Also it would be scary if it was their 20th Police Force!!!

Originally Posted by Mintid Farayar Ibtisam, What you don't understand is that 'for some people, their family history started with M. Siyad Barre!' Lol, have you noticed that too. Cajib! Classified;984242 wrote: Lol, have you noticed that too. Cajib! Sorry must have missed THAT particular Memo!!! Okay, as you were then.

Is that what you thought? Oh, I am sorry kiddo- it is not my role to convince you or educate you- I am a nontraditional Ayeeyo but of course in this age of connectivity and internet it is already on a platter for you if you seek it. Now stop being xasiid and say congratulations to the Police Force- haadii kale maxaa kaga shan iyo tooban aha their uniform iyo afaraha? :confused:

Horta- why do people thinking that if they add "lol" at the end of the sentence it makes it funny or less... well silly! lol Police uniforms are generically similarly globally and mostly designed to suit regional weather conditions- there is nothign unique about them. How often do you see purple, yellow or pink uniforms. P.s.s. Also the uniform existed before Siad Barre- I have seen pictures before his little dictatorship. lets not pretend Somali history started with him. Will cusb: Thanks for posting them

Che- I dont like preachers- all of them- even those who have the same views as me, let alone ones I disagree with. In any case I think our people need constructive and basic Islamic education- not propaganda material. I said the same thing about the Egyptian Library opening in Hargeisa- they have stocked it only with books in Arabic for starts, and then the books are all about Egypt and how great Egyptians are- how does this benefit us as Somalis? I would not even mine if it was Arabic perception of the world, early sciences or something a little wider than just Egyptian civilization. I understand why they want to open it, but I dont understand Somaliiad ka dabo ordeysa and advocating for them maxaa uga shan iyo tooban aha? I asked their Somali counter part and his response was Egypt was so great that everyone should read about it- yes as leisure but how can you argue that it is a Somali natural priority to read about Egypt.

Some images from today's Somaliland Police Force 20th Anniversary. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYJViV4CUAAeHE0.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYJU_0rCAAAIYSJ.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYJUt8XIAAAT1_z.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYJUY24CUAAJyhD.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYJEuVLIEAAMBph.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYJVVmlCAAApl42.jpg:large Can't get the picture to show but you can follow the link.

This should worry Somali people. Last time I saw a delegation from Iran in Somaliland they were looking for a translating team to translate religious books into Somali- the books were basically propaganda for their history and religion- 100s of books. I know some greedy people who will take that contract despite the impact and confusion it can cause Somali people. We should have a problem with any group whose soul intention is to influence people's believe- even those sunni Muslim from Qatar or anywhere else. Wiix diin loo bahayanhey we can pick and choose what to translate or teach- laakin some group dumping an ideology or 100s of books, should be a no no.

There are no less than 3 vocational and technical education schools in Hargeisa, and then one in each of the four main cities-

^^^^ Loool Sii dhacad aha baan uu qosley. Actually they requested an invite- and it was extended by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Mayor- there is a large Somaliland population in Finland and they have started many developmental projects in Somaliland. Also the MP/councilor for Turku is Somaliland national Roda Hassan- and she is always bringing Finnish politicians to Somaliland- this would be her 3rd visit to the country this year. Today they are swimming in Berbera and checking out the port.

She was working with APD, and IMF forced Hassan Shiekh to hire her. I think it was a bit silly of her to think she can fix such dysfunctional entity but good on her. It is not like the STFG has any power about who they can appoint for what- waa loo dictate garaey like everything else. And they said Welcome, you can do what you like, dont even tell us, just do it. IT also means who ever is appointed next and takes the job is effectively agreeing to breaking laws and corruption. In her letter she names the president as the direct source of the pressure- not even a aid or minister.

How is this guy still Mayor? If it was in the UK he would've resigned already or been forced out- we have seen some leaving for much less! Indho adge,com

Khadafi: I understand what you are saying but I left that in large part he was agreeing with what you said: which is punishment is a consequence rather than just for the sake of punishment. Saff: learn to ignore randomness- the obsession will pass His argument is not a new argument, but historically those who started off on the same path have unfortunately went too far; for example during the Abbasi period, estimated to around 3rd century Hijra, in Iraq, Baghdad, liberal thinkers who had similar ideas as Aristotle became known as Mu’tazilite- they argued that Godly revelations and rules were abstract and largely symbolic rather than concrete things. Anyway their ideas finally gave birth to the idea of passiveness n Islam. So there is this tendency to lean towards passiveness if this through is proceed too far down. But what resonates with me is the lack of balance in good and bad, in reward and punishment and so on. I think the tendency is to be one extreme side or the other and that is what I was getting at. Johnny: I was right then and I am right now- little girls need to understand why they are wearing the hijab- they dont need to fear going to hell as a 6yr old but of the mercy of allah and the beauty of the hijab. P.s. I dont see the point of standing around threads you have not intention of commenting on constructively. We should grow up from random comments and ciyaal suuqnimo

North: SOL does not like the link for some reason. Here it is again: http://en.qantara.de/content/interview-with-mouhanad-khorchide-god-is-not-a-dictator

Mouhanad Khorchide ''God Is Not A Dictator'' I read this interesting article this morning, and although primarily an attack on the Salafi's and his experience of them while in KSA, I find some of his answers echo some of the things discussed at a another thread. Of course, you can never agree with all of his answers, but I noticed in Somaliland and in the Asian community, FEAR (without reason) is the central theme that kid are taught in madrass- to the extent that some kids grow up fearing God, like the Qorismaris or the caws iyo biyo cuuno stories our parents use to terrify us with. I also find it disturbing that parents and often mothers, use fear of God as a method to control their kids behaviour, for example you can tell your 5year old, dont lie, it is bad etc but instead we say "you are going to hell if you lie" (both incorrect and kids inability to understand this). At the same time kids dont get the opposite narrative or reward for their good actions thereby distorting the relationship they would've had with their maker. Anyway I hope you guys enjoy reading outside the box- if you dont iminkaba ha isku furiin. About the Liberal Muslims he says: "Khorchide: They also reduce Islam in a similar way to the fundamentalists. The fundamentalists hollow it out, by focussing on the façade, on outward features. The liberals provide a radical response by dispensing with almost all outward features and rituals and limiting it to the shahada, the declaration of belief. That's not enough. The shahada must find its expression in life."' http://en.qantara.de/content/intervi...not-a-dictator

Salaax you are trying to hide behind refugees who often want and need something from the state or even public, and therefore require planning and resources- which Somaliland needs to develop. Somaliland citizens are refugees and now citizens of many places, the least we could do is afford other under previliaged ones the same option we got, if and when the state has more, it should take more interest and resources in to them. IF we abuse the weakest in the society, then as a society we deserve everything to go wrong, and although you and others like you might be unjust, Allah is not unjust. Refugee issue aside I already said this "But dont confuse refugees with children of wealthy and often educated Somali mothers- who might add something to Somaliland and dont need nothing from a nation that cant even feed its own." Naga daa dee you just want wax kula hadla. I know you understand this and know the argument you are making is bother illogical, racist and damaging to Somaliland as a society. The Qaxoonti society dont want any Qaxoonti or foreigners ya ka maqlaaya. And with such large Diaspora community know well into their 3rd generation, mixed race Somali are very much a reality. Che, Alshabab age of being predominately Notherners ended with sometime ago- There has been no new demographic information on them but yes the elusive leader we disown. We exchanged the ones who left with few foreigners- who replaced them in society and are better and hard working citizens now. AP: You are a spy/snitch accusation flowing from street,to government to forums- What is the new obsession with spies? No women, no drive. lol i love this

Salaax which is wrong and nothing to be proud of- that is how you make unnecessary enemies out of normal law abiding citizens. I see you agreed with the rest of my post, if silently (which is the closes that a farah can do to admit to be wrong) Good evening to you all.

The legitimacy is given by the governing authority, who are given their authority by the people. I can't believe you compared terrorist suspects to people getting citizenship :eek:

Apophis;983170 wrote: People are confusing S/L state citizenship and Somali lineage.There's no doubt anyone can get S/L citizenship (through paying money or having connections). But one cannot acquire Somali (the tribe) identity without having a Somali father. No, one disagrees that they wont have a tribe- it is that they have: - No claims to Somali or Somaliland - That they cannot have citizenship or live there That is what we are disagreeing- the logic is if I can buy or earn citizenship then what does it matter if I dont have a clan. Salaax I already said Somaliland from time to time wrongly attacks refugees- and my views of this is well known- for a country where even our president has been a political refugee, it is shameful we do this. But dont confuse refugees with children of wealthy and often educated Somali mothers- who might add something to Somaliland and dont need nothing from a nation that cant even feed its own. The Las Anod example is criminality, any criminal has no rights and no place(well maybe prison)

Accepted by who? which high authority can dominate and be handing out this acceptance or telling who marry none Somalis to stay away? What right or authority do you have to enforce that- besides saying it on forums- none Lool I go to Somaliland for a holiday. Okay Mr. Know It All from your holiday. I cant be bothered to burst this bloated sense of importance and dream that somehow there is order and authority beyond what your money and connection can buy you in the Somali context. My kids are not anymore disadvantaged just because their father happens to Something other than Somali, IF I am and I want to be a participating member of that society. Of course if they dont speak Somali and never seen the place but how is that any different to a all the daqan celis kids struggling? Now you sound like a Zionist- Somaliland is a safe homeland for Somaliland- No Somaliland is safe for everyone and it is home to he who wishes it to be its home and remains as a contributing member of that society- including some who neither parents are Somali. There is debate about whether this should be extended to refugees who are 3rd 4th generations living here including the Oromos (and they should be allowed to like we've been allowed to in our host countries). But for the privileged make no mistake, being Somali or having a Somali nationality (papers) is a matter of money and connections. If you dispute that, then clearly you are too far down the food chain to know that in Somaliland anything is possible. IF you dont know ha iis ceebeynin ask Jaclybro. There is nothing worse in life than being a racist refugee demanding rights in their host country but trying to dictate that such rights should not be possible in their home country. Please. Beyond that is I can understand if Somaliland or Somalia was some successful world superpower and we needed to be protective about nationality, citizenship etc- but really at its current state, which none Somali or unconnected person wants to come here? is it even an issue? I dont think so. Somali Somalis are running away from this place, drowning in their thousands to get away from here- and you want to debate about letting people in or who can claim to be Somali! Bottom line- people can marry who they like, and they do, and they go and live and visit wherever their passport and money is accepted. The rest is determined by the language skills, education and resources.

Saalax;983058 wrote: Ibtisam That is false. Maybe your talking about some white girls, but no one likes a foreigner men coming to their land. Ask the racism Nimcaan Bowden faced a so called white born to a Somaliland woman about 22 years ago . He now wishes to leave Somaliland to a different country because the discrimination he faced. So don't sell people false dreams that aren't there but the reality, the locals if they see anybody with a different color than the usual Somalilanders who don't belong to them they start to bully them. So if the whites are facing racism, do you think Nigerians and Bengalis will be welcomed Lol? Riiyo baad ku noshahay Ibtisaam, they will be called curry eaters and adoon. You don't know our people back home well, we all know how Oromos are already treated and deported daily. The locals are more ok with other people visiting their country but not integration into their society , the whole Somaliland citizenship is anti integration from other non Somaliland communities. They even discriminate against other non Somaliland Somalis and here Ibtisam is trying to convince us they will accept Bengalis and Nigerians in their society Lool. Let's be realistic. Salaax unless there is a different Somaliland, I live and have lived here for coming up to three years in March inshallah. And no, It is nothing like we think in forums. But hey you can find out the hard way yourself- As for Naiman- the man wants a passport and doof, in fact he is entitled to it as a dual citizen. What he says in his application and camapign is not a reality. I am sure when you claimed asluym you probably told a few lies, heck who knows maybe waxaad ku dhiibantahey mid*gaan, shanshi or some other minority. I even know Somalis who claim to be gay and persecuted despite being married with kids and not gay. So weak example. Anyway laters boys, haa idiin macaantu- but know Somaliland is open for everyone- equally.

Rahima, sometimes I can't decide halgaan ma adults baa miis post teenage angry baa guubaya. Salaax and Hawdian: no not traditional welcome (war has made people hostile in any case), they are practically worshiped- you know why? because there is a deep seated unconscious complex obsessiveness Somali's have with beauty and our love for everything NEW- at least till the novelty wears off by then they will be best placed in society (afforded by their background, neutrality in clan, education- compared to local population) to fend for themselves and govern the likes of you who return in old age from the west. That is the reality. Weligaab angry posts on SOL ku qor. While you are proclaiming faith with your lips, be careful to have it even more in your heart- waxaan aad ku walaanteen yaan jar ka tuurin.

It already happens and those kids freely roam Somaliland while you guys theories and foam at the mouth in the west. Bacaaaaaaaac ya wax iindiin weydinaya.

Why is it even so important whether they are Somali or not- it is not like the Somali race will miss them. My children are mine- it is irrelevant to me what race they are so long as they are good muslims, human being, healthy, and good to their parents, could contribute to a better world in their limited capacity. The rest is just fluffy decoration. Who knows maybe those kids will marry a Somali or another foreigner and some generations down the line they will either become as Somali as me and you, or as Bengali as their grandfather. But so long as they maintain their religion any parent would be proud. DoctorKenny- regardless of race or ethnicity- it is the mans role and responsibility to provide his wife with a home, car, clothes, food and anything else she may require- to the same standard she was use to- THAT his god given responsibility. Unless of course uu markii horebaa gidaarka ka kaxeystey. Any man who does not waxba ka dhiman his manhood- it is not a bargain or something to aspire to. That aside- the double standard you speak of few and far in between.

Pakistani and most Asian women are expected to PAY for a husband- hence why Somali men are an easy option for them. Lol now we are discussing the payment for women, imissa ayaad ku iibsaan- what is the right price for a human being marka horeyaba? Who or what determines that price. And finally if something is priceless i.e. a human being how can you talk about cheap and expensive. The mehr is not something to haggle about nor is it connected to the worth of the said women. I have seen many women who after considering the condition of their chosen man ask for a token mehr or something within the capacity of the husband. I think this attitude that the mehr BUYS you a women is probably why are you are so upset- after all if you can buy an apple for $1, no one wants to pay $10. Dedicated to the crying SOL boys from the foreign men's who married Somali women.

Hawdian;982752 wrote: I Really Doubt You Know anything about Sheikh S. Raage or His private Life . Another thing Its quit Weak on your part that you going for the Personal Attack Even When I did Warn you before I posted the Article. "Left his children #WTF???? What Sheikh Saaceed Raage Said waa ruun ,, He was the Imam Whom the "Couple" asked to do the Maheer@utuubka. . Maarkaas Isweeydiinto Waxe Weey Guurmeen Daadkeeyno Fahmaanyaan Raagi waa Raag amba hA noqdo Cadaan,Amba Maoodow ee Dooro Qof Naftada ku Fcn oo inn badan islaa noolaanee kartaan oo iska daaya waxa sharaf laa,,aanta* oooh ah maanta waxan guursanya abu habel aroorta abu Shyadan *= ummada oo dhan maaxa waa iinn tiiraa yaar . Note: Ruuntu Weey AdagteeY oo waa Qadhaadh laakin waa daawuu. . Oh I am Sorry is the truth of your idol painful? As you said truth is painful. I know his Somali kids well, probably better than he does.- Ask him if you think I'm lying. He was obsessed with marrying a white revert- So whatever else he can lecture people on, I refused for him to preach me about cadaan cabuud. The frigging cheek. It is irrelevant whether this case is true- in fact it might well be true- so what? Can I use his own specific case to say most of our Somali brothers are leaving Somali sisters or marrying white women? I didnt think so. Also he gave that talk in Hargeisa- other than making his audience laugh and making a mockery of Somali sisters- what point did this achieve? Is the risk in Hargeisa greater? IF you are going to idolize someone- you should probably find out what you can about them so you are not shocked. May god bless him for his contributions and good deeds and forgive him for his misgiving, laakin on this topic, the man is chatting breeez, people in glass houses should not throw stones- especially in Hargeisa.