Originally posted by Abwaan: Gabbal I am sorry I don't wanna discuss anything with you in private. Anigu sanduuq wax lagu qarsado ma ahi wixii aad qabtid inta keen intaad assumption iyo sidaas bay ahayd iska deysid! Hm, this is bit of an immature conduct on your part you do not think? Gardarada anigaa igu maqantahay awoowe, it seems you had taken my earlier response more personal than I assumed.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: Gabbal, you have posted a news briefing article which shows hints that Siyaad may have been plotting to overthrow the government way before the actual date. Not much else is there awoowe. Somali tribes were armed to the teeth since the era of the Mad Mullah. Yes corruption was there, but whatever that was there became nothing after Siyaad Barre introducted his brand of corruption. Your spin is noted! Having said that, I would stay away from clan accusations in this discussion awoowe. I didn't think I would ever accuse you of being a shallow reader. I introduced a CIA report that describes the situation in Somalia on the eve of the revolution as would be described of the year 1991 during the fall of the government. The Somali people were armed, national institutions were tribal based, and the mix of politics and tribalism had the system imploding on itself. ^That alone addresses the popular misconception of Siad's legacy being the introduction of tribal politics or the phenomenon of armed clans. These things existed well before and his government. Combined with the corruption that existed then (the irony is you accuse Siad of corruption when even his most fiercest critics do not) there should not be any question why the carcass of the 60's government was not discarded with. However, I contend aspects of battle plans against various rebels and other mistakes of the government are and should be up for legitimate debate. Just not the legitimacy of the existence of that government or other unfounded slandering of which you lead in this topic, for personal, tribal, or reasons of otherwise.

Waxaad tahaan aqaan iyo waxaad u taagantahay!

Originally posted by Abwaan: Is-aaminid la'aanta iyo qabyaaladda waalan ee dadku caadeystey isagaa Soomaali u horseeday baan qabaa! Jaahilnimada Soomaalidu salaysay astanteedu ninkaan baa matala. Adeer nin wayn baa tahay gola ayaanad dhex fadhidaa, waxmagaradka waxay aqaladoodu ku sheekeystaan mar danbe rag halasoo hor fadhiisan. Waana iga talo.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: I don't believe Somalia in the 1960s was more "corrupt" than present Kenya. Are you a historian now Libaax? From everything I have read, Somalia in the 60's was the most corrupt nation in Africa. What explains a man like Bidde saying I am 35 with 35 million shillings? Are we now reinventing history and denying why the populace flocked to the streets in jubilation on the eve of the revolution? Here are some excerpts to refresh your memory: A quote from the next excerpt in the first paragraph; "Somali corruption astounded even Afrophiles" (people who would normally not be shocked by corruption) Let us not repaint history my friend Libaax, even if it might have been a time hailed as a clan heyday.

Siyaad Barre inherited a young, stable fledgling democracy full of hope and promise. The day Siyaad left Gedo and went to Nigeria, there was nothing left of that country. Libaax, I was recently sent a just declassified CIA report to the US government on the eve of the 1969 revolution. What if I were to tell you Somalia in 1969 at the time of the coup was exactly what it was in 1991 but the only difference in outcome is due to the fact in 1969 there was a single no-tribal body (the army) that took over preventing tribal tensions from being realized whereas in 1991 there were a multitude of clan factions vying for power that realized the tribal tensions. Siad Barre did not inherit a fledgling democracy. He inherited a broken system that was imploding on itself. Read the last paragraphi of this CIA report on October 21, 1969 and tell me if it does not describe the Somalia of 1991 and the Somalia of today. Once you read that observation, ponder on the time when Siad was called "Mr President" and he responded "I am not a president, I am the guard of Lazareti (Somalia's main mental asylum)." I certainly have a different perspective now. http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/54644.pdf

War anigu war badan kusiin maayo, waxaad tahay waa la yaqaan.

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Originally posted by xiinfaniin: quote:Originally posted by Gabbal: Even the leadership of the Shabaab agree the man must be avenged whoever is behind it. Which leadership of alshabaab? the one that invited him or the one that executed him? Also, one should not expect alshabaab to claim the kill. These sort of things happen in Xamar all the time Al Shabaab does not claim kills but neither do they apologize for it. Even if the individuals who sanctioned the kill are part of that organization, they have nowhere to hide in an organization that wants to root them out. War jiraba cakaarahu iman.

Xiin, a leopard doesn't change his spots awoowe.

Originally posted by Dhubad.: Let's not jump the gun fellows! it could be different group who is behind this to cause a rift between Al-shabaab and Mr Dirri's clan. Allahu Yaclam But if its proven that Al-shabaab was behind this then they are doomed ! One way to prove this is if they maintain their silence. The news is of course preliminary but this was not something sanctioned by Al Shabaab as an organization. There are two possibilities being investigated but the most likely possibility being reported is there is an attempt by Madoobe group to force a confrontation between reer Gedo and the Shabaab. Even the leadership of the Shabaab agree the man must be avenged whoever is behind it.

The irony is you talking about peace and justice when you still support the recent exodus of half of Somalia's population into internal and external refugee camps. Now do not entertain the thought of addressing me on this issue please.

This is the man they killed today. A peaceful businessman and leader whose sole purpose was to bring peace and harmony to Kismaayo. Sawiradan waxay Khaas u yihiin warsidaha GedoNET, waxaana la qaaday iyadoo lagu guda jiro shir hadda kahor ka dhacay Beerxaani oo lagu dhex-dhexaadinayay Beesha Gaaljecel iyo Beesha **** oo dagaal ku dhexmaray Beerxaani sanadii 2007. Sitting right there in that very meeting is Cabdiraxmaan Fiiloow, head of Al Shabaab's security in Kismaayo Da'uud Dirir Guuleed Cadcad was a man who had the respect of both religious and non-religious personalities and his death will not go unavenged.

When has Puntlandpost ever been right? You insult our intelligence old man with the garbage spewed by your tribal websites. Da'uud Dirir will be avenged.

Jafe awoowe maxaad aragtay wadigii meelaan laga soo abaabulin col ku magac sheegaye

Originally posted by Ducaysane: War nin yohow magac kale la bax.

You know the answer better than I. The longer the battle drags on and mutual weakening on both sides occurs, the better the outcome favors them. You are forgetting they lost clannish control of Kismaayo only as a result of an alliance between these current foes.

They will not become, but they will watch their interests and their interest lies in the defeat of the tribal outfit in Islamic garb. That's more of a threat to them then the Shabab and you know it.

HI in Jubooyinka doesn't exist awoowe. It is a tribal outfit masquerading in Islamic garb. Any sign of TFG and that tribal outfit pandering to each other will throw even the most secular Gedo son to fully endorse and participate in Shabaab's campaign against them. They will move from a largely neutral and non-active role, as you say, into a full participant. Gedo son or no son, difference in politics or not, Islamist or secular, Gedo boys are united on Kismaayo in terms of clannish matters against other clannish objectives. Both the Defense and police heads of Abdullahi Yusuf were Gedo boys, with Barre Hiiraale sitting next to him in Baydhabo, when Koojaar, Afgaduud, and their boys were chased out in broad daylight.

Originally posted by Jamaal11: I cannot comment on that rumour Gabbal. It has been out there for sometime now, even before the clash.

^Then that means the longstanding rumor Axmed Madoobe is a spy whose release from the Ethiopian gulag was conditional is true?

Juje, adigu iyo Jafe waan idin kala garan waayay.

You missed Nakruuma.

Oodweyne- That group is not Al Shabaab in the way you suggest. Even so, one can say they do not feel threatened by the non-clannish agenda of the Shabaab which means they are not opposed to them. I do not think anyone can entice you to act when you do not feel threatened and most reer Gedo do not have an incentive to either fight the Shabaab or support the Sharif government.

Less than two years after he called Kismaayo's 2006 uprising "haraagi Siyaad Barre" he is confronted with the late president's imagery. Source Source His Entrance Source