whatever works, right Sade? by the way on an unrelated matter, everytime I see your name, I hear the opening beats to "No ordinary Love".

According to a news report, a certain private school in Washington recently was faced with a unique problem. A number of 12-year-old girls were beginning to use lipstick and would put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their lipstick they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little lip prints. Every night the maintenance man would remove them and the next day, the girls would put them back. Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called all the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man. She explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how difficult it had been to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance man to show the girls how much effort was required. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it in the toilet, and cleaned the mirror with it. Since then, there have been no lip prints on the mirror. There are teachers, and then there are educators.

I can't stand women who : 1) Lack Responsiblity - Stop pointing fingers and help solve the problem. Assess solution not fault 2) Lack Loyalty/appreciation - Through the good times and the bad. to quote a hadeeth posted by sweet_gal "“They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1052) " 3)Lack xishood - The ones who love being the center of attention, always stirring up controversy by inappropriate behaviour and dress code. Loud and self-centered just to heard. 4)Lack decency - that one's self explanatory.

I can't stand men who: 1)Lack Drive and Ambition - The poor souls who gave up on life and now live to observe an critize what everyone else does. 2)Lack Reslove - The ones that can't finish what they start - Say what you mean and Do what you say. Be proud of what you achieve and take responsiblity for your mistakes and failures. 3)Lack Testicular Fortitude - The ones who need approval and consent to do what they want. You know the rules, work within them, do what you do and don't apologize for yourself or anyone else. 4)Lack Appreciation - The ones who are never happy with what they have and burn inside when someone else does better. They want everything they have plus what you have and will sabotage you to get it. how about having some Imaan, Help those who need it and be happy for those that don't.

No book has yet been written in praise of a woman who let her husband and children starve or suffer while she invented even the most useful things, or wrote books, or expressed herself in art, or evolved philosophic systems. Anna Garlin Spencer: Woman's Share in Social Culture, 1912 DA, I'm sorry you feel bashed, that's not my intention. and I'm disappointed that you think I'm frustrated by your success and I'm trying to hold you down. I'm trying to share ideas from my point of view. Why do you feel so threatened by that? I said in the first post of this topic that we shouldn't let this get to a shouting match where we all point fingers and no questions are answered. I have faith in my intellectual ability to support my arguments. Do you?

Can we stop the male-bashing thats rampant in SOL these days. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

you will never understand a woman....The thing with you men is you guys think that the perfect "feminine" woman should only be motivated by love of husband and children....and that they wil be fullfilled once they accomplish this....its not like that...Bambina pointed this out " Do u guys think it's easy for women to stay at home all the time? Unlike you guys women are locked up in their homes running after kids , cooking and cleaning.If for u its cool to have a nice meal waitin for u when coming back from home ,for the woman it might have been a crazy day.A woman is not only a mum but a lady who needs to prove to herself and not to the world that she's capable of using other skills besides taking care of children and thats why she needs to work." Yes, women want to have a loving husband and care for their children...but we have other wants.....we want to own a business..we want to design clothes...we want to be computer engineers...we want to be a sports athlete..we want to work in the governemt... we want to be doctors/nurses/therapist/geographers....we want to ...make... a ..change...and this is a self-fulfillment P_S, I think we understand very well. I'm sure the same apply to men who work to support a family. There are some very important things to be considered here. Most of us are stuck in jobs that we don't like to make ends meets. It's very rare to find someone who is doing there dream job. The reason for that is priority. The career's you have in mind are not instantly achieved, they require a lot of time and a lot of committment. Specializing in any field means you sacrifice, it be the best you have to live and breath that career. P_S, do you think men don't want that presitge, that payoff at the end of it. BUT at what cost? Lets be real here, ladies and gentlemen. Help me calculate a timeline to success. Lets same both the man and the woman are 20yrs old and have goals of becoming either Doctors or Lawyers or Engineers etc. 1)How long does it take to develop a career? 2)While one chases that career goal, I guess the other one has to work to pay the bills, right? 3)Who goes first? 4)How long do you wait before you have kids? 5)If you have kids early how do you care for them? Help me out here? Some of you have answers...it's time to share. Show me how this works.

Originally posted by x_quizit: how about u focus on ur male counterparts who are mostly irreponsible qaad chewing, coffeetime drinking bunch, who have put education/building a career secondary since they got welfare to support 'em. Like they say, people living in a glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones, meaning often men who don't have good education or good jobs are the first one to start pointing the finger at a woman, saying what's wrong with her, without first evaluating their SHORTcomings. "Hell Hath No Fury Like A Woman Scorned". I'm no expert but you sound like you've been burned and might explain the bitter tone. You have a one track mind, sister, in your world men are the enemy. And I can't be bothered to reason with that poisoned logic. Peace be unto you, Sister.

Oh man, they got you too??!!?? :eek: ...JUST KINDING . Congratulations. For all of your lives, may you find in each other the friend of your heart…the joy of your world…the love of your life! Congratulations

I heard the Sultan of Oman is gay...any truth to that? can anyone confirm?

you're twisting it a little to sound bad...but YES, that's exactly what I'm saying. cause what ever accusation you're making on me going out and bring home the beef, would apply just as equally to the mother who would leave her children to go to work. Right?

Do you think careers are exclusively a man's "thing"? No I don't. I think family comes first. Needs have to be met (as OG_girl clearly illustrated). Relative to your situation, if you have no man to provide for you, by all means do your thing and feed your kids. I'm against people (men & women) who use their homes as a short break between all the things they have to get done in the little time they have. I'll break my back to make sure my woman get everything she needs to make that house a home that allows proper raising for our kids. I PREFER she handle that and let me tackle all the external things. isn't that what a team is? a family that can share responsibilty? She handles local and I handle State and Federal.

DA, In your opinion, can a woman to stay home and raise a family instead of trying to balance it with a career? is it an appropriate option?

are you all that afraid of women with options No, I'm afraid of women making regrettable decisions. Isn't the divorce rate above 50% nowadays. That's a proof men are not always around. Look at the somali demographics. Didn't you notice all those women who have 5 kids but no husband in sight? Why is the divorce rate so high? is all the man's fault. Maybe the fact that mommy's never home has something to do with. Divorce remains at historic highs compared with the 1950s. Analyses of baby-boomer couples suggest that one-half of their first marriages will end in divorce or separation. Many analysts attribute the rise in divorce to the economic independence engendered by women's increased presence in the labor force. http://asweb.artsci.uc.edu/sociology/kunzctr/stats.htm#Marriage%20and%20Divorce Read the whole report, it's pretty interesting. College graduate women with both family and career had a divorce rate that was 20 to 30 percent higher than average for the entire group of college http://www.harvard-magazine.com/issues/mj96/right.love.html That article is even better, read the whole thing. Out of the 12 wives of the Prophet (S.A.W) you choose 1 and ignore the rest. Khadija was not a career woman in today's slave-like corporate world. She headed her own business and prioritized her time. The amazing strength to pull that off is rare. If you've got it, more power to you. My main point (as always) is being a house-wife doesn't make you less of a human being, 11 wives of the Prophet (S.A.W) can be your examples on that. AND pursuing a career in this "cutthroat world" doesn't necessarily make you a better person.

DA, since you have this all figured out, where does your husband fit in your master plan? What's his role? If he's that expendable, what good is he to you? Let's talk about the man you're looking for. Elusive subject around here. Tell me about him. Convince me you're not a lesbian man-hating bra-burning psychotic woman with no feminine grace. I said nothing about denying women education, and I'm disturbed how you and your posse always raise that issue (you can quote me if I said you shouldn't get an education). Am I wrong to think you don't trust your man to be around? be a father to your kids and provide for you? Where is this phobia coming from that all men are cheating dogs that will bail out on you when you need them most? Polite request: Can I ask that we don't let this discussion escalate into a conflict? I made no attacks at anyone present. can I expect the same in your replys?

What is a feminine woman( as opposed to a feminist)? 1) A feminine woman is motivated by love of husband and children. She is the heart of the family, devoted to her husband and children's wellbeing. This is her career. A woman who is preoccupied with another demanding career cannot pay attention to her family. Love is mainly paying attention. There is a New Yorker cartoon where a child is wearing a welder's mask and using a blowtorch to write, "I need love" on the living room wall. His mother says to her friend: "He's just doing that to get attention." A feminine woman may have another career but it is her second priority. She is not driven by personal ambition. I liked the movie "Legally Blonde" because the heroine showed that she could excel in the work world but why bother? She had a more important goal: a husband and family. Career is a feminist lie. Since when are careers the source of human fulfillment? What is so great about being an Assistant Loan Manager at a bank? Is society expected to provide successive legions of eager feminists with "fulfilling" careers to compensate for their loveless lives? 2)Feminists are teaching women to be "strong and independent." This is not feminine. Men respond to a woman's need. We want to rescue the damsel in distress and to win her favors. This archetype is also innate in women. She wants to be enlisted by a man. A feminine woman DEPENDS on a man. This doesn't mean she is an emotional waif. She is competent but she doesn't pretend to be independent. Men and women need each other to be whole. As long as I have my wife, I am self-sufficient. So is she. 3)Just as the woman is the heart of the family, the man is the head and shoulders. A feminine woman is her husband's partner. They make decisions together but he has the last word. Men must be the visionaries, the navigators, and the captains. A woman's most important decision is the man she chooses to love. 4)A feminine woman is reserved. She wants a man to pay attention to "her" so she doesn't flaunt her sexuality. A woman wants to be loved more than anything in the world. She wants to be "known" in all her divinity. This happens when she is truly loved. Is it a coincidence the Bible uses the word "know" as in Abraham "knew" Sarah, to speak of sexual intercourse? All women are beautiful when they are loved. Women's liberation has taught women to pursue sex for its own sake, as though they were men. This is not feminine. If a man prefers a new car, why would he marry a "used" woman? He doesn't want a car that's been driven by a lot of men. He doesn't know where it's been, what damage has been done. He will choose a brand new car. In my wife's words: "A man wants to be a woman's first lover; a woman wants to be his last." I'm not saying all women should save their virginity until marriage but certainly sex should be reserved for honest, loving relationships. Men need to stop looking for sex and start looking for the right woman. That's the only guarantee of sex anyway. If men chose wives with the same attention as cars, more marriages would succeed. Women are the vehicles to the future, in terms of emotional fulfillment and family. If men knew where they wanted to go, they would choose women who would get them there. They would not be blinded by sex. 5)A feminine woman tries to please the man she loves. No, this has not been outlawed, it just seems that way. A feminine woman generates love by giving love. She empowers her man by believing in him. Love is expressed in actions and effort. Baking a pie is an act of love. So is making the home beautiful. Are we so blind, impoverished and demoralized that we cannot appreciate this? Why have we allowed feminists to stigmatize homemaking? Women would be more than happy to be homemakers if it received the recognition and appreciation that it deserves. A feminine woman has grace, beauty and wisdom. These all come from staying in touch with her spirit and not pursuing an exhausting career that requires masculine qualities.

By the way X-quizit, why don't u cool off and letUnderdog take u out for coffee or to the lake It will be a memorable time all for next to no money cause UD is a PIMP like dat. PIMP??? why don't you take it easy there, 50 cent. By the way, the lake is place to relax and enjoy....if she wants to go I'll take her to a club where I don't have to hear her speak. X, how's your dance moves? About taking Khayr to the lake, there's a women's beach volley-ball spot by the lake and they practice every day between 6 and 8...so Bro, if you wanna roll, we can roll .

Illegal parking. (City of Toronto) You know those situations when you have to park in the city but there's just no where to park without getting towed? Well if you're going to risk it anyway, park on private property (someones business parking lot). If you get towed you an go to the impound and DEMAND your vehicle back without paying for the towing charges. the charges will go to the property owner and all you pay for is the $15 parking ticket. If your car gets towed off a city street, then you have to pay the tow charges cause the city CAN and WILL hold your car.

My take is simple: I have no take on the issue. The basis of the whole thing is wrong and is a blatant sin. In order to discuss gay marriage you have to get past the fact that it's wrong. The people who are concerned with the gay marriage issue have already put in their minds that "being" gay is OK, now they're moving on to getting legal rights as such. Since we're all against "being" gay, it doesn't matter what they "should" be entitled to. To me it's still very much a crime and a dirty sin, there is NO take on anything beyond that.

Originally posted by Qac Qaac: qiic aan kaa kicin lahaa. Burjiko maan ahay misee baabuur olyodi iyo biyihi iskudare

X, if you're gonna get all defensive and aggressive (not to mention off topic), I give up, you win. and if you feel the need to have the last word, go ahead and take another shot.

Originally posted by x_quizit: Actually a lot of crimes occur right under the nose of authority and in bright daylight. Faraxs are unpredictable creatures,YES means YES to them, and no means YES to them, so forgive me for not giving the macawis warriors the benefit of the doubt. And it doesnt have to be something drastic, they can just become stalkers, where they would wait for u at usual times, where they saw u, or be at places they think u will be, if u told them alot about u. PARANOID Hey just cause someone shows interest in you doesn't mean he's a stalker. Unless you're quick (which you don't sound to be) and you slipped him your number or made plans at that 1st encounter, chances are he'll have to wait for u at usual times, where they saw u, or be at places they think u will be. Now you might be an amatuer at this whole courtship thing BUT get a note pad and a pen and take some notes (pop quiz at the end of next week): a)My intentions MAY go from pure to opportunistic if you jot me down your digits at a bus-stop 2 minutes after we met. b)I might need to observe you at usual times, where they I saw u, or be at places I think u will be so that I'm sure the second and third impression are as good as the first and that whatever I saw the first time is not a "situational optical illusion" c)The misinterpretation of "No" as "maybe" is backed by years of female indecision. "Hard-to-get" is a time honoured and respected tactic used by women and understood by men. You want me to leave you alone, stick a finger down your throat and throw up...there's no confusion there. By the way, X_quisit, on the topic of "macawiis warriors", I have (for the short time I've "known" you) never seen you say a single positive thing about the men of your culture. So since you sound like "your bread is buttered somewhere else" you should probably stop worrying about what we think and say....or are we making you look bad?

Originally posted by x_quizit: LOL Ud, and the next thing we hear, if something happened to us, the farax took advantage or something, WE would get blamed for "leading" the poor man on...men...they never know what they want...can't live with them, can't live w/o them...well, maybe i can, with a few batteries...for my remote!!! u sick ppl!!!! They got the new ones with the wireless remote, I saw that on the Saturday night sex show . "If something happened to us"??? come on now, nothing happens in public and most guys can resist the urge to drag you off (I hope so anyway).

Sheekadaan wax badan aan iska ilaaliye. Laakin, I gotta say something. QacQaac Toshaka saad dadka kale ugushideeyda aa hadaa kuwii kulatagnaay kuqabatey. Covert operation aad tabele weyn kudhejisey. Caramel_kisses difaac adag aad gashey, lakin, umabahnid, "Vintage" add tahay dadka qar mafahamikaraan. Tuujiye, ayan dhaxdaas aah aad spotlightka ii saarte...hadana niin waalan aa kusaare..it's all good, what goes around comes around. Qac qaac, I got one question for you (for the sake of everyones safety I'll keep it simple) why did you pick these four people and whats the point of knowing what people think of them?

See, It seems the general idea around here is Flirting is wrong. beware of this, watch out for that, if you get the signals- run!!! What the big deal??? If you're at the bus stop and faarax is flirting, flirt back, make the trip a little more interesting. If someone's starring at you, blow them a kiss or wink. Too many of you are living very secluded lives and some of you just borderline freaks.