Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: quote:Originally posted by xiinfaniin: NGONGE, waa markii ugu horreysay aan ku arko adoo caadhifadi ku hayso Ngonge is my friend. Laakin waa born-again SL waagaan ku idhi ma dhaweyne ma wax baad iga qori. I think it is not the first time Ngonge oo caadiifad wado aynu argano. That he does it in a gentle and subtle way doesn't mean, he hasn't shown it before! Nonsense, you dunderhead. If I inject some passion into my words here I do so with the safe knowledge that my argument is rock solid. Empty passion is not my thing, adeer. You convince me that the cantarbaqash that Xiin and Thankful are peddling in here makes sense and I shall happily concede. Thankful, you are being obtuse again, saaxib. The link I gave does mention their clan but it also mentions they are two individuals, you stubborn pirate. The SL community in that city did not get together and file a case against the man there; TWO people did. The mention of their clan is important because it sheds some light into the background of the case but this is not a portrayal of the clan as a whole. Not every person from SL is after blood. Some have moved on and some, due to very personal experiences and the opportunity to address these experiences, have not. This is straight and simple but you are being thick on purpose here. You spent the last three days talking nothing but nonsense. First, you say Samatar is the only one being sued because he was from an oppressed clan (Xiin foolishly followed suit and tried to sell that argument). Like a pirate trying to board an American navy ship, I slapped you down with a link that shows Samatar was not the only man being sued. Now you are coming back with the outrageous claim that one clan is doing all of this! But I am telling you it is not one clan; it is individuals from one clan (mark the distinction you obtuse nincompoop). What are you going to ask next? Why are they from that clan? Surely you know the answer to that one. Finally, you also chased the phantom that is Riyaale and tried to argue that he too should be sued. Others agreed with you on this but I believe you are all being extremely half-witted to even dare to come up with such an argument or suggestion. Worse still, you try to equate all the suspected Somali criminals and argue that they all should be treated the same. Well listen here, adiga iyo cida bila caqliga ah mala yacnigan kugo raacsan. These are not the Nuremberg Trials. There is no military tribunal meting out sentences to all and sundry. These are not the Iraq trials. These are civil law suits started by individuals against whomever they have a grievance with from the former Somali regime (who happens to live in their nick of the woods, in America). Your arguments would make perfect sense if the trials were taking place in Somaliland and not America (then you can do what the Iraqis did and say why prosecute Tariq Aziz but not Comical Ali). You (and others) cry Riyaale went to America and nobody prosecuted him. That too is nonsense. Because, and now I'll have to hold your dirty pirate hand here and walk you back to the start of this post; the case was brought by private individuals and these individuals have a direct problem with Samatar and Tuke. They have no problem with Riyaale (or at least they have not shown that they do). Those that do, are either not in the US or just don't choose to go down the suing root. The worse thing in all of this is not really the trial, Samatar or the perceptions you have. What is really appalling here is the idea that just because Somalia had many criminals no victims should have the gal to go after those they believe have wronged them, for the simple reason that others did not! But that is not the way the world works. That is not even the way Somalis work; when someone is killed, some ask for the perpetrator to be killed too whilst others are happy with the blood money. Some believe revenge serves no purpose whilst others demand retribution. It is a very personal and individual thing and not a clan objective. At any rate, SL (as a collective) has already chosen its method of revenge, it decided to secede and never expose itself to the possibility of a return to such times or heartache. Lakin ma cid ba fahmaysa?

^^ You would and I too would. But though you have no idea why they didn't or if they even tried, you still choose to make it a point of contention. You're clutching at straws and trying to equate them to hard and KNOWN facts. Keep editing and I'll keep editing. Lets assume that Samatar was from a PL clan or even an SL clan or those mad ones that are burning Xamar. What could his clan do for him in America? Kill the judge? Kidnap the accusers? They will not stop a court case, adeer. This whole business of 'support' is amazingly foolish that I never bothered to address it before (but I noticed that even reasonable people like Xiin have fallen for it and decided it is cashar time). Like a judge would say, do you have any other evidence or information?

^^ I know it was kaftan, saaxib. Lakin sheekadan idinka caadhifad ka dhigay oo kolba marmarsi cusub la timaadan. Dee af aad fahmaysan ban la so imid. Thankful, hada ma hindi ban ahay. Again, clan is everything but in the West each of us is free to do and choose a path to take. You keep going about an enclave as if the qaraan joke of Xiin is real here. There is no hypocracy here you are choosing to make this a qabiil thing rather than some people who for very personal reasons are suing some man. I'm taking this seriously because you are. Ku waad ana wan ku wadaya. P.S. Xiin, Somaliland tagtay, saaxib. I truly see no way back when you can't even understand the significance of your response when it comes to this case.

^^ How do you know if they have a problem with him or not? Again, I tell you this is a case of individuals. I know people that hate Riyaale's guts (from THAT clan) and want to see him hanged from the top of that silly airplane in Hargeisa and I know people that do a Xiin and say ha la is cafiiyo. Both have nothing to do with this. If you keep making it a clan thing then I will keep saying you are a real pirate and xaraan bad ku nooshahay. Would I be right? I personally think I would be too thick but your logic says it's ok. Wax fahan loox yaho.

^^ I'll have to keep chasing you from thread to thread it seems. Waa caadi. I'm going to keep after you, Xiin and whoever else is trying to sell this nonsense until you submit. My chances here are much better than those suing Samatar. By the way, did you give up on the Samatar is being sued because he comes from a tiny clan excuse or is Tuke also from a tiny clan (I need to know such info so I can pummel you with it).

Riyaale is a red herring because he is in Africa, you stubborn man. He came to America countless times but you did not feel the need to sue him (nor did anyone else). If I have a problem with Thankful I do not go on suing Duke. How hard is this for you to understand? At any rate, you are moving the goal posts again. First you blamed it on suing Samatar but when I threw sand in your face and showed you that someone else was being sued you totally switched and is now going for the groups doing the suing. Yes, it is people from one CLAN doing this (forget using polite words like enclave) but not every single person from that clan is suing Samatar like not everyone from your part of the world is a pirate. Do you see how thick you're sounding with your empty protests or should I keep on going?

Originally posted by Maaddeey: Ngonge, lecture dheer maba qoro, yaad i moodday?, teeda kale jees-jeeska maad iska deysid, mise Saudi Arabia aa carab shimaagh leh ku*****?? More stars? A word with five letters? Anigu markaan kalmada qoro lix xaraf ban ka dhiga. By the way, wan kula kaftamaayay is man odhan wad cadhoonaysa, saaxib.

^^ A&T thinks an American court is the same as a Somaliland one (with eleven poor pirates send to life in jail for doing nothing at all). A&T, it was not me does not apply here. If that was the case poor Milosevic would have not killed himself in his jail cell.

^^ It's not about agreeing or disagreeing, adeer. You ARE being thick. You ask why only one person is being sued (and go on about his weak clan and lack of support), I give you the case of a second man but you turn it on its head and go on about Riyaale. Riyaale lives in SOMALILAND not DC. If Riyaale lived in DC and you wanted to sue him NOBODY can stop you. The whole Riyaale issue is a red herring. All those against this case have not come up with one acceptable reason why they actually think it should not go on. Furthermore, you all make it an SL problem when it is a case brought on by individuals living in that city. I can see your argument about punishing all those responsible for all the crimes in Somalia. As a starting point, it is actually a great argument. But it has nothing to do with this case. P.S. I'm sure they'll be happy if they won money from Samatar but even if he does not have the money, the fact that he's proven guilty in a court of law is probably more than enough for them.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^You think so. Somali baadan aqoon awoowe Taa ku baxso. I do not need to know Somalis. They are not mala'ika, adeer. They are as normal, crazy, sad, mad and weird as everyone else. You have no leg to stand on here and you come across as exteremly paranoid. As I showed Thankful, there was another man being sued (and I do not even know his qolo but I'm sure you do). So the argument that only one man is being singled out is..err out. Your argument of ha la is cafiiyo is not one that applies to individuals living in free states. Besides, maxa la iso cafiinaya? Somaliland in total is trying to stay away from Somalia altogether, adeer. Wakhti la is cafiiyo iyo hadaaladan macan la isko yidhaahdo lama ba juugo, adeer. You are making more of this than the SL people (other than those that took Samatar to court). The rest of the SL people are just enjoying the circus but, as far as I know, are not going out of their way to send qaaran to the accusers and what not.

^^ I honestly don't care for Samatar and should his daughter approach me for help, I probably would help her. What I find silly is the argument that you have been peddling here about the man's clan or the reasons why those people in Virginia were going after him. It is stuff and nonsense.

^^ You're the one doing all the reading here, warya. I was hinting at the soft spot you're talking about being in your head and not, as traditionally understood, in your heart (like the expression: he's soft in the head). The rest of what you say fails the minute you mention back home. Dee Visa o wada *** and then sue them when they get here.

Originally posted by AwMuuse Ismaciil: Riyaale is indeed a master tactician, jester and pretender! Here he is praying for the much after sought recognition with his crew. Priceless photo. Long live D Riyaale.

^^ The problem is that the soft spot you speak of is not in your heart in this instance. For all you wrote on this thread, I refer you to my reply to Mr Thankful on the other thread.

^^ What's under the stars, Khayr? (I'm taking bets on his reply involving the earth and sky).

^^ Ya kugo yedhi H M Prison Wandsworth waa jano? The most they can do is send Maaddeey to give me a headache by writing a long Somali lecture.

^^ In Somalia maybe. What can a surwaal gab do to me in London?

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: If I go cinema by myself, can I demand no one sits nexts to me? after all if I wanted someone sitting nexts to me I would've taken my own +1 or 2. :confused: Who goes to the cinema on their own anyway? Actually, who other than strange people who sit in the back and sweat heavily as they watch Shrek or Alvin and the chipmonks?

^^ War kaa faras maha, waa abu mansoor.

A pulse.

I can't see a single horse or camel there. These guys are driving cars! This is not Sunna. Bidca, bidca.

Oz, in the first half Sneijder was running rings around Chelsea. In the second half, Ivanovic had the freedom of the right hand side. Inter took their chances, Chelsea didn't. There really wasn't much in it. (Chelsea to win at home). Tujiye, Lucas will be first name on the team sheet come the world cup. You heard it here first, saaxib.

DELETE this thread. He's showing us his cawra.

Originally posted by Thankful: Zack that is my only point! After 2 decades no complaints have come forward. Even though it has been over a decade that Mr. Samatar was first accused no one else has started up new cases any where else in the world. I'll end it with this - the reason why the area's in Somalia that have experienced the most destruction have not come forward is plain and simple. They know once the investigations start up, many people who now hold public office will be prime suspects. Castro is correct. You are being thick, adeer. The areas in Somalia that have experienced the most destruction DO NOT HAVE ALL THE SUSPECTS LIVING IN AMERICA! Ok, lets get back to where we left it. You have no problem with going for Samatar (you already said it a million times) but you argue that he was the only one who is 'being picked on', right? Guess what? On November 10, 2004, CJA filed suit against Colonel Yusuf Abdi Ali (a.k.a Tokeh) a former officer in the Somali National Army during the military dictatorship of Siad Barré, on behalf of two members of the Is**q clan who were brutally tortured by soldiers under Tokeh's command. The case was referred by the court to the U.S. State Department for its input on immunities issues where it remains stalled. Source Now can we please drop it.

Ayuob, nothing fickle about adjusting one's expectations, saaxib. I still believe we are able to overtake Arsenal (even Wenger believes it). We have not had a good season but I still reckon we'll finish fourth. I also think you don't understand the meaning of the word fickle (let me give you an example: Norf).