She was working with APD, and IMF forced Hassan Shiekh to hire her. I think it was a bit silly of her to think she can fix such dysfunctional entity but good on her. It is not like the STFG has any power about who they can appoint for what- waa loo dictate garaey like everything else. And they said Welcome, you can do what you like, dont even tell us, just do it. IT also means who ever is appointed next and takes the job is effectively agreeing to breaking laws and corruption. In her letter she names the president as the direct source of the pressure- not even a aid or minister.

How is this guy still Mayor? If it was in the UK he would've resigned already or been forced out- we have seen some leaving for much less! Indho adge,com

Khadafi: I understand what you are saying but I left that in large part he was agreeing with what you said: which is punishment is a consequence rather than just for the sake of punishment. Saff: learn to ignore randomness- the obsession will pass His argument is not a new argument, but historically those who started off on the same path have unfortunately went too far; for example during the Abbasi period, estimated to around 3rd century Hijra, in Iraq, Baghdad, liberal thinkers who had similar ideas as Aristotle became known as Mu’tazilite- they argued that Godly revelations and rules were abstract and largely symbolic rather than concrete things. Anyway their ideas finally gave birth to the idea of passiveness n Islam. So there is this tendency to lean towards passiveness if this through is proceed too far down. But what resonates with me is the lack of balance in good and bad, in reward and punishment and so on. I think the tendency is to be one extreme side or the other and that is what I was getting at. Johnny: I was right then and I am right now- little girls need to understand why they are wearing the hijab- they dont need to fear going to hell as a 6yr old but of the mercy of allah and the beauty of the hijab. P.s. I dont see the point of standing around threads you have not intention of commenting on constructively. We should grow up from random comments and ciyaal suuqnimo

North: SOL does not like the link for some reason. Here it is again: http://en.qantara.de/content/interview-with-mouhanad-khorchide-god-is-not-a-dictator

Mouhanad Khorchide ''God Is Not A Dictator'' I read this interesting article this morning, and although primarily an attack on the Salafi's and his experience of them while in KSA, I find some of his answers echo some of the things discussed at a another thread. Of course, you can never agree with all of his answers, but I noticed in Somaliland and in the Asian community, FEAR (without reason) is the central theme that kid are taught in madrass- to the extent that some kids grow up fearing God, like the Qorismaris or the caws iyo biyo cuuno stories our parents use to terrify us with. I also find it disturbing that parents and often mothers, use fear of God as a method to control their kids behaviour, for example you can tell your 5year old, dont lie, it is bad etc but instead we say "you are going to hell if you lie" (both incorrect and kids inability to understand this). At the same time kids dont get the opposite narrative or reward for their good actions thereby distorting the relationship they would've had with their maker. Anyway I hope you guys enjoy reading outside the box- if you dont iminkaba ha isku furiin. About the Liberal Muslims he says: "Khorchide: They also reduce Islam in a similar way to the fundamentalists. The fundamentalists hollow it out, by focussing on the façade, on outward features. The liberals provide a radical response by dispensing with almost all outward features and rituals and limiting it to the shahada, the declaration of belief. That's not enough. The shahada must find its expression in life."' http://en.qantara.de/content/intervi...not-a-dictator

Salaax you are trying to hide behind refugees who often want and need something from the state or even public, and therefore require planning and resources- which Somaliland needs to develop. Somaliland citizens are refugees and now citizens of many places, the least we could do is afford other under previliaged ones the same option we got, if and when the state has more, it should take more interest and resources in to them. IF we abuse the weakest in the society, then as a society we deserve everything to go wrong, and although you and others like you might be unjust, Allah is not unjust. Refugee issue aside I already said this "But dont confuse refugees with children of wealthy and often educated Somali mothers- who might add something to Somaliland and dont need nothing from a nation that cant even feed its own." Naga daa dee you just want wax kula hadla. I know you understand this and know the argument you are making is bother illogical, racist and damaging to Somaliland as a society. The Qaxoonti society dont want any Qaxoonti or foreigners ya ka maqlaaya. And with such large Diaspora community know well into their 3rd generation, mixed race Somali are very much a reality. Che, Alshabab age of being predominately Notherners ended with sometime ago- There has been no new demographic information on them but yes the elusive leader we disown. We exchanged the ones who left with few foreigners- who replaced them in society and are better and hard working citizens now. AP: You are a spy/snitch accusation flowing from street,to government to forums- What is the new obsession with spies? No women, no drive. lol i love this

Salaax which is wrong and nothing to be proud of- that is how you make unnecessary enemies out of normal law abiding citizens. I see you agreed with the rest of my post, if silently (which is the closes that a farah can do to admit to be wrong) Good evening to you all.

The legitimacy is given by the governing authority, who are given their authority by the people. I can't believe you compared terrorist suspects to people getting citizenship :eek:

Apophis;983170 wrote: People are confusing S/L state citizenship and Somali lineage.There's no doubt anyone can get S/L citizenship (through paying money or having connections). But one cannot acquire Somali (the tribe) identity without having a Somali father. No, one disagrees that they wont have a tribe- it is that they have: - No claims to Somali or Somaliland - That they cannot have citizenship or live there That is what we are disagreeing- the logic is if I can buy or earn citizenship then what does it matter if I dont have a clan. Salaax I already said Somaliland from time to time wrongly attacks refugees- and my views of this is well known- for a country where even our president has been a political refugee, it is shameful we do this. But dont confuse refugees with children of wealthy and often educated Somali mothers- who might add something to Somaliland and dont need nothing from a nation that cant even feed its own. The Las Anod example is criminality, any criminal has no rights and no place(well maybe prison)

Accepted by who? which high authority can dominate and be handing out this acceptance or telling who marry none Somalis to stay away? What right or authority do you have to enforce that- besides saying it on forums- none Lool I go to Somaliland for a holiday. Okay Mr. Know It All from your holiday. I cant be bothered to burst this bloated sense of importance and dream that somehow there is order and authority beyond what your money and connection can buy you in the Somali context. My kids are not anymore disadvantaged just because their father happens to Something other than Somali, IF I am and I want to be a participating member of that society. Of course if they dont speak Somali and never seen the place but how is that any different to a all the daqan celis kids struggling? Now you sound like a Zionist- Somaliland is a safe homeland for Somaliland- No Somaliland is safe for everyone and it is home to he who wishes it to be its home and remains as a contributing member of that society- including some who neither parents are Somali. There is debate about whether this should be extended to refugees who are 3rd 4th generations living here including the Oromos (and they should be allowed to like we've been allowed to in our host countries). But for the privileged make no mistake, being Somali or having a Somali nationality (papers) is a matter of money and connections. If you dispute that, then clearly you are too far down the food chain to know that in Somaliland anything is possible. IF you dont know ha iis ceebeynin ask Jaclybro. There is nothing worse in life than being a racist refugee demanding rights in their host country but trying to dictate that such rights should not be possible in their home country. Please. Beyond that is I can understand if Somaliland or Somalia was some successful world superpower and we needed to be protective about nationality, citizenship etc- but really at its current state, which none Somali or unconnected person wants to come here? is it even an issue? I dont think so. Somali Somalis are running away from this place, drowning in their thousands to get away from here- and you want to debate about letting people in or who can claim to be Somali! Bottom line- people can marry who they like, and they do, and they go and live and visit wherever their passport and money is accepted. The rest is determined by the language skills, education and resources.

Saalax;983058 wrote: Ibtisam That is false. Maybe your talking about some white girls, but no one likes a foreigner men coming to their land. Ask the racism Nimcaan Bowden faced a so called white born to a Somaliland woman about 22 years ago . He now wishes to leave Somaliland to a different country because the discrimination he faced. So don't sell people false dreams that aren't there but the reality, the locals if they see anybody with a different color than the usual Somalilanders who don't belong to them they start to bully them. So if the whites are facing racism, do you think Nigerians and Bengalis will be welcomed Lol? Riiyo baad ku noshahay Ibtisaam, they will be called curry eaters and adoon. You don't know our people back home well, we all know how Oromos are already treated and deported daily. The locals are more ok with other people visiting their country but not integration into their society , the whole Somaliland citizenship is anti integration from other non Somaliland communities. They even discriminate against other non Somaliland Somalis and here Ibtisam is trying to convince us they will accept Bengalis and Nigerians in their society Lool. Let's be realistic. Salaax unless there is a different Somaliland, I live and have lived here for coming up to three years in March inshallah. And no, It is nothing like we think in forums. But hey you can find out the hard way yourself- As for Naiman- the man wants a passport and doof, in fact he is entitled to it as a dual citizen. What he says in his application and camapign is not a reality. I am sure when you claimed asluym you probably told a few lies, heck who knows maybe waxaad ku dhiibantahey mid*gaan, shanshi or some other minority. I even know Somalis who claim to be gay and persecuted despite being married with kids and not gay. So weak example. Anyway laters boys, haa idiin macaantu- but know Somaliland is open for everyone- equally.

Rahima, sometimes I can't decide halgaan ma adults baa miis post teenage angry baa guubaya. Salaax and Hawdian: no not traditional welcome (war has made people hostile in any case), they are practically worshiped- you know why? because there is a deep seated unconscious complex obsessiveness Somali's have with beauty and our love for everything NEW- at least till the novelty wears off by then they will be best placed in society (afforded by their background, neutrality in clan, education- compared to local population) to fend for themselves and govern the likes of you who return in old age from the west. That is the reality. Weligaab angry posts on SOL ku qor. While you are proclaiming faith with your lips, be careful to have it even more in your heart- waxaan aad ku walaanteen yaan jar ka tuurin.

It already happens and those kids freely roam Somaliland while you guys theories and foam at the mouth in the west. Bacaaaaaaaac ya wax iindiin weydinaya.

Why is it even so important whether they are Somali or not- it is not like the Somali race will miss them. My children are mine- it is irrelevant to me what race they are so long as they are good muslims, human being, healthy, and good to their parents, could contribute to a better world in their limited capacity. The rest is just fluffy decoration. Who knows maybe those kids will marry a Somali or another foreigner and some generations down the line they will either become as Somali as me and you, or as Bengali as their grandfather. But so long as they maintain their religion any parent would be proud. DoctorKenny- regardless of race or ethnicity- it is the mans role and responsibility to provide his wife with a home, car, clothes, food and anything else she may require- to the same standard she was use to- THAT his god given responsibility. Unless of course uu markii horebaa gidaarka ka kaxeystey. Any man who does not waxba ka dhiman his manhood- it is not a bargain or something to aspire to. That aside- the double standard you speak of few and far in between.

Pakistani and most Asian women are expected to PAY for a husband- hence why Somali men are an easy option for them. Lol now we are discussing the payment for women, imissa ayaad ku iibsaan- what is the right price for a human being marka horeyaba? Who or what determines that price. And finally if something is priceless i.e. a human being how can you talk about cheap and expensive. The mehr is not something to haggle about nor is it connected to the worth of the said women. I have seen many women who after considering the condition of their chosen man ask for a token mehr or something within the capacity of the husband. I think this attitude that the mehr BUYS you a women is probably why are you are so upset- after all if you can buy an apple for $1, no one wants to pay $10. Dedicated to the crying SOL boys from the foreign men's who married Somali women.

Hawdian;982752 wrote: I Really Doubt You Know anything about Sheikh S. Raage or His private Life . Another thing Its quit Weak on your part that you going for the Personal Attack Even When I did Warn you before I posted the Article. "Left his children #WTF???? What Sheikh Saaceed Raage Said waa ruun ,, He was the Imam Whom the "Couple" asked to do the Maheer@utuubka. . Maarkaas Isweeydiinto Waxe Weey Guurmeen Daadkeeyno Fahmaanyaan Raagi waa Raag amba hA noqdo Cadaan,Amba Maoodow ee Dooro Qof Naftada ku Fcn oo inn badan islaa noolaanee kartaan oo iska daaya waxa sharaf laa,,aanta* oooh ah maanta waxan guursanya abu habel aroorta abu Shyadan *= ummada oo dhan maaxa waa iinn tiiraa yaar . Note: Ruuntu Weey AdagteeY oo waa Qadhaadh laakin waa daawuu. . Oh I am Sorry is the truth of your idol painful? As you said truth is painful. I know his Somali kids well, probably better than he does.- Ask him if you think I'm lying. He was obsessed with marrying a white revert- So whatever else he can lecture people on, I refused for him to preach me about cadaan cabuud. The frigging cheek. It is irrelevant whether this case is true- in fact it might well be true- so what? Can I use his own specific case to say most of our Somali brothers are leaving Somali sisters or marrying white women? I didnt think so. Also he gave that talk in Hargeisa- other than making his audience laugh and making a mockery of Somali sisters- what point did this achieve? Is the risk in Hargeisa greater? IF you are going to idolize someone- you should probably find out what you can about them so you are not shocked. May god bless him for his contributions and good deeds and forgive him for his misgiving, laakin on this topic, the man is chatting breeez, people in glass houses should not throw stones- especially in Hargeisa.

Lol @ Layzie G! I am intrigued to know who she is and what crazies she attracted here! Also can you please do us a favour and enable your PM- some of your old fans want to send (reply) to messages now that you are back.

Layzie G- how you doing!!!? I am glad to see you out and about- I have missed you. Now every time I read something in SOL it is the equivalent to watching a comedy show centered around "Yo, your mama is so FAT, that when she jump for joy, She got stuck" ala Canadian hindi comedian Russel peters. lol I hope you are well and life has been good to you. We should have an SOL oldie's reunion thread- figure out where your beloved Shiekh Sharifi got to, Xiin sadly dropped that damn heavy peace caravan, and North is still stubborn- Johnny is still chasing skirt, but they are worryingly getting younger each year- he might get into trouble at this rate without intervention.

Oiler;982657 wrote: Truth be told I haven't read your post fully, just skimmed through. I don't plan to read it as well, have a good-day madame. So you are just a troller than- as I said I dont expect you to. Why, thank you- I will have a good, beautifully blessed day, inshallah. AP: It is never personal- my opinions are mine regardless of whether other forum users find the useful or empty. and I was just pointing out the irony your new acquired position. I'm out- enjoy the armature shouting debate which now passes as religious discussion. P.s. Supernatural covers a vast area

Oiler;982607 wrote: Haha indeed. She hasn't said nothing at all. You can tell that she was not trying to direct anything to our friend on the far left. No, my friend- it just went above your head- it is okay it is not your fault. Ap: You have graduated from pretending to be an atheist to sitting on the sides make childish remarks- congratulations.

I find Said Rage hypocritical in this topic- he left his Somali wife and kids for a blond, blue eyed women- and his Somali wife's family paid for HIS wedding when he was a broke student. On reflection I am sure the family regret being so nice to him. I heard one story does not constitute "lots" or "facts"- an anomaly at best.

A little ego stroking and you are all happy. Simply men What she said is the same as what every women on this forum has been shouting at you for years. Marrying outside the Somali race has nothing to do with Somali men- often it just so happens two people fall in fall and marry. I dont know if there are a large proportion of Somali women saying "I will never marry a Somali man, I am going to make an active choice to marry a noneSomali" What I do often hear is girls saying "I've always wanted to marry a Somali, but can't find one I am compatible with, I'm start considering other Muslims" And like Kowthar says- nothing wrong with that. At 18, maxaa iyaad waxaan ka galey ba? What happened to keeping your head in the books- She should not even know men exist at this age- let alone categorize them.

Too little knowledge is very dangerous- It really is sad and shameful when people try to aggressively dress something Islamic with all the childishness and immaturity that is evident in this thread. Debating Islamic issues requires certain level of akhlaaq or ethics- particularly those posing as poster childs for Islam. If you want to make a point, you should do so without getting personal- really girls on facebook using big words? is that a joke?- that is the whole point of a presenting a different argument so that someone may benefit from you- otherwise why bother? Islam is not who shouts the loudest in an obnoxious fashion or how many cheerleaders they are performing for. It is painful to watch and achieves nothing. As for Liberal Arts- if you fear your kids being led astray in less than 3yrs then you failed your duty as a parent first and foremost educate and bring your kids up in an Islamic manner- most people get to University earliest at 18. A good parent would've ensured that by then- their kids have the foundation and grounding Islamically to intellectually defend their believes, respond to challenging thoughts without losing their way and possible even educate others. Of course if you just have them and let them go sidada adhiga and try to hide behind protecting them from any ideas that might challenge them- in this age of the open source- you will fail. Education is too fold- what you practice and teach at home and their formal studies- and the two go hand in hand. As for the topic- my own up bring and Islamic education in a salafi following school and home environment is more on the rigid side which is why I dont get into religious debates but I think you have all agreed on the bottom line which is your sinful actions only take you across the board IF you defend it- for example the gay Muslim community in the UK has two groups- one who advocates that God made them gay genetically and therefore it is okay and they should be accepted like normal marriages and Islam needs to be reformed to reflect this-- OR the other group who believe that this is their challenge in this world and they need to overcome it. I personally dont believe that Islam needs any reform in anything- if something does not fit we can't package it or mold it so that it appears to fit even if it is something that current affairs cannot accept- our role is not to make Islam more acceptable or appealing or tolerant. Islam in its own way is acceptable, appealing, and tolerant- although as evident in this thread Muslims are often rude, hostile and intolerant. On the flip side to people who feel they need to explain Islam, make it vague and contentious so that we dont appear extreme are people who try to justify things quickly and without evidence (or the strength and validity of the evidence they are presenting) for example I've seen so many people making blanket statements such as: "everyone knows the punishment for adultery is stoning to death". So change works in both ways, being definitive in ways Islam is not is also an attempt to change Islam. I also seen memebers implying that marrying other races/ colour/nations is not islamically encouraged- we should be-careful about WHAT we attribute to Islam- there are things which are difficult to accept or you dislike but Islam allows- a true believer needs accept and move on. So lets play nice and by all means have a good and valid discussion on these issues but true to the spirit, kindness and good character of Muslims and if you are not Muslim, the honest character of a Somali. Those who were members in 2004-2006 will remember all the religious debates Johnny B, North, LazyG, Me, Sheh, and Nur the resident shikh of SOL use to have- it never got personal and in our own way we all learnt something- Khyre will testify that even Johnny B now days is closer to Islam then back in the days, dont you agree? Peace and Baris

Great we are going to have a new generation who speaks Somali, write Turkish, Farsi, French, English and mixes it all up. lol IT will take them a while to actually get to doing anything in Somali context. Plus they are still recovering and struggling with the North Africans

I thought the French were staying in DJ- they are not in Somaliland- can't imagine they are ducking bullets in flipflops like the turks in South either