Smithy: What are you upto???? What devious pland are you cooking up now? And I bet you are not alone in this scheme of yours? As for the somali populas stats--if you have some assigment to do and you need our help-just ask? no need to be smart about it! Besides they readlily available in many org and communities. AD

Horn You just kills us with your humuour. Please! Dusty

"but fear not as I know for a fact that federalist proponents are of that very citys" Common now Sami you know better than that. Need I remind you May 18th 1991 was indeed no where else other then................ I hope that one lost soul like Hadarwi has not got the better of your judgement something sure has got his . No if I was to jump on this band wagon, I feel I will be lost forever. SO thanks but no thanks right now I am in place that is " Jano Jano ku sug" and not even Samuria on his knees (although it is very tempting monauvre) can change that. Wsalaam. Angel.

"wants to blow the trumpets of her successes whilst failing to acknowledge any dismal debacle on her side. This continuous barrage of deprecations by Edna against other Somalis speaks nothing more than sheer ignorance." Libax Very befitting comments from SOL moderators who were "supposedly" meant to be nuetral! Samuria I shall not be joining you on this journey of yours to find your "centre" for I have indeed managed to find such a place in the heart of beautifull Somaliland and literally its the heart and centre of SL- this place is indeed no other then pretty in dust Burco ( hence the nick ). So I shall leave you and the other displaced nomads to this journey. Dusty.

Shuji Sweetheart that is enough whinning and cries for today. Till such time you overcome this infatuation with Sami. Angel

Shuji Chill--you have one hell of a complex and please jump off this horse called " Sami_Gal". Love to know why u so infatuated with the sister...or was it a case of her rejecting your advances . Horn, No comment on you bro (always the stale mate-damn). But happy to see you got over your fear of Ethopia

Shujui ( looking a lot like Samuria) walah you have no shame I mean a minute ago you where accused of being on the net an now you track Sami Gal to other sites!! Now now who has no leggs to stand on.. was it a case of cry thief before being caught. Silly you.....keep track of your arguments before you expose yuorself like that. Laqiye ( Awoowe Bari_Nomad) R/karim - So if u understood my inguinty I dare you to decipher it for me--for I can bet my last two pence u didn't. All the TIRIS, the tits for tats and all the tira's make me question if I am in same gender company. Diric n ALL. SNM Lass Dusty

Here we go Round two "I neither like or dislike you" now now Shuji no need to get verbal- I said cheer up not beef uP- Liqaye Being compared to Sami Gal is indeed a compliment indeed the sister has you all gagging after her after all these time. Obviously you did not make the same impression on her for she is no longer around- NO talent and no challenge is one's experience with Putland equipe on SOL. EN PLus I did understand your lame anology with the rose but did you udnertand the mine with the THORNS??? SNM ANGEL Dusty

Shujui If you want to be Sami----so be it ( I guess only the moderators can settle this one). It takes one to know one hon--so for you to know how much time I spend here indictes that you also spend equall amount of time here lol. PS: I have been away for quite a bit ACTUALLY--nice to know you missed me. Angel

I would Shujui ONLY I am very content with the one I have right now....can the same be siad for you? Cheer-UP Shujui

Man, Dont I just now how to get this qafash crowd going!! Some times it is so easy to the point it bores me. Smithy can I please quote you on this: "Mogadishu has 180,000 children in full time education, a University that now offers Postgraduate education. It has 3 private TV stations with 7 radio stations. So my dear what progress are you talking about, in the south there are more areas in peace than there is war, people are organising their lives and things are changing everyday" Mansha Allah but Smithy " nin is fanshay wa rii is nugtay". Besides since when are you the champion of Mogadhisho....Puqland not so appealing lately huh!! Uncle Samuria When will you learn to stop devaiting from the topic in hand. Can I just say your never eroding interest in moi and Somaliland and her subjects is very unhealthy. Samuria, now that SL is deporting all aliens....what is to become of subjects like you who cliam "place de naisance" ?? Liqaye " A rose by any other name is still a rose" R&J-Shakespeare. Now I am not Sami-Gal, but if you want to insist I will be humbled to wear her shoes although I must admit it is a monumental task---- FRANKLY the sister kicked *** and Some here namely Smuria and Co( consisting of Horn, Smithy and Bari) have been known to Suffer from Sami_Syndrome. One more point, If I am to be a rose then the two THORNS are???????? SNM AnGEL Dusty

Well dear Southern Brothers THE TRUTHS HURTS. See the problems with the southerns is that they almost always take things out of context to put thier views across. It is one thing to state that Edna highlights the problems with the South as the main " difference" btween the two countries but it is another thing to lie and say she takes pride in it. Let me remind Dr Edna is a Somalilander and we are simply above such feeble sentiments. Yes Edna highlights the diffrences between the two countries becuase we are so totally different from principals to mannersims to behaviour. Dont delude yourselves we are not the same, we have never been and never will be. Typical of you guys, not one Somali batted an eye lide when Black Hawk Down was being screened all over the globe which depicted you guys as savages with no shame. Thus we must where necessary remind and demonstrate to the world how "Starlkly " different we are. But on the other hand it is so blatantly obvious that I must agree Dr Adna needs not bother. Somalilander Thro and Thro

I see the old man Samuria is still at. No rest for the wicked eh! Uncle give it a rest will you! Your obsession with Somaliland along with your die hard haters ( bari, Horn, Smithy) are getting tiresome and FRANKLY BORING. Get a new hoppy perhaps you should all look for your newest host of your zillions attempt to reconcile. Patethic. It is just beyond me how Somalis have the odacity to even mutter a word against Somaliland. But then envy is man's deadliest sin! Boringly Dusty.

Guraad Sweety keep dreaming---becuase all these unfounded allegations will amount to nothing apart from keeping few (no names being mentioned here) entratained. So enjoy. PS: I thought the meeting callopsed?? Whose is left there now, C/yusuf, his gang and the ethopian and Kenyan authority!! Some authority huh! Some how this committee does not excite ANY THING! :confused: Boringggggggggggggggggggggg

Easy Guraad without Cries What I can make out of you FUSSY CRIES is that you attacked BURCO AND BERBERA??? PLEASE BRING ME THE DATES>>>>>>I HAVE ONE WORD OF ADVICE FOR YOU CAYNBA IS UNDER WHOSE CONTROL AND WHO HAD HISTORICAL CLAIM?>>>CASE RESTED Secondly I took your advice to heart and asked my elders and this is what they told me: Masaakiin la dhaco waydinkii moodey reerahae Marraaq lagu gubto iyo bay noqdeen muriyo waabaye Muusiyo Qudeer uga aroor maalki reer Hagare Imikay ku meermeerayaan Miilo iyo Laase Madda kama helaan inamadii magaca waynaaye MadaxGaallo iyo Toommo iyo Magan Xawaalkiisa Maatadu haraad Samataroow waa ku madhataaye Moqorraysta waataad arliga madhax u diiddeene Kana macaasha waataad in badan maya lahaydeene Malatari cadhoodaa lafbuu malaw ka siiyaaye Maroodiguba soo jeesigaan maaro loo heline Malyoon lagu dhinto bay dhigeen marinkii ceelkiiye Ragse hadu magliga soo rogtoo kala maqnaan waayo Muslin iyo kufriba waa inay maalin diriraane maatada rasaas lala dhacaa malaha maamuuse Makhrib reero degey tuugag baa mira habeenkiiye Marjaf lama ammaanee baqii magane yuu raacay Misir iyo Madheedh iyo Galgalo maye ragi joogay Mataanaha gobka le Kahinaw waa lagama marmaane Maryo Dhiig le baa lagu furtay iyo mayd la qawracaye Iminkaan masqaro loo dilayn meel nin jiifsadaye Mudo aan yarayn baan Nugaal muranto taagnayde Ay qoloba qolo maaganayd inay maquunshaane Allaylehe Isak baa mulkiyey maaxdi Caynaba'e

LONLEY PLANET:Somaliland Visas, Embassies & Border Crossings You need a Somaliland visa for Somaliland. A Somalia visa is not accepted. You can get a Somaliland visa in Addis Ababa (Ethiopia). I don't think any other country issues one. In Addis, you have to find the Somaliland liaison office. Phone is 63-59-21. Find the Awraris Hotel, which is across the street from the St. Gabriel Hospital. Follow the dirt road that runs down the side of the Awraris Hotel for 200 metres, turn right and continue another 200 metres. The office looks like a large house and sits on a corner on the left side of the road. There is no flag or other distinguishing marking indicating the office. Look for doormen. The visa is 250 Ethiopian Birr (US$30) and is issued on the spot. It's good for 1 month. As Somaliland is not recognized by any other nation, no foreign consulates or embassies exist. The land border between Djibouti and Somaliland has been closed for sometime now. The border between Jijiga (Ethiopia) and Hargeisa seems to be opened and closed sporadically. Recently it has been closed due to a customs dispute. Check before you try this. The easiest way to get to Somaliland is by air. There are flights 3 times a week to and from Djibouti. You can't get a Somaliland visa in Djibouti and you can't get a Djibouti visa in Somaliland. So you'll have to arrange that before you get there. You can get a Somaliland visa in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia and there are flights to Hargeisa via Dire Dawa (Ethiopia) 4 times a week. Any travel east into Puntland or Bosaso will require a Somalia visa. Dave Dissette, Canada (May 03) The overland border crossing from Somaliland to Ethiopia is easy: at the border post on the Nabadeed - Jijiga road the soldiers (bored out of skull and excited to see a strange passport) just check that you have an Ethiopian looking visa. Once in Jijiga, for a few extra birr the bus driver will take you to the immigration office, where the stamp is a breeze. Kari Eloranta, Finland (Jan 03) Travel Tips Most, if not all the people are Muslim. So all the usual social conducts apply. Foreign women should dress accordingly (arms covered, no shorts). Foreign men should wear long pants as you never see Somali men in shorts (except if you're swimming in the ocean in Berbera). Don't eat with your left hand. Be careful photographing women or speaking to them. Although a thumbs up is a sign signifying that everything is OK, in certain circles it means something very derogatory, so you might want to refrain from using it. Everyone in Somaliland speaks Somali. English and French are also widely spoken. Everything is written in the Roman alphabet. In Somaliland, if it's written with an 'X', it's pronounced a throaty "gh". Since many people have lived abroad during the troubles and have returned home now that it is safe, a variety of European languages are spoken. There are a couple of banks in Hargeisa, none however are open to the public. 'Money Changers' are found in all the towns and villages. They can be found in exchange shops or just sitting on the street under umbrellas in front of chicken wire cages packed solid with shillings. Their rates are all identical. Traveller's cheques are useless. US dollars are best but in Hargeisa many currencies can be changed including Euros and even Ethiopian Birr. It's best to change a small amount at a time because, if you change US$100, you'll end up with a backpack full of notes. There maybe the possibilities of mines in certain areas. Check with locals before you go hiking. If you go hiking bring plenty of water, as even in the winter it can get really hot around midday. Las Anod in the south is off limits to foreign travellers. "Qureh" means breakfast, "Quado" means lunch and "Asho" means dinner. Traditionally, breakfasts usually consist of fried liver, heart or kidney served in a gravy with bread or on its own with a few vegetables (tomato, raw onion) and bread. Another common local favourite is "Laxoox" which is like "Iujera" in Ethiopia (a soggy pancake), often with meat broth mixed with sugar poured over it. It tastes much better than it sounds. Lunch is often the largest meal of the day. Lunch and dinner are often more or less the same thing. Meat in the form of goat with or without a gravy which may or may not have some vegetables floating in it, accompanied by rice and/or spaghetti noodles and it may or may not come with a salad and/or soup. You can get this also with fish. Whatever you order it always comes with bread. Vegetarians will have a hard time in Somaliland, as everything seems to have a meat base. Even noodles and rice seem to have an underlying meat broth taste. You cannot get any alcoholic beverages in Somaliland. Locals caught with it face severe prison terms. You can get your usual soft drinks but fresh squeezed juice is usually limited to papaya. Other fruit juices like orange and lemon are usually made from cordial concentrate and local water. Bottled water is widely available and in most cases the local water is perfectly fine as well. Nobody in local restaurants expect tips and, if you do leave one, they often assume that you've miscounted your massive pile of notes and it's usually returned, unless it's less than 500 shillings. Tourism in Somaliland is very rare. Most of the foreigners found here are working for various agencies from abroad. As a tourist your whereabouts are monitored. When you arive in any place it's a good idea to report to the police station. If you don't then chances are they will find you anyway. In Berbera you'll need a photocopy of your passport and visa - there are many photocopy shops around. Everyone is always very friendly and in smaller towns you're often introduced to the mayor. As tourism is rare they are somewhat wary of spies and journalists. The down side to all of this is that they will try to encourage you to take guides, and on occasion police escorts, which will be at your own expense. This is all completely unnecessary and you can usually talk your way around it. Dave Dissette, Canada (May 03) Moving About Unless you're trying to get to Erigavo which requires at least 2 days by vehicle if you're lucky enough to find one, air travel is not necessary as roads are relatively good and distances are short. Buses cover the major routes and are very inexpensive. Shared taxis generally consist of 1 passenger in the front, 4 in the back and 1 or 2 in the back-back. The are slightly more expensive than a bus. On some routes these are the only option. The advantage is that they are faster than a bus, you have the option of buying up more seat space and you can always get the driver to stop if you want to take a photo. The luggage on the roof is no extra charge. Pickup trucks are the cheapest option and are best used only on short routes, unless you want to get sunstroke. Mini buses run up and down the main street area of Hargeisa and are good if you're tired of walking in the midday sun. Dave Dissette, Canada (May 03) Scams & Warnings Burao is the second largest city in Somaliland. It is very flat and spread out and is the main livestock market area for Somaliland. You definitely feel like you've crossed some imaginary border as you see civilians with automatic weapons and the atmosphere is not quite as friendly as it is in the rest of Somaliland. It is very unwise to even be seen with a camera on the streets here as you could get arrested and/or have your film confiscated for reasons unknown to you. Also the Secret Police will find you quickly here so it's probably best to be in the process of looking for the police station when they do. Dave Dissette, Canada (May 03) Gems, Highlights & Attractions The beach is the main attraction in Berbera. It's about 4kms from town. If you wish to walk there bring lots of water, as there is no shade and no ride back once you're there. Look for any dirt road leading north. Hit the shoreline and continue walking east past graveyards until you come to a small building. The beautiful beach and warm sea stretches east from there. You'll most likely have the place to yourself. You can also arrange for a taxi to take you out there, wait for you and bring you back. This will cost 35,000 shillings for 1½ - 2 hours, depending on whether the taxi driver swims with you or not. If getting a taxi, don't confuse Bataalelaha Beach (sand beach) with Bataale Beach, which is only 1 ½ kms from town and is rocky and has graveyards. Dave Dissette, Canada (May 03)

I have given up on this site becuase it became apparnt to me that the admin where indeed no other than Puqlanders themsleves and thus this is no "free and fair" forum. But need to say a couple of words on : Guraad, Since you are advocating for war...please tell me who you plan to go war with? And if god forbid, there was indeed war between arti and Isaks, who do you think will have thier asses kicked? give you a hint it wont be the isaks.....history alone attests to this. SO please be wise like your elders back home and be grateful for the mercy we have shown you time and time again. Bari, taking things out of contest is really not a great art. There are no weapons in Burco well apart from the odd Budh! Somaliland forever, On the above petition, desperate is understatement here! And then you all say we are not crying after Somaliland. OG Moti, Stick to chasing little girls on the net. That Somaliland has never need SOmalia. Indeed we build and kept Somalia togther. Without us there will never be SOmalia....just look at the state of play now. So please keep your naive opinions to yourself. Peace Angle@ Somaliland

Ameenah, I give up! As you said you will never understand! Peace and lets leave it at that.

Amuun Sis, I take your points on board and having re read my post understand where you are coming from. It was never my intention to incinuate that being women is a bad thing on the contrary sis but merly wanted to demonstrate that I find his/thier actions too much similar to that of women thus I see no grounds as to why I should consider them men ( if yuo read thier insult to SL ladies-you will understand where my answer is going). On the issue of participation, I think that is upto indiviauls. I am glad I have come to discover how much hate Putland men have for Somaliland. As they say keep your friends close and keep your enemies EVEN closer. Dusty.

Punite & Bari What Men? Hon it is clear from this Puntland site that indeed the region lacks "the male" species. Common, the best the place has to offer is you, Bunite, Smith and Co....hardly a description of men now are you? My description of men is when I can differntiate between him and me. Now lets look at Bari-you femanine traits include: Gossip constant whining Saar fever on SL Spreading unfounded remours triggered by jelousy. Rag wada niic ah ! not our cuppa of tea Dusty

NO man's land that is where Yusuf. See these people try and come here and convincve others that their land is lush and lavish when it is infact plain desert--Arid. Garad and co....before you convince others convince yoursleves 1st. I have nothing against Putland's development infact I hope it prosporous BUT on the same token remember you are now taking the footsteps that we too back in 1991 and for that fact alone will always be LIGHT YEARS AHEAD. No enny or Hate btother just PLAIN FACTS. Dusty.

The first day I joined SOL ---I gave some useful advice to my brethern from the South and mainly Putlanders and my advice still stands: Please take care of your """" before you bad mouth mine. Samuria at least our airports are influxed with people-hence international. I put to you: 1 do you even have one? 2 if you do, is there a runway, facilities or is the reality that it is crossed by both people and herds at the same time?? 3 do you guys even care about improving the situation and bring it to the forefornt of discussions? All the hardships facing our economy my brother is not but time constraints. ROME Was not built in a day. We built a Country to be proud of in Ten yrs. What imagine you:we can do the next in the ten years!! the GALAXY is the limit as far we are concerned. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH YOUR LIFE ONCE SOMALILAND IS FULL OF STATE OF the ART AIRPORTS AND AMENITIES ALIKE? WHAT DO YOU DO APART FROM SERVING UP AND DOWN THE NET LOOKING FOR ARTICLES THAT YOU CAN MINPULATE! DONT YOU THINK THIS OPPOSITION WITH SOMALILAND IS A LITTLE WORRYING?? WHEN YOU CASH YOUR PENSION BOOK< DO YOU WISH YOU HAD MORE SO YOU COULD DESTORY SOMALILAND? I MEAN COMMON TELL ME SAMURIA I NEED TO UNDERSTAMD WHERE THIS PORFOUND JELOUSY AND HATE STEMS FROM? Could it infact be BIOLOGICAL? IF SO can we conclude that all Putlanders are affected? People I need explianations---it is just not possible that a whole bunch of people are full such malice. D.has Q's hope some one can provide me some A's Somalilander

Amiin Gediid Somaliweyn walahi you should have at least an ounce of decency-but I guess even an ounce is too much to expect.

Mystery Sis walahi one can not help feel but SORRY for our brother from the south. Thier whining and cries is none starter. I think they are suffering from a complex issues. They try to project thier lack of confidence and self steem on us. Man I feel for them. Put it this way when one Somaliland sister can kick thier asses like this-|DAMN and this is just ONE sister_Shame . D. PS: Bari_Nomad "Sarka" kuhaya ee Somaliland will not go away until you put a red dira on--but if all your other mannersims is femmine ie whining, non stop chatter-spreading baseless gossip and remours I say what stops one from wearing the damn thing.

Guraad, You are ALL welcome to be part of Somalia however, rest assure Somaliland's land will stay intact. So the choice is your leave and close the door behind you. Please cry--there is hardly anything to carry for sxb!