^^ Easy with the scratching, adeer (you're amongst grown ups now). Just stick to your word and don't discuss something you have pledged not to discuss (if you're not sure, go back and read these six pages again).

^^ He didn't refuse to discuss it, adeer. He spent five pages discussing it and having you patting his head all the way. But when A&T wasted his time in giving him a different opinion, he started talking about novels. p.s. I disagree with A&T all the time. He's just grown up enough not to be offended by my words.

^^ Heh. The minute I get home, I put it in the kitchen cupboard and don't remember it unless I need to make a phone call or taking it with me in the morning. The guy you asked about lives in the East but travels all over town and is VERY good. I'll send you his details if you want (once I get home).

^^ I'm tempted to make a joke about him hitting the post and finally scoring (Thierry nooh) but I won't (even though I did, in a bad way). Mabrook, Thierry. Welcome to the club.

Got to love the way you big yourself up there. A man in his fifties being chased by a teenage girl! Of course, some of our vulgar young kids may call you a paedophile or recommend that you read the story of Lolita. Still, you’re not content with the open sea of single girls running all around you and (quite greedily and immorally) want to conquer an already occupied port. I can picture Maaddeey reminding you of holes in the ground and lots of rocks. When I was a kid in the Arab world, women were a mystery to me. I ogled, I stared and I had many favourites; some because they had nice eyes, others because of their lovely ankles and yet some more because of their beautiful hands, eyebrows or noses. Though I was aware of all the sexual parts and people’s obsession with them, never once did I have a favourite because her chest introduced itself before she did or her backside left a clear mark on a sofa. Upon growing up (yet while single) I carried on this habit. The bagel shop in Tottenham High Road had a pretty girl in it with eyelashes like sea waves, the Top Man shop in Wood Green had one with eyes as green as a mardoof and the Tesco’s in the Seven Sisters Road had one with a chin as pointy as a finger. Then I got married! Being married opens a whole new world to you. The world of WOMEN! It is when you start hearing of what heblayo did, heblayo said or heblayo is intending to do. It is when you begin to understand how women think (you can claim to understand it as a single boy but you’re simply scratching the surface there). I now believe women are mad and no amount of pretty eyes, lovely noses or dancing eyebrows would make me think otherwise. Where you look at a woman and think “she looks really nice, I wonder if she’s married”, I look and think “mmm..pretty, shame about the madness”. Of course, a crazy man that only covets married women cannot be expected to have the common sense of seeing the madness of women himself. I think their case is chronic but I pray that you get cured of yours, saaxib.

^^ That, to me, is one of the sights of H Town. A prison disgusing itself as a healing centre. You're lucky he didn't invite you spend a few nights with the mad people behind the closed gates. p.s. Your obsession with these married women. How do you know they're married? Is it age or are you one of those baskets that covet their friends' wives? For some reason, I am finding the idea of you being locked behind the healing centre's gates suddenly very appealing!

It's good to meet and get the clan onside. I see no problem with traditional meetings. Stumbling on a full bottle will not hurt you but a broken one is dangerous. Let the lions roar, says I. p.s. Guru, there are no secrets in Somali society, saaxib. This is normal stuff and can go hand in hand with external affairs.

First in. AGAIN!

Good stuff. Had to come from a Turk!

^^ Nudawn is not really interested in any of that. He's just in the mood for pledging, promising and stating his positions. When you gave him room to stretch out his ideas, he told you that you wrote a novel. Naga daaya dee.

Maaddeey;848063 wrote: Ng, can you talk about it from islamic point of view?. Norf, in what condition you would allow this to happen? No Islamic point of view applies when peace is not in place. Saca bi saca ya Maadeey.

^^ What clan is Fahima? I blame El Punto for all of this. Could he not ignore the small print and just play along with the (intended) 'good feel' factor of this thread?

Val, I think you misunderstood where I am heading with my questions here. I know that Khaatumo is only six months old and I do not have any criticisms regarding what has been achieved in those six months. To tell the truth and being, as it were, a “Somalidiid” such achievements are not things I would go out of my way to measure or appraise. I agree that it would be unfair to compare a six month Khaatumo to its counterparts when these others have had years to work on, improve and advance their states. However, when it comes to the media (and web based media at least) there is a level playground there. There is an abundance of partisan (and none partisan) websites on the net that cater for all clans, political persuasions and leanings. There is a wealth of writers that champion, criticise or waffle about their preferred regions and those they oppose. Many of these writers are very readable, even when they’re being clearly biased or extreme. Khaatumo, as far as I can see, only has the infamous Osman (and occasionally Ms Abdi). Yet, Khaatumo (like all other Somali administrations) has a massive following in the Diaspora. Surely, it stands to reason that it should (like all the others) have its own writers, lobbyists and publicists! I don’t take Khaatumo seriously because the faces of Khaatumo I am exposed to in the news (and in SOL) are Osman (and his crazy articles) or Liibaan and his weepy videos (or Ms Abdi and her reactionary twaddle, though she’s the most readable of the lot and most vexing for wasting that talent with her tabloid like nonsense). None prompt me to think this (Khaatumo) is something that will last. YOU need to do something about it, Malika does and all those Khatumites who you believe to be intelligent, grown up and able. And I don’t mean that you have to post it here on SOL (though you can if you like), I am talking about doing it in the Somali media as a whole. In fact, you wouldn’t even have to use your own name; A&T has monopolised WardheerNews by posting articles under several identities and every single one of them seems to have developed its own following (though Mukhtar and Marwa are the most popular).

^^ I did. As for the topic, there are far too many levels one could talk about it and discuss it (from an Islamic point of view, rubbish western media,"live and let live", etc, etc, etc). But the main one is the actual thing that took place. Ruffians with guns destroying buildings! The conditions are neither right nor reasonable for anyone to try to make allowances for them or their act. It's all wrong to begin with. Wax fahma.

Morning Faheema & Juxa. p.s. Faheema, did you learn to speak Arabic yet?

I couldn't go to sleep without coming back and saying that when you break off into two opposing sides, please count me in the group that does not include Norf, Maaddey or (for totally different reasons) El Punto.

A_Khadar;847859 wrote: Waryaa NG, this thread should be closed down or changed its title.. There is no such SSC organization any more.. It's like when your lot gets frustrated with the snm when others call them as such entity.. BTW, you wrote like your so called Guru Oodka, just long and many lines of out of reality, but yours at least sounded to me jokes if not to mention aimless.. However I only took this below paragraph from your above post as the only part with valid argument. Couple points to say about this however. First as you're an outsider of Khatumo's delivery, there are many concessions happened and trust me, it's being tried to united and bring every possible sane on board.. So those fell off were impossible to get them on board in this case XT being one of them.. However, your point of Xaglo shook hands with the enemy and its implications; I think one of your people addressed rightly about this so plz read it thorough from the link below. Sadly it’s written in Somali and hope you sharpened your Somali lately get the drift of who is insane here, your president or XT.. LINK Heh. Yaa saaxibi, I know that Xaglo is nothing here and even if he comes across with a couple of nomads who support him he will not change the situation itself (did you not see the granade gif I posted on the other thread?). This is about more than that warya. Saado is doing her job perfectly and singing for the crowds. The young fighters are putting their lives at risk for the cause. But what are the intellectuals of Khaatumo doing? Leaving it for Mr Osman to sing and wail about SL, PL or any he thinks are against Khaatumo? Fine, that's your Abdulaziz Al Mutairi sorted (or Shamsaddin Megalommatis, if you like) but where are the others? Why aren't they commenting on any of this? Like you say, the SSC movement is gone and now you have a state. But is it REALLy a state or just a simple reaction, no more and no less? If it is a state though, then maybe someone should do an SL and kill all divisions by inviting the Xaglo's of this world to set up parties (not the hotel kind) that are part of Khaatumo. Maybe instead of three presidents someone needs to tell them that four, five or six parties should swap power at regular intervals while the main and eternal aim of all remains that of a Khaatumo success, etc, etc, etc.... What if SL gives up and decides to cut its losses with anything Khaatumo? How long before a disgruntled Khatumite runs back to Siilaanyo because those back in Taleex refused him a job he had his eyes on? There has to be a plan that goes beyond SL; the crazy Al Shabab have their plans for Somalia if they should ever win, the ONLF have their plans for their part of the world should they ever win and SL itself has set up its own plans for the time when its recognised. What is Khaatumo doing? Where is it heading? And where are those that should be informing all its supporters of the dream, visions and ideas for the future of Khaatumo? This is serious stuff, Khadaro. This is why I take PL seriously but could never do the same with Khaatumo. p.s. My Somali reading is average enough to read most the guff found in Somali 'news' websites. But you're talking to the wrong guy about Xaglo; I really really don't care about his defection other than for the PR angle. Wax fahan.

^^ How did it go? Did you manage to control yourself? War orodo guurso oo ciyaalka cidhiidhiga ka daa

Lets cheer Val up here, people. The beauty of the shoe shiners I saw in H town (and I hope those in the Somali capital are the same) is that they sit under nobody's feet. The proud kids (beloved of Xaaji Xundjuf) take your shoes away, shine them and bring them back once they're done. (anyway, to look back on your life and say "I used to be a shoe shiner as a kid" is a million times better than spending a lifetime as a shoe shiner).

^^ I actually did. Adlington:

^^ In a race dee not when you're splashing about and calling it a 'swimathon' as I think Malika did. I mean she's not Rebbica Adlington, is she (or IS SHE?). p.s. I have not been in a pool for over twenty years.

^^ Again, I think Juxa would (probably) say: Mac sonkor. p.s. If swimming did that to you what would running and other forms of vigorous exercise do?

As foolish as Al Shabab.

^^ Adna ma jacayl baa ku haya? As Juxa would (probably) say if she spoke my broken Somali: "igala hadal maxa waaye?"

Every time you're about to sing "Faraskagi lagabadi", the riders tell you this was just a faras that can easily be replaced and that the race is still on. The problem here is not the leaders (for leaders can and do switch sides when given a free hand), the real problem are the supporters! It's all good and well to keep disagreements "in house" or not to wash your dirty linen in public but there has to come a point when one must hold his leaders accountable for their actions (or inaction). For example, this Xaglo fellow was a hero of the SSC movement who risked his name and reputation when he took over. In the good times, he was supported by all and sundry and was most patriotic and loyal to the cause. Yet, when the Khaatumo State was setup in January of this year, he was sidelined and his subsequent actions (now) show that he clearly held a grudge. But for a state that aims to unite the Khaatumo people, why wasn’t there anyone trying to placate the man and keep him on side? I mean, it is obvious that Khaatumo made many compromises in order to get many people to agree to unite under one state (three presidents’ stinks of such a compromise, not to mention the number of councils, etc). So why didn’t those that were happy to apply the crazy idea of THREE PRESIDENTS not shrewd enough to make it FOUR PRESIDNETS instead? Still, now that Xaglo shook hands with the “enemy”, how can the Khaatumo public feel comfortable with the three presidents of theirs? If the man that ran, bustled, antagonised and harried the SL administration in his time as leader of SSC is now happily drinking tea with Siilaanyo, what stops the opportunists in the Khaatumo nest from switching sides the minute they have a disagreement? I will tell you what will stop them (or at least what should). The Khaatumo supports should. Those that are collecting money from Ras Al Khaimah all the way to Reykjavik to pay for salaries and other governmental expenses should be the ones holding the KH administration to account. They should be the ones asking what efforts are being made to strengthen the union of the Khaatumo State and prevent further defections from taking place. They should be asking what has been achieved in the last six months and what the state hopes to achieve in the coming twelve months (in each president’s reign). You see, I really want to take Khaatumo seriously but nothing in what I saw (and see) encourages me to do so. The “intellectuals” of Khaatumo sit back and watch mad people (like that Osman person) speaking on their behalf and filling the net, written press and TV with emotional mumbo jumbo. Worse still, talented writers and commentators such as that Safi Abdi lady waste their time writing aimless articles about SL instead of helping to give life (in the written form at least) to the idea of Khaatumo. I don’t fail to spot the passion, dedication and total belief in the cause of course (only a blind man would) but, like with the dreamers of a greater Somalia, I find myself vexed by this wasted passion and directionless rage. Xaaji X and the guru defend, support and champion the idea of Somaliland yet they disagree on many things about the way SL is heading and, more recently, about its foreign policy and dealings with Somalia. The disagreements, criticisms and fallouts do not stop them from maintaining their support for an independent and foreign Somaliland. On the SSC front and in order for the state to mature, the cool heads there (and the mad ones) need to publicise the debates, ask the questions and suggest the solutions so that the narrative there shifts from the simplistic goal of “Somalidiid ma doonayno” to questions of what is needed, how it can be achieved and what progress has been made so far. If none of the above is done (as soon as possible) I am happy to wager that Khaatumo is not likely to be with us in months to come. The predicament continues (and it’s a predicament for both KH & SL).