^waar waa bila Reeling , wilka so dhawee oo waa ramadane sheydanka ska naar, and crawl back under that shade.

Originally posted by Norfsky: *still holding out for a meaning discussion* No you're not, since when have you developed extra natural evidence receptors that you lacked al these years,you're not evolving, atleast not at that rate. , show nin gajeysani waa wada dareen. Now, everybody let's get off Somali09's balls as he so brilliantly accounted for a stance his lookalike, namely Oz girl, meekly abandoned. You're correct Somali09, the environment we live plays a decisive role both in our personalities and our overall life-view. Once again welcome to SOL, the most open-minded Somali community on-line . Nuune, waraa i'm back in Göteborg, bal isoo mar an afur ku sameye aniga iyo my new weifie from Somalia.

^ Oh my Word, it is working,we've succeed upgrading NGONGE's Oz-detecting software, by injecting an Oz-humour sensor module, and it works perfectly fine, as ' Make a Wish' seems to be everything but an Oz.

Yeah, we don't/can't believe you, lest you officially quarrel( debate him extensively on any subject) with Somali09 and somehow survive that debate without naming NGONGE being the one having vast and genuine knowledge about Agnosticism/Atheism.

^Sorry Fu .... wrong joke .

** Johnny spreads his arms waiting for Somali09 , come on man , give your free-thinking brother a hug..... That was better. *** You know , if we believed in God, I'd be the one saying the blessings, like, 'may God protect you, may we meet in paradise' etc etc .. Now that we don't believe in God (as boring and emotionally dry as it might be according to our theist brothers/sisters),le t me tell you why it takes two Atheist to do SOL, it always takes two Atheists to do anything, to even change a light bulb , because, One will actually change the bulb, and the other will videotape the job so fundamentalists like NGONGE won’t claim that god did it. ** Ibti ,you were much better in that circle, you'd Serenity staying up at nights just to keep Val away from your 'jareer'. I hope the scene of me and Somali09 hugging gives you & CL a lighter Ramadan-day. CL, Horta, what is so bad about being refereed to as 'my lady'? be she cynical or mother goose ?! *** Johnny angrily rips his shirt off and goes ... LOOK @ ME ***. Reminds me of one of the reasons why God never got a PhD, because when one experiment went awry, he tried to cover it by drowning his subjects, ----> Noah and prototypes

Somali09, thanks for clarifying that your arrival just coincided with Oz Girl's. You see me n my cynical lady, and our best Friend Ngonge Jama Bulhan and his sister-in-law Ibtisam are all of the idea that one slightly comes off as a man of issues if he is not capable of safeguarding fellow human beings' sensibilities. Though some think letting every religiously camouflaged absurdity pass as legitimate reality is taking the art of bending over backwards to another level, Knowing that we're in the month of Ramadan, Religious sensibilities are abundant, and just for that reason alone it is neither wise no proper to engage in a deeply rational dialogue with highly sanctimonious people. I too am or consider myself a fellow freethinker (whatever that means ). Perhaps I should have mentioned it, but going in flocks was meant as in the sense of Religious people , you know, we're brothers.

Though there seem to be huge difference in the ability to reason logically, among the the Brothers, nevertheless,very interesting exchanges indeed. So far,the only problem seems to be that our Sheikh doesn't seem to understand the simple question of, why God ( allah if you must ) who is omniscient,omnipoten t and morally just, demands to be worshipped by his creation, unless, being worshipped,without which he punishes his creation, is something of great importance to him(to God that is), hence, for a reason or another god is in need of it . That those who do not worship the Muslim God ( Allah, if you must ) will be punished makes the act of worshipping him something Humanity owes him, but can or are able to (at will) deny him, which consequently makes the supposedly omniscient,omnipoten t and morally just God, less omniscient,less omnipotent and a needy, A demanding but wronged Deity with a justified wrath. A colossal contradiction in the characteristics of what is referred to as God (an Allah if you must ). Disregarding what our Theist brothers think about Atheism and Atheists, one thing is crystal clear, We Agnostics /Atheists know more about Religiosity and Theism than our Brothers know about Agnosticism/Atheism.

You mean her losing faith correlates with her inability to (get)keep men?. you've 3/4 of trust on she having a beard. i keep that 1/4 in case she is a "real" woman.

Nope, .. am back . I know you're Muslim, that is why you're an Atheist. CL.... hakuna matata.

Ibti,you too are Atheist dee , because you lack belief in our God Eros. ** Eros is the son of Aphrodite. Eros is the god of love. In particular erotic, romantic, love. He is often represented blindfolded because, love is often blind. His "weapon" is darts or arrows. In either case the tips have been magically treated to produce either uncontrollable love or insurmountable disinterested in the first person seen be Eros's victim after wounding. ** We're all Atheists, in a way or another . ps.. , Since lacking belief in the existence of certain Deities is all Atheists share,i hope you're not expecting an Atheist team to join, as that'd be against the nature of Atheists, because Atheists don't function in flock, each one has his/her own reasons as to why he/she lacks belief in certain Gods. you're Welcome to SOL brother Somali09.

Yes Nuune, because from Addis i thought i had another alternative if security allowed.

As you've noticed I'm too stressed to this moment to digest some of the impacts this journey had on me, yet, some friends' demand on some details has to be somehow met, though i may not bring forth the wanted details, this might suffice. After having talked to Atheer Muse Duale in Djibouti and being assured that my car and driver were sent and would be in Addis the next evening , all i'd to worry about was what Ifraax Caddood Ghelle ( a friend's sister and my only real connection in Addis ), from Qbri daharre would have to say ,regarding my alternative route in case my original route through Jigjiga/Hargeisa/Bur ao/ Growe turned impossible, though deeply i was more interested in what she had to say regarding life for the ordinary people in Qabri dahhare so i got some real first hand msg to pass to my friend in the US. I thanked Ifraax for the inside info and promised her to be her guest in Addis by the time i get back. I've known Atheer Muse from my childhood, a close friend to my old man who was professor at Djiboutis technical school by then.though i haven't seem recent pictures of him i could sense the change of Age in his voice, That young and humorous Soviet Union educated professor was gone, now he sounded old and tired, like 'Farbror' ( Atheer ) Knut Larsson from Hisingen in Ghothenberg. Aisha the Somali girl from Germany was disappointed on me as i showed no burning desire in partaking of some adventures she so wanted to share with me during my stay in Addis,and after being dragged into a Somali restaurant of no cutlery at Pole Mikaeal and got swarmed over and victimized by the sophisticated beggars at Pole, i had no choice but decline joining her on more adventures, because i found her abusing the universal friendship of 'having had the same flight'. Atheer Harbi Ali is originally from Alisabeh but knows the roads in both Ethiopia and Somalia as he knows the map of his bedroom, he is in his late 40s , early 50s but looks older, having got my Hotel name from atheer Muse he was waiting for me in the lounge the next morning , After greeting him by shaking his hand he forced me in a cosmical hug as he was telling me , " heeeeeeeej, nin weyn baad noqotee, kii yaraa eega ". I've no memory of him , but as it turned out he was there in Shibis / Mogadishu when i was a one year old. Now that my car was here i'd not much to do in Addis except register me in our Embassy in Addis and leave my passport there as my journey inside Somalia needed no documents, partly , it is my country ( is it ? ) , partly it is everybody's country, since there is no Somali authority that is for all Somalis. The first thing you as a Scandinavian notice in Addis is the Taxis, most if not all the Taxi cars are old LADA, you be reminded of the 80s RAUTJÄRVI in Finland, SATANA VITU. In contrast though, the Finish are more like the Somalis in character , a bit aggressive and russhy, unlike the Ethiopians who are more like the Swedes in SMÅLAND. The next day , Both the car and atheer Harbi were ready and since i don't drink water except mineral bottled water, i suggested 2 dozens of HIGHLANDER mineral water. First Harar, then Jigjiga / Wachale, Hargeisa ... Here i come ( where is Jacaylbaro when u need him ). Though i very much wanted to see Borama, we'd no time, so Borama is on my next visit list. .............. to b continued.

In case NGONGE jr reads this.... ** Hi Athero ! **

Cadaan, we sure are related. Too many things do i feel to share but for this thread, i recommend everybody to have a trip to Somalia , despite the security situation.

After a quick flight to Frankfurt and a real German Buz, flight LH1930 to Addis abeba was announced and i Jonathan Hassan Bravo was on it , despite what seemed to be 3 or 4 Ethiopians and a Somali girl who was eager coversing me i was in full swing with my own worries of what was waiting, one'd think a grown up person and a man of my clibre would of be more excited than worried, but that was not the case, Johhny last vissited east Africa as a Kid from Uppsala 22 years ago. On my last trip my old man and fam was with me and Djibouti was the distination, 'Jabal' to be exact, Somalia was a nation and dad was on a political goodbye trip to his friends from the mamasen Gang. This time i was on my own, and as i was of the right clan combination of the H clan i'd draw the carpet under any given circumstances Addis abeba and it's ethiopians was no match for Johnny. Little did i know of the security situation inside Somalia so the choice to land in Addis abeba was given, beeing on root to (Ruun nirgood),a tiny town in mid-shabelle, my father's birthplace maybe,i'd be more secure to land in Mogadishu and drive through the huge clan's semi-savanah landscape, but Atheer hassan Dahir's hisbul-islam and Al-shabab fruitless attempt to topple president Sharif in Mogadishu are to hazardous for my safety, therfore Addis-Abeba. It's 6:30 morning , i'm curiously glued to my window, recording every glimpse of Addis abeba from the sky , dispite the clouds i could see some buildings from my windows till that Somali girl showed up again and asked me if i'd a Taxi and freinds or relatives waiting in German, i did book a hotel but i'd to take my *** there as picking guests is not part of the service, Not wanting to send the wrong signal i politely told her that i was only staying in Addis 2 to 4 days depending on how my Car and driver could get ready for my journey inside Somalia, and that i'd be happy if she could arrange us a Taxi so we could atleast take a freindly goodbeye. After paying 20 dollars and filling a wierd from that required even my seat nr on the flight i was infront of a female immagiration officer whom i knowingly choosen her queue because she was quicker than the others, having slept nothing, i looked awful but for a reason or another she was smiling at me telling me welcome to Addis abeba, after grapping my red pass with a weird stampel of weird alphabet i doubted for a minute if the Ethiopian intelligense service were giving me a bite here or maybe i was too tired and wildley imaginative. After screening my luggage for the last time i was outside the Airport among a sea of yelling Taxi drivers and if it was not for the Somali girl from Köln on my flight i'd pick that elderly Taxi driver with the tie, but but, you know Somali girls... just because we'd the same flight all of a suuden,she was running my short life in Addis . Good morning Addis ....

^This is quite misleading. Aweys calls Asmara/Kandhar and definitely NOT Mecca.

Cara, hakuna matata.

parfois je vous prennent pour moi. : p

^parce que vous êtes qui vous êtes. Et toutes les fois que je vois qu'un lion est sur le point de me prendre à un cerf commun juste avoir la nécessité de sauver des deers. Allors?!

hello Cara, Mambu , Havari ? It's Ksawahili week.

^ JB , wilkan canaha gela ka dhege war bu donaya manata , so don't answer him as the honest Somalilander you are. Emperor, Sad, but the only antidote seems to be keeping the real history alive. SNM Secessionists have no time being honest about the very history they want to erase.

^Sheikh Nurow, is it so befitting to disagree and so wildly at that, with the very preceding version of your version of creed and the source-code of the same Deity, having added nothing but volatile and violent function, One 'd ask.?

"I see that you have joined the immovable object and unstoppable force crew."

^What is available in 'Akhiro' the hereafter has been revealed, and a Mobile in not mentioned, in that regard i too think a line has been crossed, but then one has to give in to the few thinking Muslims who could of imagine an advanced or a better 'Akiro' hereafter, where one could reach for their pious friends and chit-chat about their latest adventures with their female Huris ( if male ) and or their Male Huris (if female). Fabre, you're heading the wrong direction.... i live <<<<<< This way.