^^True that. But we are a suspicious lot. The climate must be right (noble leaders and not warlords) for any reconciliation to be considered. This doesn’t look like happening anytime soon. Agree?

Mansa Munsa I already know your stance with regard to recent developments. However, those who support the union should not support just any old fart(s) who happens to be in the hot seat. Look at Yeey today. He is the head of the Republic. But lets not pretend he is the man for the job of re-unification. Running along with such a man/entity for the sake of ‘unity’ is wrong in my book. Are there any alternatives? I guess not at this moment in time. I’ll I’m saying is that the united Somalia ideology is dead and buried with the current leaders of Somalia. Unless these guys are removed (which nearly happened in 2006) and better more noble people installed, then reer SL will not take the call for re-unification seriously. The SL admin have many faults and they should remain on their course with more astuteness.

^^it is a big deal saxib. Changing the flag will insense many people and will be another slap in the face to the Somali people.

Some nifty footwork there Mansa (side stepping my Q) but the Somali Republic you talk of (if you can still call it that) is in dire straits today. I hope these land issues are resolved peacfully.

Based on my own observations I've come to this conclusion, Somaliland administration's government structure is relatively mature. With that said, first your admin, SL, can't be a multi-ethnic nation given its current shape and form, the fallacies of your argument are out there all to see for instance the multi party that you mentioned, isn't each party represent one of your subclan_Xs, is that what you call multi party or an oasis of democracy. Point the finger is all you do ya Munsa. Given, the political parties are clan inclined and we all wish for a perfect world but this is Africa. I did ask you who is more of a nation today (in terms of political ‘maturity’), Somaliland or Somalia? Secondly, the secessionist's dogma coupled the ethnocentric of your clan and impracticality approach towards the inalienable right of the citizens of SSC regions, are killing the cause of seeking nationhood in the considered enclave......... As I said, nobody would care about Somaliland’s proposed succession if it wasn’t for the disputed regions. Ps Maybe citizens of ‘parts’ of SSC regions would be a better term to use

Originally posted by Mansa Munsa: It would be wise that one asks himself whether the thing call Somaliland deserves to be a nation or with its current shape and form, I ask? In your view and for comparitive purposes, who is more of a nation today in terms of its political foundations/make up (multi party democracy, elected parliament etc) Somalia or Somaliland? Lets be honest with ourselves here, if it wasnt for the disputed land not many people would really care. Including the somaliweynists

^^wax allaale iyo wax aad tidhi garanmaayo! :confused:

Dear Sir/Madam, In April 2007, it was reported that the Ethiopian army and the Somali TNG forces committed genocide against civilian people in Mogadishu. It was officially reported that over one thousand civilian was killed in just two days fighting in Mogadishu and mostly of these people died as result of indiscriminate shelling by the Ethiopian forces. Many international organizations and observers rightfully recognized that the shelling in Mogadishu constitutes genocide. Yet the U.S., UN, EU, Arab League and other international organizations such us; the Red Cross, Red Crescent, Amnesty International and Africa Watch have failed to respond to this genocide with the urgency that is required. As the death toll in Mogadishu continues to mount, it is clear that nothing short of international intervention can protect the people of Mogadishu. We call the world leaders to intervene and ensure that such an international intervention takes place as a matter of the greatest urgency. Only in seven days of fighting in Mogadishu between the Ethiopian forces who invaded Somalia illegally and opposition clan militias, up to 3000 people have lost their lives in Mogadishu as the result of indiscriminate shelling from the Ethiopian army and more than half a million people have been displaced, their livelihoods and homes destroyed by Ethiopian army and their proxy TNG militias, and many thousands of women and girls have been raped by these forces. Recent reports confirm that the so called TNG government-sponsored violence continues in Mogadishu, Kismayo and also border between Somaliland and Puntland and that the security situation in whole of Somalia is deteriorating as result of these killings. The humanitarian crisis that forms part of the genocide is escalating, as the TNG government of Somalia and their Ethiopian ally continue to obstruct humanitarian operations, creating famine conditions for millions of vulnerable people. We believe that most important priority must be providing protection to the civilian people of Somalia, particularly in Mogadishu. The African Union (AU) has shown important leadership but so far only Uganda has sent troops to Somalia. We are aware that Ethiopian forces entered illegally in Somalia to install the TNG which was elected in Kenya by Somali Warlords. The TNG has now lost its credibility in Somalia and it transformed itself as clan based militia. The AU cannot address this crisis alone, and nor should it have to. Genocide is an international crime, a crime against humanity, and it requires an international response. Unless there is an urgent international intervention in Mogadishu, thousands more innocent people may be dead by the end of this year. An international intervention is essential to support the AU's efforts, and can achieve four critical purposes: (1) stop the killing and provide security for millions of internally displaced people (IDPs); (2) facilitate the urgent delivery of humanitarian assistance; (3) enforce the cease fire and provide a stable environment for meaningful peace talks to proceed; and (4) facilitate the voluntary return of IDPs to their land and the reconstruction of their homes by providing a secure environment and (5) to pressure Ethiopia to withdraw its forces from Somalia. We urge you to immediately take the following steps to support an urgent international intervention to stop genocide in Mogadishu: First, members of the Security Council at the United Nations (UN) must circulate a resolution calling for a stronger civilian protection mandate for the African Union mission and for a broader international force under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter. Second, members of the Security Council must encourage the UN to quickly approve and assemble a robust international force mainly from the Muslim World, under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter, to integrate or co-deploy with the African Union and reinforce its efforts. Such a force can be assembled with troop contributions and financial & logistical support from additional countries within and outside the African continent. Genocide is a unique crime and it requires a unique and urgent response. We can still save thousands of lives in Mogadishu and other parts of Somalia if we act now. We look to you to provide strong leadership to stop the genocide in Mogadishu by supporting an international intervention force to protect the people of Mogadishu as a critical first step to bringing peace and stability to this troubled city. Mohamed Ighe BSc, MSc, ( mighe@hotmail.co.uk). Consortium of Somali Communities, London, UK

^^Ronaldo realised he wasnt playing against Portsmouth iyo Charlton!

Is it all its cracked up to be? Remember Rahima has been constantly dissing London for god knows how long so be diplomatic with your Aussie reviews

The first task is to convince Muslims that we have made mistakes, which have lead to the situation we are in today. That in itself is a mammoth task. No doubt there would be disagreements to some of the mistakes by certain parties but never the less, recognition that we are to blame for some of what is happening today is in order. Then, through the Islamic Organisation, a set of principles must be agreed upon aimed at bringing about a common goal. A goal of unity/agreement/working together etc in accordance with the sources (Quran and Sunnah). Tough decision included. Given, not all will agree to work in accordance with the sources but the majority can and will. Common programmes should be adopted across all Muslim countries with these common principles also to be used by Muslims who live abroad. Programmes that would promote and improve one’s understanding of Islam and the importance of unity within it. The notion of every man for himself must be gotten rid of permanently. Remember what happened in Niger a few years ago? Was there any help from Muslims? Then remember Lubnaan and the cries from all Arabs? One was a natural test from Allah (swt) for the Niger people and Muslims in general while the other was because of the failures of Muslims to settle their differences and work together (also a test). In essence, recognition of one’s own faults and the realisation that your life will not get better unless you are with others of your belief fighting the enemy are the most important things. Hope i didnt waffle,,,,,,,

Ahh Mr Goth Ok good points in his article. But where are his articles on the goings on in Xamar over the past few months? Is he affraid of writing anti TFG?Ethio pieces? He wrote one on the burnt bodies of dead Ethio soldiers and blamed an entire clan!!! Now he is making a point of respecting minority clans :rolleyes: So much for journalism Mr Goth (in case your reading this)

Kaka, the best player in the world today

Ancelloti, you have this man awaiting you and your team in Athens,,,, Rafa the gaffa

Didnt see last nights game (i was fast asleep). Got up at 1.30am to the sound of a text msg stating Liverpool vs Milan final. Nostalgia hit me as i remembered the final of 2005. All roads lead to Athens.

Germany and Argentina Confirmed - 2006, 1990 and 1986 Not sure - 1978 and 1966

Liverpool's penalty hero burgled Liverpool FC's heroic goalkeeper Pepe Reina was burgled on Tuesday night as he was helping send the club through to the Champions League final. The 24-year-old Spaniard saved two out of three spot kicks in a penalty shoot-out against Chelsea at Anfield. But he returned from celebrating the win in the early hours of Wednesday to find his home in Woolton, Liverpool, had been ransacked. A number of high value items and the player's Porsche Cayenne were taken. Paperwork taken The grey-coloured car - which has Spanish number plates - was found burnt out in Fleetwood Walk at 0630 BST. Merseyside Police said the burglary happened sometime between 1900 BST on Tuesday and 0045 BST on Wednesday. Officers were called to the address at 0145 BST after Reina discovered the break-in. The goalkeeper, who joined Liverpool in the summer 2005, does not want to comment on the incident. As well as the car, officers said paperwork, jewellery, and a Bang and Olufsen entertainment system was taken. Footballers targeted Reina is the latest in a line of footballers who play in the city to be targeted by burglars, often while they were taking part in matches. The home of his fellow Liverpool goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek was burgled in June 2006 while he was on holiday in Poland. His Porsche, jewellery and football memorabilia was taken by thieves. Daniel Agger, who scored for Liverpool on Tuesday night, had his home in Wirral burgled in September 2006. In the same month, Reds striker Peter Crouch's house in Alderley Edge was hit by thieves while he was on England duty. Meanwhile, Dutchman Andy Van der Meyde - who plays for Everton - was burgled twice in 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6615493.stm

Where is that Ngonge? Part-time supporter!

Bob, the shiekh spoke well. D&D I’m not saying there is no conspiracy at all because there is one. But rather wish to highlight the extent of which is of our own doing. I remember growing up and watching Bosnians get massacred while there was no single Muslim voice (as far as I remember) condemning it. Those were the days of black and white so to speak. Blame it all on the dirty Serbians who had the support of their Russian European friends hence why the EU and the US/UN just watched. You have Iraq today where many are killed on a daily basis and the Muslim states are hosting the occupiers. The boom right here in Dubai is mainly thanks to high oil prices stemming from the Iraq war. The split between conspiracy and our own negligence is closer to 50/50 than many people would like to think.

somalidu meelwalba wey isku ceebeyaan

waad layaabi what you read in the papers.

If you think this is disgusting you should read other articles in Gulf News on a daily basis. Kids kidnapping kids (boys) to rape them,,, crazy place,,,,

Qatari to be executed for raping teenage daughter By Barbara Bibbo', Correspondent Doha: A Qatari man has been sentenced to be executed by firing squad for raping his teenage daughter, local newspapers reported here yesterday. The criminal court - a three-member panel of judges presided over by Mamon Hamour - condemned the 43-year-old man on Monday, according to the English daily Gulf Times. The court said in the verdict that the man "had used his paternal authority to abuse the victim for years". The man was arrested on November 8, 2006, following a complaint from his son, who had caught the father abusing the girl. The victim told the police that the father had been abusing her for five years. Complaint The girl's mother told the police that she had filed a complaint against her husband in early 2006, but the accused was released after a month in jail. The convict, who has remained under detention since his arrest last November, denied the charges, accusing the daughter of plotting against him because he did not allow her to smoke. Death penalties in Qatar are imposed by the unanimous decision of a criminal court, especially in murder-related cases and drug trafficking. However, the law imposes the death penalty also for rape, a judge of the criminal court told Gulf News yesterday. "In some cases, the court can condemn rapists to death. It is considered the highest punishment and it is imposed especially in cases when the abuse has been repeated over time and it involves family members and minors." The judge in the criminal court, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue, said cases of rape are on the rise in Qatar, especially among Qatari nationals. "Cases of rape, including incest, are becoming more frequent. I believe this is due to the fact that the traditional society is suffering from a cultural shock, mainly due to the growing presence of immigrants. Values and habits are rapidly changing and violence in increasing." source

^^exactly what i'm saying nobody cares about nobody. Everyman for himself,,,,

^^lol Was the invasion of Iraq because the US wanted oil or was it because Muslims were disunited with many not even on speaking terms? If Saudi Arabia was invaded today do you think 1 million Muslims would fight? Sadly i dont think so,,,,