We cope knowing the dead will be judged on his/her deeds. I lost my uncle a couple of weeks ago. Illahay ha u naxaristo. Glad I managed to spend sometime with him recently.

Photoshopped surely

Brilliant.

^ Carafaat wa la iska ogyahay ciduu yahay. The blue guy I'm not so sure.

Afternoon all. You know you've been away for too long when you convert everything back into Dirhams to see if its worth buying or not. Ngonge, you know what they say about being forgetful?

^Thought I would merge the two threads.

http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/51274-Favourite-Movie-Scenes?highlight=movie+scenes

Please do send me his details.

Afternoon Ngonge, Nice day today. ps do you ever look at your phone when Liverpool are not playing?

Our fellow SOLer Thierry became a proud father for the first time last night. Alf Mabruuk to Mr and Mrs Thierry. May your daughter make you proud and have the best of health and iman. Amin.

Maaddeey;848063 wrote: Norf, in what condition you would allow this to happen? Not when the one giving the fataawa and doing the destroying happens to also be carrying a gun in a power vacuum.

^Agreed. The conditions in Mali are not right (just as in Somalia with AS).

Morning all. Grey and dull again Faheema hows the heat?

NGONGE;847970 wrote: I couldn't go to sleep without coming back and saying that when you break off into two opposing sides, please count me in the group that does not include Norf, Maaddey or (for totally different reasons) El Punto. Well, after that clarification, I hope you slept like a baby and dreamt of LFC winning things soon

Swimming should be made compulsary for all kids.

Doubt you have put on running shoes in that time either Adlingtona waayo?

He is probably working for someone else....

Afternoon all. 12 hr sleep (with a school run in between). Ngonge, swimming is actually more tiring than running. Murray on match point...

ElPunto;847626 wrote: Agree with you re media and that *****. They're not strictly speaking religious buildings though some people have established a religious relationship with these buildings. I'm not sure it isn't the easiest way. It seems like a very blunt instrument to a larger and more noble goal. I'm not sure there is centuries of education - clearly not the obvious result. I just want you to understand it's not as simple as destroying shrines to get rid of shirk. It might well be though. It might be the quickest way of stopping the practice and the quickest way of getting it out of the psyche of people making it more difficult to be passed on to the younger generations as there is no shrine/building to stand by or enter. There is no definitive way of dealing with this form of shirk but I can see why some think its best to destroy such places.

ElPunto;847618 wrote: Norf, There is no question that shrine worship and saint reverence is absolutely xaram and the worst of sins. But if you think that destroying shrines will solve this misguidance easily I think you're mistaken. If you don't try to change people's hearts through education you haven't really changed them. I was highlighting the real reasons behind the destruction of the shrines (and others elsewhere). The media outlets are as usual doing a terrible job but they're not helped by quotes from the guy below. My message to those involved in these criminal acts is clear: stop the destruction of the religious buildings now," ICC Chief Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda told AFP in an interview in Dakar . How are they religious buildings exactly? Are you sure destruction isn't the easiest way to eradicate these ignorant practices? Centuries of education have clearly failed.

ailamos;847603 wrote: And tombs are not part of Islamic heritage? It depends on which side of the fence one sits. The spokesperson for the IOC can't change the interpretations of others. The ideology and justification of those who destroyed the tombs is explained on this wiki page as: Islam’s core tenet is the recognition and worship of one supreme God, which it shares with the other Abrahamic religions. Islam espouses the direct link between a believer and the God and rejects the intercession or the existence of a medium between the two. Although this position can be considerably more complex within the different schools and strains of Islamic theology, the conservative orthodoxy of Wahhabism adheres strictly and literally to this position and prefers to abide by a more narrow and safeguarded interpretation. The widespread demolition of gravesites, tombs, mausoleums, birthplaces, mosques or locations otherwise connected with the prophet Muhammad, his family and companions, pious individuals or important events in Islamic history after the Saudi conquest of the Hejaz was an attempt to eradicate non-orthodox practices that had become established in regional Islam during that time. The ongoing demolition of similar places until the present day may constitute the continued effort by Saudi authorities to safeguard Islamic monotheism against non-orthodox practices that are not recognized by Islam. Controversy arises because, like any theological issues, there are wide differences in opinion concerning orthodoxy, and with what constitutes acceptable Islamic practices and what does not. This is further compounded by the countless interpretations of Islamic theology that can be present in places such as Mecca and Medina, where millions of Muslim visitors from diverse regions and backgrounds of the Islamic World can congregate in the same space at any given time. What is certain is that Islam prohibits the deification of anything other than God and this includes the attributing of divine characteristics (such as all-encompassing power or the control or knowledge of human destiny) to anyone or thing other than god, including prophets and saints. Furthermore, there exist within the accredited traditions of Muhammad (Sunnah) several injunctions prohibiting the visitation of sites and more specifically the erecting of structures over graves such as mausoleums and Mosques. It is according to these specific orders from the Prophetic authority of Muhammad that Wahhabi and other orthodox Muslims devise the rulings that permit the demolition referenced above. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_early_Islamic_heritage_sites#Theological_justification What I'm asking is, are they (those that destroyed the tombs) wrong considering those tombs are being used by people to pray to God through the dead 'saints'? This spreads ignorance when people copy eachother and pass on the practice to others. Who is responsible? Who should be held accountable?

ailamos;847594 wrote: Enraged because it is a part of Islamic heritage that should be preserved and not destroyed and because I've read about Timbuktu as a child in Islamic Studies class and how it was part of the Islamic Golden Age. Huh? What Islamic heritage is being destroyed? Are any mosques being destroyed? Any of the ancient school buildings? The report says tombs are being destroyed.

ElPunto;847565 wrote: Yes - Norf - but it doesn't give them the right to destroy them still. Nor does it add to their political cause. This requires education and time to change this errant mentality. Whether its right or wrong depends on what the correct course of action is islamically.

ailamos;847558 wrote: LOL, the BBC, Al Jazeera, Al Ahram, The National ... take your pick ;-) Ok. Care to address the other part of my post?