I was hoping more people would share their sumad but maybe they don't know it

Haatu;958868 wrote: Safferz, you know I grew up near suuqa xoolaha back home and I go back every now and then when o holiday and spend time in the Wednesday market and I have NEVER noticed these sumads. Inattentive or what, right? lol LD It's okay Haatu, I learned about sumad quite recently too I think it's so intricate and fascinating, an ancient sign system.

My favourite animal is steak.

warsamaale;958817 wrote: What about you ? surely your privileged and can make the lifestyle change. Because I have no ethical issues with eating meat. Stay on topic

Our orality.

^^ veganism is a lifestyle choice made possible by class privilege and location dee, it would be impossible for Somalis to survive without animals. QansaxMeygaag;958808 wrote: Kkk. I don't know peoples' clans here except the ones who proudly volunteered!

Alpha Blondy;958776 wrote: that's a bit sick, ma istidhi? isn't that like incest? Hey, my ayeyo did this back in the day when my grandpa died :mad:

QansaxMeygaag;958740 wrote: Your clan sumad |.| is very close to my clan sumad; our sumad is |: . Would be interesting to find out if people of the same clan family (HAG, SAHAL, DM etc) have similar pattern sumads or if sumads are more regional e.g. people who settle in the same place regardless of clan family e.g. cow-white and p.u.n.t.i.t.e.s in Mudug or sujuu in NFD who are so mixed you don't know an longfoot from a dagoodi from g*a*r*r*e.... Are we of the same clan? My sumad is for my immediate reer, which is within 7 generations of me. I will have to ask about the others nearby, but from what I understand it's not uncommon to have a general clan sign with more specific additions to indicate sub clan/families. A neighbouring clan has a different sign, which is a cross.

I'm trying to learn more about these ancient insignias that appear as markings on camels to indicate clan/subclan ownership, so please share anything you know or images you come across. I asked my dad about our sumad, apparently it's called muta'andi (meto and, number 101 in Amharic) because it looks like 101 in Arabic - labo daadimood iyo shumi, two vertical lines with a dot in the centre. It will generally be branded on the leg or neck of the camel. Some subclans have circles and semi-circles, lines, dots or even a swoosh (or a combination of these). Sometimes they are referenced in poetry, and my dad gave me an example of one man's gabay where he details a marriage dispute between clans over one woman and tells other men to stay away from her as she (metaphorically) already bears their sumad. I haven't been able to find any information about this in a Somali context, but these old symbols also seem to be present amongst other pastoral, segmentary lineage societies. Here's a Turkana clan's camel (northwestern Kenya): Bedouin camel in Jordan: I've been looking for images of Somali camels with markings, and the best I could find is this photo I took near Berbera, with an R sign:

Season 6 of the Cosby Show was the BEST intro:

Alpha Blondy;958634 wrote: p.s - saffz enjoy it. i would gladly make a fool of my person to make you smile, especially after what you went through tonight. Alpha it made me laugh, thanks darling :D

Night Haatu Apophis;958612 wrote: So Alpha, tell us when you first realised you were a loser, and how you dealt with such a realisation? *leans in to listen, and grabs popcorn*

You have no taste, Haatu.

Haatu;958601 wrote: I'm sorry to be rude, but what a sh!t song. My goodness. It's only (objectively speaking) one of the greatest songs of the 2000s :mad:

Alpha Blondy;958588 wrote: crazy ads on SOL, y'all. My ads are sexist :mad:

Apophis;958599 wrote: You niggas need to chill the fck out. It's called cantrabagash corner for a reason, Am I right or what? It's feigned anger, I'm not mad

I can't get into it, sorry dear This is more my speed...

Haatu;958587 wrote: lol I don't think Alpha would appreciate you posting his photos here without permission.

You're on my sh*t list too Alphow :mad:

Apophis;958555 wrote: If you're shy then Saffz is a virgin:D:D

As a QJ chick also heading to the region for the summer as in past years, I have to break it to you Alphow that no one wants a deported dhaqan celis dude.

Toes;958262 wrote: Why did you put this under the Women category Why does a "women" sub-forum even exist?

Alpha Blondy;958524 wrote: ^ this song was originally sang by pink floyd ee sida uula soco. Alpha's rendition is a classic, still. its actually one of my favourite songs. thanks Saffz. you're trying very hard to be nice. i ought to reciprocate, ma istidhi? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I'm not "trying very hard to be nice," I'm ALWAYS nice... ee sida ula soco.

When my mom went back for the first time since 1988 last year, she found the city unrecognizable, and not in a good way.

Oodweyne;958345 wrote: Hello Abtigiis , Does that mean that the ONLF will soon do their intermittent change of direction and go into bed with the new regime, like they did back in 1991 ? After all, you do know, I gather, that after long and a bitter struggle in which the then Somali government had bankrupt itself in fighting the cause of western Somali peninsula, the leaders of your “long-footed-folks” have done a volte-face reversal of position in-terms of how they will proceed, politically, after the collapse of the Somali state in 1991 . Subsequently (and I am sure that you will remembered this) the elites of this “clan-family” thought that they can be a clever-by-half sort of folks who can benefit immensely, particularly were they to get into a “political bed” with new incoming regime of Mr Meles Zenawi in Ethiopia in and around 1991 . And to that end, they have “disavowed” any notion of them fighting for independence from Ethiopia, as was the case all through out existence of all of the various guises in which the "Somali western liberation movement” have assumed ever since Menelik’s era. Secondly, although, many Somali people were aghast with the thought and deeds of your folks in changing the central pillar of Somalis long-standing position towards the fate of this region under the Ethiopian’s rule, however, some thought, that perhaps a peaceful approach and fighting for a "nominally self-governing entity" within the expected Ethiopian’s federation of stated - under the victorious TPLF - may be a useful outcome for all concern. Unfortunately (as yet again, you will recall, painfully), there was no such thing that was on offer from the Zenawi side of things and he was basically playing you for the suckers he thought you guys were in believing his sweet-sounding-nonsense, when he in effect said: Stop-the-fighting and we will be a match made in heaven for each other. Thirdly, although to be fair to you in here, it seems that by early in 1994 , your folks have learned the trick he pulled on you, but still I was surprise to see in Addis-Ababa of that time many folks of your neck-of-the-wood, still debating whether they may be better off in throwing their lot with Zenawi against those who were dubious of what the TPLF were never-endingly promising. Hence, taking all of these "recurring let-downs" into consideration, my advice to you will be do not be another “cheap date” , who drop her silky garter along with the rest of her garments for a mere "promises" that may never be fulfilled, from the new leaders in the TPLF. Particularly during in the incoming peace talks between them and ONLF , till at least you see them delivering whatever they promise you in the ground before you commit yourself “ululating” , shamelessly (in Abdi Illley's style) for just another sweet-talking-Ethiopian's strongman with an advanced degree in conning (or scamming) a teeming “non-too-bright” gullible Somali folks. In other words, my solemn advice to you - and to the rest of the ONLF leadership - would be to assume that old notion of: “once bitten twice shy” sort of political dictum when you are dealing with the new Ethiopians regime and their promises of "new glasnost" or even “perestroika” towards the Somali issue under their control. http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com/