^^^ It'll take the poor girl a long time to recover from this. I wonder if she got chatted up by the Burco boys! The 'you dropped a coin' line is the smoothest I've ever seen (they exported it to Burco enclaves all over the world).

She's hoping that everyone will forget and this thread will die! Where are those alleged photos?

Reer hebel is where it's at, Red Sea. Better mobilise early or there wont be 80 votes in it this time. Isn't Siilaanyo far too old for this job anyway? He should really let go and just sit back and be the elder statesmen that he's always been.

Whatever that thing they put in her tea was I've got to have some of it. It seems to have some incredible calming effects. What a good sport she is. Not one disparaging word in reply. (I still have my suspicions about her going to Burco you know).

^^ Ah! A girly little rant hidden in af Somali! If you were not a coward I'd actually give you a proper reply, Sophi.

^^^Is this supposed to be a satirical piece of writing then? Was it written by a Southerner or a Somalilander?

Originally posted by Mansa Munsa: Ngonge and others who are in the denial mode and don't want to get the essence of the considered post I tell them this. I am taking the full responsibility of any fallacies found in its content..plus if I could rollback the time I would still posted it, why?. because the minimum I could do was either to be mute about this or expose it.. I did expose it for the sake of our common end. Let the history be the judge on my position. What is to be done is the question to be asked?, confronting such things in our country definitely needs our collective collaboration in order we expose, dismantle them once and for all. Niether your kids nor mine are save from these folks therefore we've to think alternatives of protecting the most vulnerable, innocent segment of our society?. If that is too much to ask the decay of our decency, and modesty .."iga dheh" The sad truth is that Peter Tatchell, as insufferable and objectionable as he can sometimes be has more principles and integrity than the whole of Somalia! Now I shall not mince my words here because you’re being homophobic for the sake of it rather than having any strong and considered objection to it (if you do it’s not showing, saaxib). Your comments, your populist attempt to gain support on this nonsensical argument and your ignorant general knowledge is infuriatingly unacceptable, not to mention hypocritical. Now, you really have two choices in this world that we live in; you either accept that there are people with different sexual preferences to you and choose to turn a blind eye to their preferences; or you crawl back under whatever rock you like to call home. If it’s the first choice, then you’ll sleep easy at night when taking advice from world famous HUMAN RIGHTS Campaigner (and gay rights activists) such as Mr Tatchell! The second choice is not worth me commenting on really.

The first man getting punched in Russia! I struggled through the first post in this thread and I really can’t tell what the point of it is! Despite what Mansa says (for he gave no source of the article he posted) Peter Tatchell resides and works in Europe. Regardless of his sexual orientation I find the fellow an obnoxious, self-serving and lime-light-seeking drama queen (not Mansa). Still, and this might come as a surprise to most blind kittens on this thread; homosexuals work in a variety of areas and control a number of high positions in Europe and the West. Peter Mandelson, the European Union’s Trade Commissioner is said to be a homosexual. Will Somalia or Somaliland refuse dealing with him if they had the chance, stone-age people? I agree with Castro

^^ Google the word 'convict' then click on 'I feel lucky'

^^^ That America runs the world (or tries to) is not in dispute here. I'm just talking about the everyday administration of things. I seriously doubt that the US navy patrols the coasts of the Indian Ocean to catch pirates and wrongdoers. I doubt they even do that in the Caspian Gulf. These are military people and one would assume that they are given clear goals and specific assignments to carry out. It's not part of their terms of reference (I assume) to chase pirates or protect the Somali coastline from pirate attacks. I may be wrong of course.

Guiltiness (talkin' 'bout guiltiness) Pressed on their conscience. Oh yeah. And they live their lives (they live their lives) On false pretence everyday - each and everyday. Yeah. These are the big fish Who always try to eat down the small fish, just the small fish. I tell you what: they would do anything To materialize their every wish. Oh yeah-eah-eah-eah. Say: Woe to the downpressors: They'll eat the bread of sorrow! Woe to the downpressors: They'll eat the bread of sad tomorrow! Woe to the downpressors: They'll eat the bread of sorrow! Oh, yeah-eah! Oh, yeah-eah-eah-eah! Robert Nesta Marley

The US navy is probably turning a blind eye to these happenings. It's not under their jurisdiction and not part of their mission. I don't see what's the big conspiracy is all about here. Calm down. Actually, if we're playing conspiracy then I reckon the pirates are not Somali. They're Germans and they're retaliating for what that Danish fan did to their fellow national in the game between Denmark and Sweden the other day.

Xanthus, Why are you telling us all these little lies, dear? It's a universally acknowledged fact that the good people of Burco shun anything to do with technology and computers. You can't possibly have logged in from Burco you bloody fish! Maybe they lied to you and told you that Hargeisa is Burco. Ps A couple of goats in someone's back garden is also not the same as the great outdoors that you claim to have visited. Then again, if you spent all your life in high-rise buildings someone's little back xoosh would seem like the darn Kalahari Wilderness to you.

Originally posted by Johnny B: Something tells me that its about time that NGONGE and all those secret admirers of VAL to congratualate that lacky Aussie bästard. *sniff snaff * , She is gone for good. She was a lost case to start with, saaxib. I mean come on; she only lives next door to me (albeit the poor side of London) yet she has not once offered to come over and baby-sit for me. But the minute those convicts come calling she happily takes a twenty-four hour flight to them! Don't muddy the beautiful Swedish pavements with the heavy strides of her stilettos, saaxib.

^^ Who else is going?

^^ So you finally managed to make it out of London? Have a good time, saaxib. You truly deserve the break. ps North is not allowed to smoke shiisha. Doctor's orders

^^ If they get him or his boss the whole outlook will change. Maybe next time, eh!

^^^ It looks like a rhetorical question and I know I should treat it as such but I can't help feeling that you're expecting an actual reply! It's as if you have not read anything I wrote previously. Oh well, lets flog that dead horse one more time, shall we! The hard and bitter reality right now is that the TFG is in CONTROL. They run the country and TIME is on their side. They have no real or discernible rivals (people complaining on the web or a few aimless rebels an opposition do not make). Also, as far as we can tell, the TFG are not averse to blowing up a few people or brutally suppressing any signs of rebellion or revolt. They will do anything to stay in power. All this is plainly obvious and I trust that I have not shattered any dreams of yours by this revelation or opened up any new doors. So, what should the majority of Somalis do, I hear you ask! Well, they will do what they've always done; kowtow to the new bully in town. This, in all honesty, is the best course of action for all concerned. For without any organised, recognised, well-armed and suitably backed resistance, any sign of struggle from the Somali populace is nothing but a thoughtless and wasteful suicide! It actually reminds me of the old Arabic saying: The dogs may bark but the caravan moves on! There really is no stopping the TFG now, unless it comes from within! This is how I rationally see things. How do YOU see them? ps Pedantic simpletons protesting about dogs and caravans need not bother replying.

^^^I believe we've been here before, saaxib. Still, I'm sure by now you already know that I'm fond of flogging dead horses and would happily repeat the same argument over and over again with no embarrassment or hesitation. So here goes: Right now, we have the TFG controlling most of Somalia (with Ethiopian, AU and American help). We have some rebels fighting against the TFG and declaring their opposition to the Ethiopian involvement in Somali affairs. But, as far as I can tell, this second group is neither powerful enough or politically visible enough to be relied on or taking seriously. The rest of the world does not seem to care much (other than on some limp wrested demands for a proper and fair reconciliation on the part of the TFG). People are split into many groups but most of these groups fall into two sides; one side supports the TFG (either happily for clannish and political reasons or reluctantly because they see no other alternative). The opposite side contains all those groups that oppose the TFG for, again, clannish, patriotic or religious reasons. Sitting where I am and viewing all this confusion from my safe distance, I can see that the only group that is working, advancing and benefiting from the mayhem is the TFG. Admittedly, it’s not all their own work but rather that of Ethiopia and the United States but it still counts in their favour nonetheless. Now, what can those on the other side do to wrestle the initiative, political momentum and support of the wavering masses from the TFG? Surely, blowing up a few Ethiopian soldiers or conducting hit and run operations alone is not going to help them achieve their goals. Clearly, moaning, wailing and crying about the Ethiopian occupation will also not get them anywhere! So what could they do to at least have a chance in this impossible war? Well, for a start, they can do what the ICU did twelve months ago. They need a focus point. A group, organisation or recognisable political movement that all those opposing the TFG (and its masters) can belong to and support. This new movement could easily have all the members of the ICU as part of it but should NOT be the ICU (this little trick, I fear, has gone past it’s sell by date). In fact, even if there is no such group in existence what we at least need is a figurehead. Someone well known and respected in Somali circles that will volunteer to be the focus point and voice for all those Somalis opposing the Ethiopian occupation. Someone like president Abdul Qasem Salat! Failing that, a new face from the Diaspora with an organised group and some semblance of clear goals and plans. In short, instead of having ten million voices weeping and wailing alone what we need is someone that speaks for these voices and is guaranteed their full support. Someone that can POLITICALLY challenge the TFG and can act as a viable alternative. Alas, I doubt that such a group or person exists today. Which, leaves us with the only alternative open to us. Now, brace yourself, I expect that to you and Khashafa above, what I’m about to write next is tantamount to treachery and blasphemy but, say it, I must. The only other way open to all is to WORK with the TFG and attempt to change it from the inside whilst you wait for the Somali knight in shinning armour to rescue us all from the predicament we all find ourselves in today. I hope you can appreciate that I’ve written the above in a hurry and could, if I had the time have expanded on my points and wrote a more rosier and sexier reply but I’m sure that even as shabby as this reply is the message is not lost on you, saaxib. Toothless old ladies beat their chests, moan and wail. Able, sensible (and in your case) young people think of solutions and ways out.

^^^ You’re using the Stockholm Syndrome very loosely there I guess. As for the YouTube clip you posted there I’ve got to admire the sentiment but can’t help sneering at the content. Still, protests are not really about great oratory or even making sense; they’re all about being heard and seen. I doff my hat to those people whilst lamenting their wasted efforts. Khas-khash, young brother, angry man is it not time we all stopped the wailing? Looking at the situation in Somalia today it’s pretty obvious that there is no going back. The only way is forward, saaxib! However, that in itself is not clear. You clearly realise that the Somali public is split right down the middle (ok, lets say it’s forty/sixty just so you don’t argue over numbers). Let us assume that the larger number is against the Ethiopian occupation, this will steal leave us with a considerable number of Somalis who are (albeit reluctantly) in support of such an occupation. Your argument and that of many others (like those in the video clip) is for the withdrawal of the Ethiopian forces from Somalia, and a honourable and patriotic argument it is. However, what is it you propose once the Ethiopians leave? A return of Courts? Well, I’m sure you realise full well that those supporting the TFG (and in turn the Ethiopians) will not be in favour of such an outcome. What next? You say that Safi’s article was emotionally charged (and I agree) but I did not see any suggestions, solutions or any valid arguments coming from your side either, saaxib. You gave us a link of some Somalis in America who were protesting and (more or less) repeating the same old emotional messages. This whole thing in Somalia has become a copy of what’s taking place in Iraq. There, everyone is asking for American withdrawal but nobody seems to know or even imagine what Iraq would look like if the Americans withdrew! Why does the wailing always stop at this point? How come one never sees any suggestions or solutions? In your post above, you suggested that the Courts are still about but under different names and guises! Great. Why then are they not providing a political alternative so that people like Safi and others don’t feel helpless enough to forcibly support the occupation? I’m not expecting all the answers from you here. It would not be fair to burden you with such a task but I only push you in such a way and ask you these questions so that you would give the whole situation some more thought and quit all this emotional wailing. Remember all those months ago when I told you that I will not give up on you? Now give me some sense, brother.

Heh. Zahra Abdulle at least confesses to letting her emotions get the better of her. Much ado about nothing again. What websites are these that accept this rubbish? Can someone please tell me so that I can becom prolific too and wind the hell out of all these thin skinned people!

Is it me or has the site been very slow today? It took me ages to refresh the page or even connect to the site. FIX UP, BLUD.

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^^ Someone sent me an e-mail with this clip (at least I think it is the same clip!). If you don't like snakes I don't think you should watch this. I made the mistake of opening the file and almost had a heartattack. ps One day, I shall have my revenge on the person that sent me the e-mail.