Thank You President Bush For Saving Anarchy in Somalia As 150,000 Ethiopian troops aided by American reconaissance planes invade Somalia, Anarchists @ Baidoa are sighing with relief, the danger of the Islamists spreading peace and brotherhood has diminished remarkably, and all the warlords are back , the looting just began in Mogadishu, and the Ethiopian soldiers are busy raping 14 year old virgins while killing the men in cold blood baths. The Somalia Quagmire is just beginning, the Ethiopians have ordered clan elders to begin their clan wars for territories, and the Christian Churches are blessing the rape of a heathen nation. Anarchy is back with vengence with American and European blessing this time! Cag Bakeyle Former Anarchist

In Somalia, a reckless U.S. proxy war By Salim Lone Tribune Media Services 12/26/06 "IHT" -- -- NAIROBI -- Undeterred by the horrors and setbacks in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon, the Bush administration has opened another battlefront in the Muslim world. With full U.S. backing and military training, at least 15,000 Ethiopian troops have entered Somalia in an illegal war of aggression against the Union of Islamic Courts, which controls almost the entire south of the country. As with Iraq in 2003, the United States has cast this as a war to curtail terrorism, but its real goal is to obtain a direct foothold in a highly strategic region by establishing a client regime there. The Horn of Africa is newly oil-rich, and lies just miles from Saudi Arabia, overlooking the daily passage of large numbers of oil tankers and warships through the Red Sea. General John Abizaid, the current U.S. military chief of the Iraq war, was in Ethiopia this month, and President Hu Jintao of China visited Kenya, Sudan and Ethiopia earlier this year to pursue oil and trade agreements. The U.S. instigation of war between Ethiopia and Somalia, two of world's poorest countries already struggling with massive humanitarian disasters, is reckless in the extreme. Unlike in the run-up to Iraq, independent experts, including from the European Union, were united in warning that this war could destabilize the whole region even if America succeeds in its goal of toppling the Islamic Courts. An insurgency by Somalis, millions of whom live in Kenya and Ethiopia, will surely ensue, and attract thousands of new anti-U.S. militants and terrorists. With so much of the world convulsed by crisis, little attention has been paid to this unfolding disaster in the Horn. The UN Security Council, however, did take up the issue, and in another craven act which will further cement its reputation as an anti-Muslim body, bowed to American and British pressure to authorize a regional peacekeeping force to enter Somalia to protect the transitional government, which is fighting the Islamic Courts. The new UN resolution states that the world body acted to "restore peace and stability." But as all major international news organizations have reported, this year Somalia finally experienced its first respite from 16 years of utter lawlessness and terror at the hands of the marauding warlords who drove out UN peacekeepers in 1993, when 18 American soldiers were killed. Since 1993, there had been no Security Council interest in sending peacekeepers to Somalia, but as peace and order took hold, a multilateral force was suddenly deemed necessary — because it was the Islamic Courts Union that had brought about this stability. Astonishingly, the Islamists had succeeded in defeating the warlords primarily through rallying people to their side by creating law and order through the application of Shariah law, which Somalis universally practice. The transitional government, on the other hand, is dominated by the warlords and terrorists who drove out American forces in 1993. Organized in Kenya by U.S. regional allies, it is so completely devoid of internal support that it has turned to Somalia's arch- enemy, Ethiopia, for assistance. If this war continues, it will affect the whole region, do serious harm to U.S. interests and threaten Kenya, the only island of stability in this corner of Africa. Ethiopia is at even greater risk, as a dictatorship with little popular support and beset also by two large internal revolts, by the ******is and Oromos. It is also mired in a conflict with Eritrea, which has denied it secure access to seaports. The best antidote to terrorism in Somalia is stability, which the Islamic Courts have provided. The Islamists have strong public support, which has grown in the face of U.S. and Ethiopian interventions. As in other Muslim-Western conflicts, the world needs to engage with the Islamists to secure peace. Copyright © 2006 The International Herald Tribune

Khalaf bro. writes: " a Party of Allah should work for the benefit of the ppl and not bring fitnah to them " Was it the tribalist Fitnah, deceptively forced upon the Somali nation by our enemies through warlords in TFG to break us apart as vengenece for the 1977 Somali Ethiopian war the source of Fitnah, ................. or was the ICU the source of the current Fitnah? Nur

S.O.S. walaal Waxaa laga soo wariyey Rasuulkeenna SAWS inuu yidhi, xadiith macnihiisu yahay " ma dhadhamin macaanka iimaanka qofkaan dadka qaarkii ku jeclaan Allah dartii, ama aan dadka qaarkiisa kale ku nicin Allah dartii" Walaal, nolosha adduunka waa maalmo gaaban, dabadeedna Allah ayaan wada hor istaagi doonna, qofwalbana wuxuu helidoonaa wuxuu kasbaday asagoon la duudsinin. Nur

Geeddi and Abdullahi Yusuf The Somali People are all behind you, they want to see your backs, all the way to Axum, Tigreland. Yours is a new low for a politician, selling your honor and stealing public wealth is understandable, but selling an entire country wholesale to its historical arch-enemy is a new low for any somali politician, your names should be submitted to Guiness book fo world records Hall of Shame. Nur

Sir The war is just beginning, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your decision to let the war happen, I knew we Somalis have the wrong impression about Isreal, we always thought that you are the enemy of Somalia, but now, after witnessing your global directive to your followers of the NEOCON to relay to Bush, who in turn asked Cofee Anan to look the other way if aske about Ethiopias invasion in Somalia, who in turn passed your directive to Europeans who are actually nice humanitarian people otherwise, and others to stay out of this fight, and to let Tigree Junta troops invade Somalia to dimantle it and make it Gazza strip Vesrion II. Because of your great decision, as the unchallenged world leader, Somalis have for the first time in ages forgotten their clan differences, they are suddenly awaken by the threat of being eaten wholesale by the Christian Empire of Ethiopia, they see the religious dimension of the conflict much clearer now because of your actions and the lack of some. We even see now a new opportunity as the oppressed Muslim masses of the Oromo, Somalis and others ethnic groups in Ethiopia becoming emboldened to seek freedom from the Proxy Tigree Imperialism in East Africa. Take it from an experienced warlord, weopons once released, are difficult to collect them back, the Ethiopian soliders of the oppressed minority will never give their AKs up, the least they can get is 150 Dollars for their rifles, which is equivalent to their yearly salaries, because the Ethiopian Generals have stolen their money. Sir, we Somalis after 16 years of imposed Civil war are the best natural fighters, all the bad ones died, this breed is very resisitent to tanks and artillery, they approach death with a smile, after hitting rock bottom, we have no where to go but up, either freedom to live our chosen way, or to heaven, which is much higher. Our opponents, cant say the same, an African proverb says, when two vessles collide, the fuller vessel spills. Chief Cag Bakeyle Repenting Ex Warlord and Ex Member of the TFG government. Daynuunaay, Somalia

M. Gaalkacyo, a resident of Ontario, saw a dream in which the Prophet Muhammad SAWS gave him the good news of Shahaada,( Martyrdom) . He immediately sold all of his belongings and travelled to Kismaayo, Somalia during the Anarchist warlords rein of the City. Due to the confusion of tribalist interpretation of the Civil War, he was unable to join any of the conflicts that were misleadingly labeled to be a war between clans when in fact they were a deceptive plan to burn Somalis against Somalis to maintain Ethiopias supremacy in the region. M. Gaalkayo who came back home for a devine calling finally joined his brothers the Islamic Courts in Kismaayo, after it became clear to him the true nature of the conflict, and later he lead the second decisive battle between Barre Hiraale ( His own clansman) and the Islamic Courts Union. He valiantly led that army for a decisive victory against that warlord, chasing him away until se secured many sensitive documents and vehicle that showed beyound doubt the evil intentions of the warlord. M. Gaalkaco, a devout and a law abiding citizen back in Canada, finally led another front to liberate the country from the occupation troops of the Tigree Junta of Ethiopia. After couple days of intensive fighting, his dream came true, he lay martyred in the outskirts of Baidoa, making good of his promise to Allah, to sell his soul for the casue of Allah, of Justice and peace on earth through the following of the revelation of Allah SWT. M. Gaalkacyo is gone, we hope he is today in paradise, may Allah accept his sincere intentions, and rasie him with the Prophets, the truthful and the piuos of all nations who resisited injustice in all of its forms, his perfumed blood, will be a down payment for many Somalis to live under their chosen faith in Allah SWT, that is denied to them by the forces of evil. Never again, Never again, we should never think less of our selves, as Allah is on the side of justice and righteousness, we should therefore think of ourselves less! and think more of the casue of Islam in Somalia, a worthwhile cause indeed. Allah is our sole ally, they have no allies to match Allah! Nur

Breaking News: Anarchy Under Attack At Baidoa ( last Stronghold of Anarchists) The UIC is attacking the only remaining town of the Somali Anarchist Association. The UN, an organization funded by the Professional American Liars Association, has hastely approved deployment of African Troops to legitimize the already-on-site fighting Tigree troops on behalf of the American Liars Association who is suffering from evil Zionist and Neocon Spirits that it cant get rid off without a heated excorcism on wars and death of civilians worldwide. The Neocon possessed body of the American Liars Asssociation in need of violent excorcism ( America is possessed by a Neocon Demon of the Zionist Strain, who sees Islam as its enemy in Palestine and the world) has given the green lights to maintain Anarchy in Somalia by dispatching the Tigree troops of Ethiopia, to give a hand to the Last remaining pocket of the Somali Anarchists and Warlords holed up at Biadoa. The American Liars are cautioning the Tigree invaders that America is running out of credible lies, the world is waking up to many of its lies, which will threaten the future of Somali Anarchy, so a quick victory over the islamists is important to Cofe Anan, who represents a body of International Liars who agreed that anyone who can prove the ability to commit mass murder by nuking peope to powder has the VETO right, while all other peace loving nations without the capability to commit mass murder have no such right. Which explains the Machiavellian philosophy our warlords adhere to that people respond to fear better than when shown love and caring, that is why Professional American Liars Association needs to sustain fear by holding terrorism as their reason for being around, so much for the Christian principle of loving ones's enemy, ... but not before bombarding Somali towns with Ethiopian helicopters and enjoying the horror sites during the Chrismas dinners. What a caring world religion? The Corrupt UN, endorses the Disfunctional African Union (indebted to the USA, EU) ( but the money never reached africa, it sits in Swiss Banks under the name of the African Leaders who have no guts speaking truth for fear of being exposed by the Liars Association) to send troops to Somalia, to support an anarchist government made of criminals of the Somali Genocide. The only volunteer for the job is Ethiopia, run by a minority race Tigree which controls 28 races of which the Somali race has the largest land , and the Oromo has the largest population 60 percent. The Tigree Military government in Ethiopia is oppressive to its people, killed many demonstartators Tianan Men Square style, but diue to its holy mission to support Anarchy, Cofe Anan who suffers from vision problems ( his left eye sees only money) agrees to the Tigre Mission in Somalia. Reporting From Nairobi Repenting Ex-Warlord Cag Bakayle in Association With special repporter from Baidoa, the Donkey that carried Somali Politicians out of the Biadoa city limits. Nur

Originally Posted august 7, 2006 Haneefa sis This group never existed as it is today, it came together by a decree from Allah to rid the nation of the evil of US and Ethiopia supported warlords. Today, the group is more representative of a large base of the public, funded largely by the business community, its a genuine grassroots movements as it draws its legitimacy and credibility from the common people in the streets. Nur

Originally Posted Nov. 13, 2006 Legend Your reservations at the time of the writing were indeed warranted, I did miss to respond to them, here are my thoughts. The events that led to the rise of the islamic courts were a fluke, from no where appeared peace that was so illussive that deprived Nairobi Hotels the money they were making right and left for the past 15 years, meetings and meetings, coffee and a lot of drinking by NGO,s UN and IGAD, misery as usual for the downtrodden masses in Somalia, environment being polluted, people killed and maimed all over the nation, albeit with the exception of some relative peace in Puntland and Somaliland, but the rest of the south was under hostility of 14 warlords and thugs supported by Ethiopia and the TFG. The TFG, a collection of characters who were brought together by a Michiavellian ineterst barter deal rather than a true national interest drive. In the eyes of the common person in Somali streets, Its true that a failure of the Islamists can be equated by a failure of Islam, and precisely that is what the TFG and their Ethiopian backers are trying to do, because, the UIC has stolen the show of bringing peace to Somalia, which they planned to pull, like a hat trick, now, their new strategy is to suffucate the UIC so that the people retract their support and throw themselves in the arms of the Devil just to eat, which is the same strategy used against Hamas by Isreal. Islamists are learning these lessons fast, and are becoming more agile and adaptive to new realities, its not easy to play by the rules when your adversary is free to break every rule in the books, and is supported by our national enemy, the days to come are going to be interesting, Islamists in Puntland and beyound are following events with caution, a sea of passive supporters have yet to be energised as the picture becomes more clear, unless politicians at the TFG make the wrong calculation, the situation may be under control, but if they jump the gun at the wrong time, it may be the last blunder and the rise of new courts in other regions, chrystallizing the divide of Islam vs Secularism to the Somali laymen, once more enlarging the circle of the owners of the Somali dilemma to include unaffected Somalis from all somali regions and abroad. Somalia, and Somalis are being hounded by enemies who hate to see them prosper in peace, by denying peace to Somalia, they are undermining their own stability, Allah is in the equation, and the UIC is the only entity counting on His support, the rest have a different God for support to their faithless and secular bid for power, the battle of a right God and false gods is in the making before our eyes, ..........popcorn with a pinch of salt please! Nur

Nobel Peace Price for Sheikh Sharif and the Islamic Courts, to: 1. Recognize the miraculous effort that ended the bloodletting of the Warlords at Baidoa. 2. Encouraging Peace and Productivity Foreign Troops are needed in Gazza to protect poor palestinians from Israeli Army. Not in peaceful Somalia. Nur

Tami and Laziegirl sis I try not to put my nose into all threads, some I read and pass by, some I respond to briefly, and some, I take action. Socod Badane, is a member on SOL and has full rights to post his beliefs and ideas, as a moderator, my first duty is the facilitating of discussion, not blocking free speech, because if we allow it here, we should accept it elsewhere, which we shouldn't. Secondly, I have read some other opinions of Socod badane that I agree with (Logically) , and many that I do not agree with ( Contextually) and at times think to be offensive, but Islam teaches us tolerance of others beliefs, this SOL board will be open to all opinions regardless of its taste, as long as they are objective. Allah's exisitence was denied on these baords, and He is patient with the poster, Muslim scholars were insulted and even many SOLers were subjected to redicule, for one, I have been personally insulted to "GO TO HELL" by an angry reader of mine on these threads, and I fully respect that angry writers right to post and air his displeasure with my views. The only posts that I would remove are: 1. Direct insult to Allah, Prophets, Angels, Books and Day of Judgement. 2. Personal insults. 3. Erroneous and defamatory statements on islam without any substantiating proofs. 4. Perversion, in all of its forms. I believe that Socod Badane's statement with its regrettable choice of language, does not violate the above gudielines, and still delivers a real message: that " Muslim Women" who wear tight jeans displaying their body contours do not leave much for imagination, thus inviting intrussive looks and stares of deprived men who have trouble controlling their gaze. Now, a feminsit can always argue and say that men who can not control their testastrone should stay at home to allow freedom for women form intrussive looks. Because unguarded stares can lead to smiles, flirtation, exchange of contacts, a date, streering them both toward haraam business. Based on that train of thought, Socod Badane, is representing an opinon that can be either agreed with or disagreed with, which is the reason we have a discussion board, a single opinion does not make up a board. May be, if he put it that way, it might not have been as offensive and as sexist, but we are all different, at different levels of faith, in a world boiling with conflicting belief systems, thus in a journey of learning, in which we all need to be patient with each other. Personally, I am not angry with Socod Badane, I am busy praying that Allah guides him to the straight path, I am envious, so much of his energy should only be spent in a worthwhile cause, Islam. Amen! Nur

Thanks brother, Baarakallah feek, May Allah take your hand and ours to Jannah, so we can sit in comfortable couches sipping on camel milk, nothing but good feelings in our hearts for each other. like allah says in Quraan " wa nazacnaa maa fii suduurihim min ghillin, ikhwaanan calaa sururin mutaqaabiliin" Nur

Ngonge bro. You write: (if you can tear yourself away from the venom within the threads) I will toss it off, I promise, could you please point it out as a service, no one needs venom. Nur

HELP WANTED Job Openning: International Anarchy Development Title: Dictator Country: Iraq, Somalia and few other countries Compensation: To Be negotaited Job Description: Incumbent is expected to fulfill all the orders fo the US President in the country of appointment. Must wear long mustache and lotts of facial hair. Must appear in TV like an enemy of the US Must hold a Guantanamo Standard Certificate for Torture skills. Killing of political opponents at close range without remorse ( UN Human Rights forbids eating the opponents for lunch) Must love the cameras and American Women. Must be able to unite Shia and Sunna and Kurds in Iraq, and Qansax and Qurac in Somalia, by inventing a new idealogy to replace religion, like Baath Party. Must carry out proxy regional wars on US behalf as needed, including, but not limited to gas bombing villages, etc. Must be a Certified Professional Liar. ( American Professional Liars Association), preferably the Winner or the runner up Politicians, for the coveted Pinocchio Award for 2006. If you know any qualified person for this position please contact, the Office of Condoleeza Rice ( IAD) for internation Anarchy Development. Miss Piggy For the Anarchist Magazine. Baidoa, Southern Somalia

Kheyr, Kashafa, Hodman,Devlangle Jazakalllahu Kheiran for your great idea, could you please lead become coordinator for the Prayer Vigil? we need a volunteer urgently. The purpose is to cover the blue planet with prayers for our people back home. Devilangle Nothing special about the 30 minutes except for the endurance of regular Faarax or Cambaro, the logic goes like this: On next Friday, Sister Rahima wakes up in Australia, prayes for thirty minutes prayer of Hardship, later, Northerner in the Middles East, then, Hodman in North America and so on, if we have 48 volunteers, each one praying 30 minutes, that is 24 hours of prayer on Friday, a complete day in prayers, like the 400 meters relay running championship. So, unless we sign up 48 Nomads, or 24 heavy dute Nomads who can pray an hour each, we may have to do with the four volunteers for the entire day to pray. Nur

Caaqil Bro I've even heard of this piece of Somali Poem by Abdi Gaheir that claims that even in the hereafter, people who've never owned camels are at disadvantage, it goes like this; " Aakhiro nimaan geel lahayn lama amaaneynee" There you go, you can take the Garamgarams from their camels, but you cant take the camels out of the Garamgarams. Nur

Reality Check So your defintion for Islam is belief in Allah alone? Nur

Good read for non-Muslims, and for some part time "Muslims" Nur

Haseena sis Yes inshAllah, please post the rest and let me do four Bayts at a time. Note: I have just translated one more Bait of the first batch you posted, which I've overlooked. Re-read please. Nur

We need volunteer experts in their respect fields of knowledge, to defend ISLAM in this virtual court against the mighty Media, at Somaliaonline Forums Virtual Court, Stand up for your faith,, others do for theirs! Nur

Ngonge bro. Deeds are measured with the intentions that drive them, if your comments were directed against mortals on this forum with a constructive goal, then, there is nothing to worry about, but afer reading the satetment (with no disclaimer for sake of keeping confusion at bay) I aired my opinion, the statement depressed me, but, I am relieved, and I take your word for it. You write: " From your reply, I get the impression that you’re in total agreement with the central point of this topic " Not quite, saaxiib. Let me repost responses that I have addressed to Xiin about the application of the xuduud, ( ARTICLE IS DATED BEFORE THE UIC VICTORY) and the necessity of the completion of the ground work before applying the Jurisprudence. When we say Islamic, we have to make sure that we are branding it as genuine Islam, not a rigged system, otherwise, the damage to the brand name will be irreversible. As for applying parts of islamic Sharia in Anarchist communities such as Mogadishu, we must recogocnize that Islamic Sharia is best applied when the ground work is done for its application, In Mogadishu, the foundations are not in place, the staff is not trained, triabalism remians to be a driving force ( Faqiih tolkii kama janno tago, meaning, a religious scholar does not enter paradise alone without his tribe, he is normally expected to go wherever they go, hell or heaven). The Sharia courts in Mogadishu may not be conviction driven which is necessary but not sufficient condition for its success, in reality they are need driven, and for that matter the same courts can work in Watts, Los Anegles, Haarlem in New York, and in deadly Southeast Washington DC. Just approach mayors in these cities and you may be given the approval, once you weed out the criminals, the credit goes for the mayor in next election, and the selective Sharia clauses that bhelped him get votes is discarded. The Sharia law is the culmination of many processes that should all be in place before it can be applied. Beginning with a sovereign territory, an educated citizenry who subscribe to it, a wise judicial system, and an ethical executive branch of government to enforce it. We must recognize that if majority of people are looting, its due to failure of governmemt to educate, lack of planning of resources for their needs or a general breakdown of law and order, work with Dawa groups that are successfull in converting Moriyans to a Muslim, and thirdly educate the masses through media. Xiinfaniin walaal You write: But I am still not convinced (though admittedly I am fleeting with more questions than answers) about the rigidity of those processes you cited. Answer: Walaal Xiin , Sharia of Allah is a sacred ordinance, conforming to it is a sign of surrender to Allah, rejecting it is a sign of kufr, as such we must be diligent when presenting it for appication into our lives. Sharia is applied after those whose affairs are in their hands ( Sovereign) have suurrendered to Allah in deed , as a mean for establishing an Islamic State to fulfil its duties entrusted to it by Allah SWT on earth to uphold justice, enjoing what is right and forbid what is evil. An Islamic state in turn has its requirements. Adherence to Sharia law is a form of surrender to Allah's authority, its thus a from of worship, Allah SWT says : inil xukmu illaa lillah, amara allaa tacbuduu illaaa iyaah dhalikal diinul qayim, walaakinna aktharunnasi laa yaclamuun : Meaning; Law making is reserved for Allah SWT, He has ordered that you shall not worship other than Him, (because) that is the right way of life ( Deen) but most people do not realize (the fact) ( since any other judicial power constitutes to be a sovereign, other than Allah, adherence to its law is tantamount to worship othet than Allah ) Such a sacred ordinance can only be carried out by a competent entity like an Islamic State. The state has to be defined in terms of the Sharia auspices from which it will draws its legitimacy, in light of the Quraan and Sunnah. ( Not From Cofe Anan and UN) The best definition of an Islamic State in modern times was the one adopted by the delegates of 31 Muslim scolars that convened in Karachi, Pakistan during the conference of ( Establishment Of An Islamic State ) held on the 21 - 24 of January 1951. Here are the set of conditions they have agreed upon as a consensus to be met before a state can be an Islamic State. ( below is my rusty translation from the original document in Arabic ): 1.The Real Power, behind legislation and establisihment of state should belong to ALLAH alone. ( TASHRIIC+ TAKWIIN) in Somali ( Maxaa la isugu tagay ( Qarannimo, Qabiil, Dhul?), maxaana la isku xukumayaa?) 2. There should not be any law, ordinance or a directive that conflicts with the Quraan and Sunnah. 3. The State should not be a geographically, ethnically, regionally, defined state. It should be established on a globalist scope for all mankind, transcending all temporal boundaries. ( Isreal is the only state applying the geographical clause above, it has no borders, just the area it can defend at any given time, because its foolishness to draw borders that can not be defended) 4. The state must work toward establishing good, and provide all of its means, and prohibit evil, and deter aginst it by all means. 5. The State must work toward the unification of all Muslims all over the world, in deed, and to feel their plight similar to how the human body senses its self , the whole body feeling pain when part of it is in pain. ( Hadeeth) 6. The state must provide for its citizens basic needs of shelter, food , education, healthcare, and specially for the physically or mentally disabled, or the unemployed, State shall not differentiate beneficiaries by social status or ethnic previllage. 7. All citizens without distinction are equal under the Sharia, such as protection of life, property, dignity, freedom of worship, personal freedoms, freedom of speech, freedom to travel without hindrance, freedom of association, freedom of trade, equalm opprtunity for employement and advancemenmt, and equality for reecieving public assistance. 8. No citizen should be denied any of the above rights without a legal decree from Islamic Sharia, no one should be punished without due process of law in an impartial court applying the sharia and extracting its legitimacy from Quraan and sunnah, and allowance for self defense aginst charges. 9. The head of state should be Muslim, Male, Dependable,with clean record, Credible, just, known for his piety, thoughtful and careful decision making method. 10. The head of state should be the Chief Executive of affairs, with previllage to delegate parts of his duties to a person or an institution that he trusts. 11. Head of state should consult according to Shuraa principle with people of knowledge in the specific fields, Ahulul Xal wal caqd (Those most knowledgeable in the Sharia) He should not dictate without consulting them. 12. Head of state should not make any law ineffective, partially or as a whole, and he should not dictate without first conferring with the shuraa committee. 13. The public represented by the ahlul Xal wal caqd ( Those most knowledgeable in the Sharia) reserve the right to elect the head of state, or to relieve him of his responsibility with a majority as Islam has prescribed. 14.Head of State has no immunity against the Sharia law, he is equal with all citizens in right and responsibilities. 15. Members of government, its employees and the public should follow a single process and system, and should equally stand before a public court in the land. 16. The Judicial branch should be separate and independent from the executive branch for passing judgements. 17. No interpretation of any law is allowed if its not in line with quraan and sunnah. 18. State will not tolerate any advocacy activity that clearly opposes Islamic principles, threatening the very existence of the nation. Questions: 1.Based on the above, which comes first the state with its conditions, or the Sharia? 2. We have seen Sharia declared all over the world, from States in Nigeria to Indonesia, where in the spectrum of above are they fitting? 3. You say, that perfection should not be the goal, how much of the above conditions do you see important? 4. I am sure that you agree that Walaa ( allegiance) should be for Allah ALONE, what happenes when its for the Tribe? the rescent clash in Mogadishu was immediately switched from Jihad to targeting a tribe. Walaa being part of tawheed, is it well understood that its for Allah? is it a minor thing in your opinion? Now, my answers to some of your questions. I believe that residents of mogadishu have every right to defend themselves, properties and dignity and faith, if they choose islam as their faith, its should not be for convenience, its a complete set of a devine regimen, applying parts of it and discarding parts is more damaging to Islam as a brand as it makes it ineffective. ( The Sharia will only be applied on common thiefs, not on powerful head of Qabiil) From architecture point of view if you will ( or Anarchitecture in our case), the question that bounces back at you for your suggestion is, if we have to build a wholesome house, shouldnt all parts of the house be designed in a way that will complemet each other? shouldnt they all conform to a standard upon which they will all aspects seamlessly fit? As for your theory of gradual application, in a way I find it conflicting with your previously held stand ( Qowlul Qadeem) that we should stick with Quraan and Sunnah to the fullest without compromise, for which I have shifted my views of gradual change and preferred yours to my old view, its precisely the same argument that will accomodate a female head of state as a need based solution for the Ummah at these troubling times, if we indeed open the door to this gradual change theory, like science of genetics, no one will know where it will lead, its scary at best, we need either a past history of success following this method, or a detailed strategy of how it will happen, you know me, I am flexible, I dont have a permanent position on any issue, just a permanant search of Allah through the guidance of His prophet SAWS Sunnah. Finally about your question on Maqaasidul Shariica on this issue? You see Xiin walaal, Fiqhul Usuul and Maqaasidul Shariica are two complementary disciplines in islamic Jurisprudnece: 1. Fiqhul Usuul, deals with how things are. Its based on proofs ( addillah). In other words, the letter of the law. 2. Maqaasidul Shariica, deals with how things can be. Its based on what the lawmaker intended behind legislation. In other words, the Moral of The law In the application of Sharia law, Maqasidul Sharia places the protection of the Sharia in the first priority level, one notch higher than the protection of life, as you have seen, if Sharia is in place human life, property and dignity can be protected, if its not, then we shall continue in the anarchy in Somalia.? therefore, in order to apply the sharia fully, as first priority, all necessary means must be considered, however, it should never be compromised expediciously due to a passing need. Nur

Nomads Our people are suffering under the misguided world government of Cofee Anan and Rains strorms / floods, Please pray for the UIC victory in bringing peace to our country, against blood thirsty warlords and their supporters. They have never cared for the plight of the miserable people, now that the UIC with Allah's help have provided peace, the warlords and their international sponsors of death and devastation are yet to kill more people in Somalia, they have just approved containers of weopons to be delivered for killing more people, no food, just more bullets for Somalis, courtesy of the UN, AU, IGAD, USA and EU. Prayer Volunteers are needed to pray around the clock next Friday, from New Zealand to Vancouver, every volunteer has to pray for thirty minutes ( as many rakats as possible), which means we need, 48 volunteers, prayers around the globe. Please confirm on this page Nur

Ngonge writes; " Beheading is such a dull way to punish someone. Stoning is much more exciting and allows for more crowd participation. Only the ‘hands on’ approach will help remind the crowd of what they stand to lose if they don’t pray. Unless of course they already had their hands cut off. " Subxaanallah! Allah says in Quraan: "Laa yus'alu cammaa yafcalu wa hum yus'aluun" Meaning: (Allah) is not questioned of His deeds, while (all others) are questioned ( By Allah) You seem to be questioning the validity of Allahs law, with a tilt. These words show either a serious direspect to the Law Giver, weakness of iman in Allah and day of judgment, his Books, Messages and Messengers, or a sheer ignorance of Islam in general, the price of such contempt of the law giver, this instance Allah is grave, you will only know the truth of this statement after death, I only pray that you quickly repent and approach your maker with humility. Dont please mortals to anger Allah. Stoning is a superior and best fit deterrent punishment to administer for the discouragement of marraige infidelity ( not for prayer deserters ) Marriage infidelity is so bad a crime, not only does it cause irreparable family break up, bloody vendettas, unsupervised kids who grow to become criminals and drug addicts, thieves, and/or desease ridden societies, abortions aka killing of infants, jails infested with pervertion. Nur

Reality Check By complaining only about my humor with Socod badane about your ellusive tactics in dabating, I assume that you agree with my last response to you. At least we have finally proved that opposing the Prophet is a GRAVE SIN that leads to KUFR. its rather strange though that you dont see what Socod Badane Said about you in the first place as an insult, indeed its strange, I am beginning to doubt about your motives on this forum, you avoid answering the questions that were leading to answer your question, and then you cry INSULT everytime you become frustrated for being unable to debate logically. To be taken seriously, be honest with yourself first when you debate, dont be ellusive sis, it is an honest advice. Nur