accusers who passed on the witchcraft to them." Mr Theis said reintegrating affected children remained a "major problem". Source

^^ It wasn't me, it was my Jinni.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: It is amusing to see good NGONGE holding what he could of Ooweyne’s writings---one knew already that the empty didacticism of the man he called ‘the Guru’ had a lasting impression on him . As manifested in America’s recent policy shift toward Somalia, the marriage of the union is strong as ever: it’s a permanent entry in Africa’s regional charter which can hardly be amended as a result of political grievance as genuine as it might be. That is what we said then, and still say---and we were not wrong. The fact that some of his replies still fit most of your queries, shows you that there is nothing empty about the guru's lectures. Timeless tuff, saaxib.

^^ Xamaasada yaanay kula tegin dee. "I have the right to offend" applies to qolooyinkaan kale not to you any more (I would never dream of offending you. Wan ku arkay, qof nool ayaad tahay). Be fair Juxa, rag aan meel ka tuuray ma jiran. I'm waging my own grammatical war here. As for repeating it, I only said it once (in reply to you and you did not even bat an eyelid at the time). The rest has all been a grammatical dispute between me and Ismalura. She's doing quite well on her own (not too well but well enough to keep me interested). Dee naga daaya.

Heh@Rasaasta ma dhinac walbaad u ridaysaa The thing about such exorcisms is how they all differ in the way they treat them. Some spit, some stroke the head and others go straight into a beating. But all claim to have the perfect method!

^^ It was. I was with Italy because my old man was driving me nuts with his Brazilian support and kept on giving me endless info about the Brazil team. It also might have had something to do with their blue shirts (I was a child after all).

^^ Only in your version of logic could "I am not altogether evil" equal an admission to being evil. Yes, I said "I am a sexist, I don't like women's logic". You read it and later wrote it thus "I am sexist, I don't like women logic, doesn't Not mean that I am a sexist". You need to work on your sentence understanding and construction. The compelete sentence there tells you what I am and why I am so. I am sexist, I don't like women's logic. Tomorrow, we shall work on the use of possessive apostrophes.

^^ But I don't know the answer, I really don't. I can make an educated guess but seeing our track record, I am not really sure I'll get it right. Is it really that hard to say yes or no? Anyway, I was hoping for a much more open discussion on the idea of Jinn and demonic possession. It is something that seems to happen in many cultures (and faiths) in the world. Gaalo priests claim to be able to do exorcisms, African witchdoctors claim it and many Muslim wadaads claim the same thing too. Strangely enough, it has lately become very popular amongst Somalis. I've heard of someone flying all the way from London to Sharjah (in the UAE) to see a wadaad that does super-dooper ruqya (maybe the wadaad was our very own Mr P ). In Africa, the whole issue of witch craft and Jinn is blamed on children. It's all the rage in places like Malawi (little kids get killed for being possessed). But if everyone claims it, how could they also all 'cure' it by the power of faith? Surely there is only one true faith not half a dozen. At any rate, from an Islamic point of view, there are not clear incidents where someone was possessed by a jinn in the time of the prophet. It all seems to have taken place afterwards!

^^ What is? Dee iga daaya. Way dhamaatay.

^^ War there is only one Guru. That last reply was from here. I bet I can find a previous reply even for you.

^^ War naga daa dee. It's over (or is it?).

^^ They're still there but are top of the 'reform' project. The Saudis are actually getting brave these days and mocking them. Some guys helping a girl run away from them

^^ Wataa! So maad odhan ila ma hadlaysid. Now go away, jawaabtada wan helay. Over. Finish. Enough. No come back please.

^^ It is one of the most interesting places on Earth for such a debate (there is no Shabab or Taliban to stop the debate from taking place).

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Notwithstanding the gang-signal like secessionist affiliation with Oodweyne here, the absence of Oodweyne from these boards when Somalia’s political events (Somaliland included) are taking a fascinating turn only suggests that he sort of begun to see the writing on the wall as it were as far as the separation of Somalia is concern . The Guru sends you his regards and says: Mr. Xiiny, On the contrary, matey, for it's the case of: If, only, Mr. Xiiny's peace caravan could make that fictitious "legal union" (that has ceased to have any political force to be reckon with, indeed), other than in his own imagination, ever more pertinent reality to a country call Somaliland. Since, his political hero - i.e., the said Sh. Hotel - can't set foot in Somaliland, nor can he rule it from the ground up (which is where this talk of legality ought to really matters, indeed) other than to claim a bogus "jurisdictional ownership" of it through the BBC's airwaves. No wonder, you have yet to come to terms with the idea of Somaliland's agenda of ignoring any "new government" that has been form for Somalia - be it this one of Sh. Hotel or be it all of the previous one put together, indeed, at least ever since that year of 1991. But, then, again, dear old Mr. Xiiny and political acuity were never a good bed-follows, indeed; since, his is the idea of thinking that what "barrel-of-the-gun" have ordained it (or at least have created it, which is the case of Somaliland), with a copious blood been shed along the way to boot, no less, can be nullify by a "piece-of-paper" that has ceased to have any "political force" of it's own, or at least have no way of making a good on it's bogus claim when it comes to other's political destiny, indeed... But, there were are, it seems to me with dear old Mr. Xiiny and his argument. And therefore, not much ought to be held against him; since he, really, can't helped it other than being a "wilting-with-the-wind-political-shirt-changer" with a hazy grasp of real reality of the Somali's territories, particularly, that of Somaliland, our acquaintance, indeed…. [big Grin] Regards, Oodweyne. (war he's here even when he's not. His previous replies can answer any current question. Bilaash Guru ku mu noqon).

Sax, Nina. You said it yourself. You never ever talk to me. Now be a good girl and keep it that way. Hada ciyaal ha igu noqon, oday ween ban ahay faraka ciyaarta ma jecle. Barasho xun, now be on your way.

^^ They spent millions on the reform of everything. The librals are making it impossible for things to stay as they are. A good article on the fight between the librals and the sahwa Saudi Libral Forum (In Arabic)

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: NGONGE-There won't be any flying Jinn but this brings into a question his state of mind. Was he Jinn obsessed or clinically insane for temporary period-It's only important to society insofar it establishes a precedence. P.S. Seriously, Suadis should codify their legal system. Such a precedence in that society is way over due, saaxib. This idea of jinn has become very popular of late and there have been many cases of people being arrested or killed as a result. In fact, for the past three Ramadans, the most popular TV drama on the Saudi MBC channel was one about witchcraf and this sort of nonsense. In additon, there are countless TV channels that are dedicated to nothing else but spritual mullahs who can communicate with other beings and tell you about your fortune, illnesses or if someone had put a magic spell on you. The judge is clever but not clever enough. Millions of dollars have been stolen.

Oh Nina, Nina. That "life experience" in Xamar had turned you into a gibbering wreck. Act lady like and I'll treat you as such. Act like a spoilt child and I'll just mock you. As for debate ,journaalkan aad ii qortay hada muxu ahaa? Ooh..gartay, waa cyber rasaas miya? Iga tag adeer aan kuwa kaftanka yaqaan la sheekeestay, inaad caytan bilowdid ma rabo.

Brilliant logic again! I ask you a question to clarify your position and you interpret it as me already knowing the answer to the question. Superb superb logic! Fine. So it is the traditional way with you. A jinn enters someone's body, they (the someone) start acting funny and speaking in tongues, a mullah is called and he ejects the jinn. Right? (a yes or no will do here, no need for the theatrics again). Anyway, here is a question that you can't claim I know the answer to. Ready? Concentrate now. Here goes: Would you say that this judge was really possessed and that his jinni is the one that committed the crime? P.S. We have not been introduced so I am going to take this opportunity to say that I actually like you (don't like your creaky logic but like you). You're like a Rubik's Cube, an entertaining challenge.

^^ Nina, adeer, stop all this 'booto' dee. You can't do anything online or offline, even though you are dying to establish a reputation as some sort of female moryaan. Take my advice and try to do what Ismalura is doing (but failing), beat me with your brains. So caqli ma lihid mese xamaar ayaa madfac kaa qarxiyaay? Originally posted by Ismalura: Originally posted by NGONGE: [QB] ^^ Psst, nothing got bent there. This is how language works. (Your logic still stinks. When you calm down, read your words again and try to see your mistakes). My logic stinks? This from a man who said "I am sexist, I don't like women logic, doesn't Not mean that I am a sexist" Seriously how does that work in your world? Everything your said so far takes away from your argument of superior male logic. I think God for men like you to prove that generalizations like 'men have superior logic' are not true. I can just say look Ngonge... You will not admit it but you know that I have put you in your right place. 0 for you, 1 for a GIRL with better brains. God you're awful. Was that really what I wrote or are you adding your own words in now? P.S. Ask nicely and I'll explain it to you in baby language. I will too, I'm not altogether evil you know.

^^ It is actually to the advantage of the society as a whole rather than this crook alone. Remember that this is going to be a court case (with the huge amounts of money involved and the interest of the media), anything short of an actual flying Jinni turning up during the case is not going to help this judge. And, let us be honest, the likelyhood of such a being appearing in court is ZERO. The real clever person in this case is the laywer who demanded that the jinni be brought to court. P.S. No judge or jury in the world is going to let this man go on the simple say so of a ruqya mullah. Dee naga daa.

^^ Online dharbaaxo, adeer? Bax qof kaa weyn o yeedh.

^^ Tuuga 'red handed' ba lago qabta, ninkan ma qaban karta dee? It's all vague and unclear, saaxib. Atheist is a huge charge. Anyway, naga daa..lets go back to the funky judge.