^^^LOOOOOOOOOOOl @ Shidh foqol shidh! lool I just pictured you as the old lady nxt door.! lol HAHA

^^^ARe you okay??? You've posted this before already dee! lol. Are you just wanted to make sure I got the point!. I did...never talk to "helpers" lol.

Looool Why are you watching Lily so closely. Lool @ CL is slow.

^^^Loool^^ Smith. Good luck, hope the event goes well and inshallah you'll all be rewarded for it.

^^^OH thanks. lol. What on earth is in Hert? My uni is sending us on a residential to the country side, it looks like it is going to rain all weekend though Still I guess I can catch up with sleep and swim.

I'm sure you did in one of my other threads...if it was not you, must have been someone else. :confused: Can't think of who though... I'm sure it was you.

^^^men look fab dressed up ma wali aa security guards wadiin? What happened to your perfect somali? and wat does this say?? I don't get it.

^^^I know, I know. and that was not the only reason. CHe: lol That's what I mean!

^^NGonge I think you showed me this before. lol Thanks though, again. Blessed: It seems a bit more extreme reaction that niqabies get within the general Muslim community. I agree with not being able to tell the difference when you visit historical religious places in the Middle East. As Adam said, traditions in transition. Blessed everyone was covered compared to now days. I respect them more than the dilated/washedout Christians/ Jews at least these ladies are trying to follow what the religion commanded rather than constantly changing and adapting to suit their needs. I admire their dedication and fundamentalism.

^^^I was not trying to take away her freedom to do as she wants. I just find it funny that she considers security guards as "helpers" loool, implying that as someone who has a better role, she should not mix/ talk with the helper, even though she clearly has something in common with them, i.e. both work in the same place, possible employed by the same employee. CL: They are going to have an opinion of you regardless of whether they talk to you or not. Lol. Knowing the security guards were walking around always made me feel better, specially when I worked late. I hate big buildings :eek: The cleaners even use to get me cards and presents for Christmas. I spoke more to them than some of my collogues. They always have interest stories about third world countries.

^^^So if he was not a security guard, he worked on a different floor would you speak with him. Is your issue that he is a security guard or that he is Somali. If he was not Somali (like your current security guard) do you offer him a smile, a nod, a hello when you catch his eye as you run in and out? If so, why did you feel that just because he was Somali he deserved less?? I don't get people who think that just because someone is Somali you should screw face them or noticeably ignore them. I mean come on, they are humans too. p.s. I'm just pulling your leg, don't mind me.

Looool @ Ngonge!!! CL you are sounding like a snob, stop acting like being a security guard is a disease. :rolleyes: They are perfectly respectable people who are not beneath anyone and least you can do is say hello to the person who is responsible for your safety. Next time some raving mad drunken attempts to get in to your building, you can take care of him yourself. I always say hello to sisters or give them a smile. If it is a guy, I’d say a verbal hello if he atheer (old man, 40+ looking), give a nod if under 40 but over 29, and avoid eye contact if they are under 29, if they insist by staring at you or speaking, just say hello. If he is a little kid, I’ll often chat with them, what you doing, your future plans, what do you wish to achieve etc, how will you get there. Obviously it depends on how much time you have and the situation. CL: Somali guys (most) are perfectly happy to say hello and continue with their business without trying to jump your bones. You should not judge them based on the few who hang around bus stops Same way I would not like to be judged by the few Somali girls that run around playing havoc with people and master in the art of shaqoolaan. Serenity guy is not somali btw

^^^You can't, I've protected all my female friends from perv eyes by placing all the guys on limited profile! lol. Try it, you cannot see my friends list. Lool HAHa sorry. She can invite you off my list if she wishes, the girls can see the guys. Lool No it is not Ngonge. I would not ask Ngone if he has seen my orgii let alone anything else.

^^^Who asked you?? me and her had a date, following the other event last weekend Ms DD, I went to a talk, and the shike said that those kind of events are Xaram, Xaram, Xaram. P.s. You are on my fb. I'll leave u a message. And put some pictures up! I hate having ppl with no pics on my friends list"

^^^No going out of town for a conference for the weekend. Sadly. Do let me know how it goes inshallah.

^^^What MS DD?? lol

^^lol YEs. Although not equally or for the same reasons or even in the same way. It would be lovely if one can pick all the things you love about both of them and form a new guy. won’t he just be the perfect guy…. No I guess not.

Women scurrying through the backstreets of a Middle Eastern city, the curves of their bodies covered in up to 10 layers of thick cloth and only their eyes visible to the outside world. But these women are not Muslims choosing to wrap themselves in full length niqabs or burqas, these are a small group of ultra-Orthodox Jewish women in Israel who have taken to wearing quite possibly one of the most austere forms of "Jewish hijab" available. Modesty among some strictly Orthodox women can now mean wearing 10 skirts and seven robes. By Michal Levertov in Tel Aviv A new ultra-modest fashion among some strictly Orthodox Israelis, in which women wear several layers of skirts, robes, scarves and veils and avoid talking to men other than their husbands, is creating a storm of controversy among the country's religious communities. The unofficial leader of the trend, often practised in defiance of husbands and in the face of rabbinical reluctance, is Bruria Keren, who lives in Ramat Beit Shemesh, an strictly Orthodox neighbourhood south-west of Jerusalem . In a rare interview, Mrs Keren recently told the Ma'ariv newspaper: "The Holy Mothers and the women of Jerusalem used to wrap their bodies and to hide their faces. It is even written in the Torah that Tamar did not see the face of Judah since she was covered. "The Torah does not change. The body should be concealed so its shape won't be seen. The face and the body-shape of a woman might be an obstacle to men. The more layers of clothes, the women's modesty is higher regarded." Rebbetzin Keren, a mother-of-ten and a practitioner of alternative medicine, devotes much of her time to silence and prayer, but is also a charismatic preacher to her growing flock. Her outfit consists of 10 thick skirts, seven long robes, five kerchiefs knotted at the chin, three knotted at the back of the head, and her face hidden behind a knitted linen veil. The whole costume is covered head-to-toe by several thin shawls. According to Maariv, Rebbetzin Keren's community consists of about 50 followers in Beit Shemesh, 70 in Jerusalem , and dozens more in Safed and in the Orthodox settlements of Beitar Illit and Elad. But such extreme devotion does not appeal to the Orthodox establishment, in spite of its own support for tzniut, or modesty. According to the Ha'aretz newspaper, the Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem forced a couple to a divorce — even though the husband appealed for a matrimonial reconciliation — because the woman was totally covered by a veil. They also awarded custody to the husband, in spite of his wife's complaints of violence, and issued a warrant for a psychiatric examination for her. One of Mrs Keren's closest disciples, a convert to Judaism known only as Anne, told Ma'ariv she hopes "that men will demand that their wives would wear the robes and the veil. That in a few years all the men in the Orthodox public would discover the sweetness of the clothes' layers and the modesty that is behind the veil." The women apparently do not feel any solidarity with their Muslim counterparts. Another follower interviewed by the newspaper, Miriam, 32, said: "People are asking: 'Who is it? A Muslim? An Arab?' But there are people in the Orthodox public who insult us, and that hurts us most. Only an Orthodox person knows what an insult it is for a woman to be told that she's a Christian or an Arab." Professor Tamar Elor, a scholar of Charedi society at Jerusalem 's Hebrew University , told the JC that there was a strong element of feminine defiance in the phenomenon. "The decision over the modesty issue, and obsessive discussion about the body, was all in the hands of the rabbis. "And here, the women took over it and brought it to the edge, just like a former trend in which women gave birth to more children than their spouse wanted. "It's as if they say, 'If that's my expertise — I'll excel at it'. Thus, they move the power to their own hands". ----------- After reading couple of articles in JC News, I found few interesting points there. 1- This is a religious movement leading by a woman. 2- Apparently, these ladies have many children. Again, according to the same articles, it seems it is one of their holy goals. 3- They cover themselves secure and avoid direct contact with other men. 4- What I found ironic is that many people of their greater communities (Orthodox and moderate Jewish) somehow look down to them. Even in extreme cases consider them as mentally extremely disturb. However, it seems to me that these ladies are making a social/political statement i.e. a protestation against their larger community concept of womanhood. Unfortunately, it maybe true, many men by instinct or whatever reason, in depth of their mind consider woman as a commodity, someone that should be kept hidden at home doing the housework, bringing up and taking care of children, etc.

^^^Loooool. HAHAHa. Adam I love this idea. HAHAHa MAdame Ceeb! lol. 2020, maybe too soon dear

A stable Kenya is good for Africa as whole and the economic development of East Africa.... That and the fact I need a home close to home. FB: Kenyans had more to lose than Somali's, from what I understand most of the ones creating the civil unrest hadaab were the shaqaalaan youngsters in the slums and those seeking revenge for wars centuries ago. The majority of Kenyans just wanted to get on with live. Malika better I do it than anyone else. I agree with Xiin on that.

I have a problem with the so called shikes that brainwash these little kids. They are misguided and the tactics they use are not Islamic. The real criminal is the one who twists the deen to get young boys as young as 13/ 14 to committee murder., blow themselves up or innocent civilians. In saying that desperate situations leads people into desperate actions. If the Ethiopians were not there, there would’ve been no reason/ common ground to unite them. Ultimitley the blame and responsibility must be bored by those who created the situation and environment to allow these idologies to flourish. Without these conditions, there would’ve been no Al Shabab. I don't know the old man or who/ what he was: so may allah reward him for that which he did which was good..

^^^^African countries/leaders were not as mature in the 90's as they are now. They did not have the capacity to deal with the madness that was and is Somalia. Kenyan's and Somali clan structure differ, although both have always had inter clan wars, Somalis are on a level of their own. I’m glade Kenya is not joining in the chaos that is horn. Malika the AU was and still is useless and ineffective.

^^^Loool. HAHa. Serenity; I just remembered something you told me previously about asking for advise. lol. Damn I wasted 10mins writing that, if only I had remembered it hadeerto.

Hi Serenity: He is wrong to throw a huff, as I assume he use to see you without your masar before last week. Just tell the truth: Brother I'm not making a mockery of Islam and the Hijab, but I'm still working on it. I would appreciate it if you do not judge me and let me do it in my own time. After all I'm sure he would rather you wore it for the right reasons, in addition surely he has his own short comings (in his Islamic practice) which he would not like if you highlighted it. In any case if he has a role (if any to play in this) it is to encourage you, not scare you into hiding and running from him. It is not fair on you that you may have to avoid wearing it to work again unless you are 100% sure you will keep it on, just to avoid him throwing a huff. Religious practice is one these personal things which depending on your level of Iman is continuously changing, it is hard enough as it is with out someone looking at you disapprovingly every time you work in and out of work. I know you said you don't want to explain yourself, so keep it simple. I don't think you should lie about your intentions. Thats in 2cents, hope it helps.

^^^They say two wrongs don't make it right. Both problems stem from the same root, sloving one will slove the other. :cool: Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood: Africans in AFRICA are facing racism from white folks in Africa! The nerve of some people... Couldn't they just bundle them up in ropes and roast them on a brazier! Qaadow.