A_Khadar;730716 wrote: You can called it a silly questio but I posted for a good reason when I see how little turns June 26th is recieved by landers yet celeberated May 18th in huge turns. P.S those who compared your choice of the queen with those in Mogadishu under the mercy of Ugandese, that was a bad call. I though NG you can do better than this. It was an open goal dee, saaxib. As for the 26th of June,that's a day to be aknowledged by all but (surely) be celebrated by none. If it were the only day then I would understand your argument but it was followed by bigger and better days. After all, patriotism (which, I assume, is what you're playing at here) is about nation building and remembering the good times. Now, when you compare the 1st of July (for example) to the 26th of June you forget the significance of both and the importance of each to these feelings of patriotism that you have. On the 26th of June, the occupiers (through no proper force or coercion) decided to leave and give Somalis their freedom. But the glorious day of the 1st of July was the time when the Somalis got together to build a nation! For patriotic reasons the second supersedes the first (which is why 18th May also is great).

So it's a choice between being a Ugandan colony or a British one?

^^ Sax. Lakin basashayada senxiga Somaliland ayaay ku jirta, dabeel ma qaadi karto. Xaasid ha noqon saaxib, nimcada inuu badi oo adna senxiga isku tuur .

^^ Taa laftiida waa CIV dee. Just imagine Siilaanyo as an actor in the CIV theatre, saaxib. Yours truly, though has tickets to attend the performance, may not sit in the VIP seats that Norf is sitting on. And, if we apply Che's accusation of 'gadaal ka gaar' (or whatever the phrase was), my sitting in the backseats makes perfect sense dee. Likewise with you, I could never claim to have attended one of the Imam's sermons (adigu kolay safafka hore ayaad ku jirta).

^^ Yes and Yes.

At least he thinks it was 1-0 to you not them.

^^ That's just a SOL rumour (I love the way they spread so quickly). The Guru transcends political parties warya. N.O.R.F;730659 wrote: Adigu wax fahan. You're not being reasonable. So there is no leeway, no benefit of doubt, no considering he is a novice? Saaxib, this isn’t the politics of a western country. This isn’t like asking Tory Dave a question in a building 300 years old on a Wednesday morning. This is Somalia. The guys who are supposed to represent the masses have not been groomed through Oxford and Cambridge nor do they have friends in high places. They are ordinary Joe Bloggs thrown into the lions den as it were. It’s understandable they get scratched when other older and wiser lions come to fight. Farmajo was not thrown into the lion's den, saaxib. He willingly took the job and believed that he was able to do it. Besides, of all the countries of the world Somalia would be the last place where a "novice" is given the benefit of the doubt. He lost the job becuase he was too nice and there is no worse insult to a politician than that, being nice. Naga daa dee.

All his educational qualifications show him to be an able bureaucrat (might even be him that plotted the earlier Farmajo course!). However, for his job to be a success he has to be much more than that. He has to become a hard-nosed politician, have the charming skills of Orpheus and the cold blooded reserve of a snake. He has to forego petty squabbles and embrace compromise (even the Kampala-esque type), as long as they help in achieving the ultimate goals of his job. It is said that Cnut the great (the old Danish King) once went to the beach, put his throne on the ground and ordered the tide to stop! Of course, it didn’t work (time and tide wait for no man) and this story has since become a popular example of arrogance in leadership. Let us hope Abdiweli is not “nice” enough when attempting to stop the endless Somali tide that he faces; he has to avoid bottlenecks and become a master of distraction and evasiveness. He has to ride the ebb and dodge the flow. But first, he has to immediately claim credit for all Farmajo’s work. And, once he’s done all of that, he has to tackle Al Shabab. Good luck.

^^ Isn't that what politics all about? Isn't that what I've been saying all along? It's all part of the job, saaxib (conspiracy or otherwise). Wax fahan.

^^ The evidence was accompanied by explanations (for those that dont' understand football dee).

^^ Has he not? Did he not dictate the tempo of the LFC games? Actually, don't answer me. Let him answer you himself. "In Brazil, they think everything starts with this player. The No 5 is expected to make the game. It is one of the most important positions."

http://www.xiddigaha.ca/picsteam.html

^^ War kadaa dee. AK waa runtiisa and he has a point when raising this issue. However, wuu dhaga culusyahay oo wixi aan u sheegayay baryahan ba wuu wada ilaaway. AK, This sort of news should actually make you rejoice and know that your destiny is with Somaliland, saaxib. As you can see, EVERYBODY has a complaint of one sort or another and EVERYBODY is fighting for an extra piece of the cake. But do you think they'll take arms or try to break way from SL? Clan IS Everything, Saaxib. And, at any rate, your lot are masters of the art (with songs and poems to boot). Why not put your guns down and join this brilliant circues saaxib? You can already see that you wont be left out and may even trump some of the complaints there. p.s. GT, when you say that I am Siilaanyo's nephew, do you mean real nephew or just sub-sub-sub-clan stuff? No for the first and yes (obviously) for the second. But I am not fond of the man as much as Norf is (again, follow the clan is everything mantra).

He started strongly then came to a stand still in the past few months. Lets hope he doubles up in the coming year for (just) more of the same is not going to be good enough.

^^ You are right, I will not find any instances because there aren't any of you being euphoric or me making the accusation. Norf, Unfair to question a prime minister? That's a new one warya!

NASSIR;730205 wrote: Ngonge, What could Farmajo have done better that he didn't? Indeed it's easy to field questions but hard to forward complete and honest answers. Heh. Turn it on its head, won't you saaxib! These questions didn't come out of nowhere dee. But, still, yours didn't either. So you ask what could he have done better that he did not! Well, how about playing the game of politics? His downfall did not come about because he didn't pay any salaries or cut down corruption. It came about because of politics, saaxib. He could have done more to reach out to Al Shabab (impossible though it seems). He could have placated the Imam rather than fall out with him. He could have forced the hand of the two Sharifs (remember that their dispute lasted for several months and ANY man in his position should have known that a victory for either would put his job at risk). He, like Nur Cade before him, could have won the favour of Mahiga, Musavin and others rather than allow the two Sharifs to hog the limelight. Farmajo may have been a good man (and I waste no time in proving/disproving that notion) but he was/is a hopeless politician. In fact, even now, when circumstances put him in the brilliant position of reaping the benefits of an overwehlming public support, he allowed such support to go to waste by first resigning and then (if rumours are to be believed) considering joining the new government! And yet, and yet and yet...the crazy support continues!

^^ Far too early. And, anyway, I don't think she'll have the time even then (she already has occupational therapy, phisyo and "malcaamad").

GT, she's right up my street with her Somali (linguistic problems becuase of her epilepsy).

^^ Dahabo got bullied the other day and it was all my fault! But I'll tell you about that later. First, let us have some monkey business. It's been almost three weeks since she started school and in all that time she does not seem to have learned that much. In fact, almost everything she knows thus far has been taught to her at home. However, the other day, Dahabo told me that she was looking at pictures of "Bahalka HOO HOO HOO yidhaahda". I realised that she was talking about a monkey and told her the name of the darn thing. The next day and because I know how bad her memory is, I asked her: Me: "Dahabo, bahalka HOO HOO HOO yidhaahda magacee?" Her: "DOG!" Me: "Maya adeer Dog maha" Her: " CAT?" Me: "Maya, CAT waa bisaad" Her: "Ma taqaan" Me: "Tuma?" Her: "Aniga" Me: "Car af ingreesi ku sheeg" Her: " I DAN KNOWwwww" Me: "Sax! Good girl" Her: "Bahalka magacee?" Me: "Ma ka HOO HOO HOO yidhaada?" Her: "Haa" Me: "Hadaba sii fiican o maqal oo xasuuso. Hada bari ayaan ku waydeen! Waaa MON-KEY" Her: "MON-KEY..MON-KEY..MON-KEY" The next day, as the whole family were randomly talking over dinner, I noticed that she was left out of the conversation and decided to involve her by asking about the word. Me: "Dahabo, bahalka HOO HOO HOO yidhaahda magacee?" Her: "Bahalkee?" Me: "Ka HOO HOO HOO yidhaahda" Her: "Sug. Wan sii xasuusanaya" Me: "Haye" Her: "bahalka muxu sameeya?" Me: "HOO HOO HOO ayuu yidhaahda. Haye, sheeg dee, magacee?" Her: "DOG maaha" Me: "Maya Dog maaha" Her: "Sida Dog-ga Woof Woof miyuu yidhaahda?" Me: "Maya. HOO HOO HOO ayuu yidhaahda" and then I proceed to do the hand gestures too! Her: "KAT maaha" Me: "Maya Kat maaha" Her: "Sida Kat-ka MIYAAW MIYAAW miyuu yidhaahda?" Me "Maya. HOO HOO HOO ayuu yidhaahda. Car magaciisa sheeg" Her: "Ku so celi. Ku so celi. Mar kaliya ku so celi" Me: "HOO HOO HOO" Her: "Maxay?" Me: "HOO HOO HOOOOO" Her: "Miyuu booda?" Me: "Haa wuu booda HOO HOO HOO na wuu yidhaahda" Her: "HOO HOO HOO?" Me: "Haa. HOO HOO HOO" Her (with a very cheeky and knowing smile on her face) "Ma kuu sheega bahalka HOO HOO yidhaahda?" Me: "Haa ii sheeg" Her: "Bal ku so celi" Me: "Iga tag waxba ma garanaysid" Her: "Ooooh! Waa taqaana waa taqaana. Mar, mar uun ku so celi, adeer" Me: "HOO HOO HOO" Her (giggling away and showing me that I've been had): "MON-KEY". ----------- As for the bullying; it seems that she got cornered in the toilet by a couple of girls who pushed her to the floor and slammed a door against her head. When I asked her why did she not fight back she said that I told her not to fight and instead keep saying "leave me alone". When I asked her if she could have defended herself,s he readily replied that both girls were "nuuno and that she could have easily beaten them both". Heh.

^^ I don't need to wait for such a day, saaxib. I just need a source that looks normal (my side or your side) but not Duke or NSUM dee. Wax fahan. (anyway, I said I'll watch the videos later).

AK, I am at work so I can't see the videos you posted but if they are anything like the links to SOL discussions that you gave me I shall be VERY disappointed at the waste of my time. I read every single post in those threads and they all seem to be full of XX & Duke posturings. iga daa.

Gabbal;730066 wrote: Xiin, that is a most excellent encapsulation if I may say so myself. The argument put forward by Ngonge and Oodweyne does not exist. One would be apt to call it a red herring which is why if Ngonge truly wants to understand what got those "islaamo" into the streets, he should go back and look at my bicycle analogy and realize the fallacious nature of the critique he put forward. Oodweyne, you are merely after a spar of words, not an honest deliberation of substantive exchange. Aah! Keep pulling at those emotional strings, won't you saaxib! War the Islaamo in Xamar or even Hargeisa do not bother me one bit. It is quite shameful of Xiin to hide behind the garbasaars of these women when he presents his feeble defence there and even more inexcusable that you would follow suit. You keep banging on about me being in England and I keep reminding you that you yourself are not living in Somalia. Yet, it seems that I have made use of my time in England while you have not progressed beyond the arguments put forward by the illiterate women in the street! Theirs is kneejerk, emotional and uninformed. But I extend them the benefit of the doubt because of these reasons and the conditions they live under. You and Xiin on the other hand, do not deserve nor qualify for such an indulgence. You both have the advantage of distance, learning and time to view things rationally, dispassionately and without prejudice. Still, in spite of all of that, you still peddle the same argument that the wailers of the capital city use! I do not need to be in their shoes to understand what they are going through, adeer. I am cultured enough, learned enough and intelligent enough to appreciate their predicament, imagine their suffering and recognise their limitations. After all (and here is another trip down memory lane), these are the same people that came out with their green tree leafs when the Courts were there and also came with their leafs again when Yusuf entered the city atop an Ethiopian tank! I fully acknowledge their suffering yet would view any argument or position they take with total disdain. If, however, a minor miracle occurs and I find that my conclusions are the same as theirs, I will comfort myself with the thought that my route to reaching these conclusions did involve some analysis, intellectual application and independent thought. Could you say the same? On Somaliland and the clear road block that I and my fellow citizens seem to have created in this topic, well what of it? What actual difference does it make? Now remember, Farmajo resigned! My argument, that of the Guru, Spadez or Norf did not cause his resignation and played no part in the resulting protest. The US & THEM scenario you are trying to create here must have an end result, my friend. What is the end result that SL participants on this thread hope to achieve? The only thing I could think of is simple schadenfreude! But, surely, if that was our only aim we would have done it in a more spectacular way (and the material for ridicule here are infinite). So, the question remains unanswered. In light of the recent protests regarding the sacking/resignation of Farmajo, an alert, logical and rational mind would analyse the reasons, causes and circumstances and wonder again; what are the achievements of Farmajo?

^^ AK, saaxib, if I wanted you to list the names of places I would have asked you exactly that. When I said preception that is what I meant dee. Hadal cad ayaan ku hor dhigay saaxib; show me and I'll condemn.

^^ I have never dreamt of a quraanjo warya.