follow the leader, leader, leader..follow the leader, leader, leader

^^ My "buddy" sounds like: http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/8/652

^^ No it's not but it's an evasive reply if I ever saw one. Maaddeey says exactly the same thing but one of you must be WRONG. Wax fahan.

^^ Where does "Mar haduu lilaahida ka baxo waa lisaan jabane" fit into the bit your quoted?

^^ Naga daa dee. [qoute]God's name is treated with unusual care in Jewish tradition. The divine name, YHWH (spelled with the Hebrew letters yud, hey, vav, hey) is never pronounced. Traditionally, Jews read the word "Adonai" (often translated as "the Lord") whenever reading God's holiest name in Torah or in prayer. However, "Adonai" is not God's name. Among some traditional Jews, speaking even the word "Adonai" is avoided outside of worship or study. This "stand-in" for God's name is itself replaced by "Ha-Shem" ("The Name"). The practice also has been extended to other Hebrew words associated with God. For example, the Hebrew word "Elohim," which means "God" (the title, not God's name), is pronounced "Elokim" outside of prayer and study. In recent years, some Jews have carried the practice even further by abstaining from writing the English word "God" and substituting the spelling, "G-d" or "Gd." However, there is no prohibition in Jewish law from writing "God" in any language other than Hebrew. In fact, there is an often repeated story about Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik, z"l, one of the foremost authorities of Modern Orthodoxy, who intentionally would write and erase the word "God" (in English) on the blackboard in front of his students at Yeshiva University in order to emphasize the fact this is not prohibited by Jewish law. Some Reform Jews observe the custom of spelling God as "G-d." Most do not. In any case, it would be inappropriate and opposed to Jewish values to correct or shame a person for keeping this practice if it is done out of respect and reverence for God. L'Shalom, Rabbi Jeffrey W. Goldwasser

Originally posted by Sayid*Somal: quote:Originally posted by NGONGE: P.S. Though I long learned seriousness is wasted on most people here, I may get serious enough to write an enitre thread about doubt. i agree with you that seriousness is wasted on most people here - however, as i consider you to be one whom seriousness is not wasted on - may i pre-empt your intended thread about "doubt" with the following words of wisdom: "This is the Book ; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah." Al-Baqara (2:2) "We have, without doubt, sent down the message; and we will assuredly guard it (from corruption)" Al-Hijr (15:9) "These are the verses of the book of wisdom" Yunus (10:1) That is but one kind of doubt, saaxib. In that thread we had many others displayed. Doubting the intentions of other people, doubting the existence of a god and doubting yourself. Each and every one of these is worth a topic of its own. In doubting the intentions of others, our heroes here are none other than virtuous A&T and pious Tuujiye (with a sprinkle of occasional wisdom from good Karl). There is no shred of evidence that the man they accuse is indeed a zandiiq, yet, they insist on assuring us that he is. But they are still not too sure and would keep going back and asking him to come clean! So is he or is he not? Let me tell you the story of the famous poet Bashar Ben Burd. He was a renowned Arab poet (with Persian roots) who lived in the period between the Umayyad and Abbasid Khilafahs. He was blind and was one of the very top poets of insults (hijaa). He was also fond of his drink, parties (well, as much as one could call such ancient sessions, parties) and poems of love and debauchery. In addition, the man used to keep questionable company even in the field of religious study (for example, he was good friends with many of Ahlu El Kalam and Moctazila). Such associations and debauchery made people accuse him of being an atheist, a zandiiq and an altogether bad man. It is said that he once wrote a poem insulting the Khalifa Al Mahdi (as a result of not being given any money or gifts). The Khalifa, upon hearing of the poem, got angry and decided to visit Bashar’s town to ‘sort him out’ once and for all. On the way there, the Khalifa and his entourage heard someone doing the athaan (calling for prayer). It was not time for prayer, so the Khalifa sent someone to find out where this noise was coming from. Within minutes, they brought him Bashar, drunk as a seaman, stumbling and still singing the call to prayer! The Khalifa was livid and ordered his followers to flog Bashar for being an atheist and a zandiiq. They did so until they killed him. Later, the Khalifa sent someone to search out Bashar’s house. They found a piece of paper on which he wrote “Bismi Allahi Al Raxman Al Raxeem, I wanted to write a poem of insult about Bani so and so for being misers, but then I remembered that they were related to the prophet and stopped”. So, you see, though the man was clearly a sinner he was neither a Mulxid nor a zandiiq. Sheikh A&T might even identify with him. Wa ninka yedhi: يا قوم اذني لبعض الحي عاشقة والاذن تعشق قبل العين احيانا O people, my ear is in love with some of the living And the ear, sometimes, falls in love before the eye On doubting the existence of a god you already provided the cure but neither did you mention the symptoms nor the reasons for the ailment itself. In the thread in dispute, there was a story of a girl that questioned her own Islam. Curiously enough, she claimed to believe in god (but never clarified which god she believed in). Still, even that section of the thread had its own hero in the guise of the big kahuna himself (Johnny B). However, Johnny does not believe in god altogether (or so he says). So what is it about the existence of god that people doubt? Is it that there is no god at all (ala Johnny) or just that someone is having a bad day and lots of problems that make him/her question god? On the first, there is not much that one could say or do. Believe or don’t believe; it is your choice. However, on the second where one is going through a bout of doubting and questioning, perhaps all is not lost (yet). The aayahs you posted give an idea of what one could do to relieve the doubting. However, they also give proof (as if proof was needed) that doubt is natural, expected and fair. Why does one read the Koran and attempt to learn from it? What is the one, overwhelming, clear, most important truth that one learns from reading the Koran? And, once one learns it, what is the point of going over it again and again? Shouldn’t the Koran be like any other book that you read once, enjoy the story (and the moral of it) then ditch it for some other book (and maybe go back to it once in a while to savor the beautiful way the story is told)? Why do you have to read it over and over and over again? Why go over verses that remind you there is no god but Allah? Surely you already worked that one out from first reading! Could it be just that? A reminder for when doubt creeps in (owing to a million and one reasons connected to everyday life). Aye, there is the rub (as Hamlet would say). Does doubt equal outright apostasy or is it the temporary succumbing to uncertainty? Surely, the doubt itself implies the absence of total rejection. Yacni, there is hope still. But what brings on doubt? It has always been a habit of mine never to quote verses from the Koran or any ahaadith online. But I am sure many of the verse-wallahs in here can easily furnish us with countless verses that talk about the sweet whisperings of Satan, the nafs that eggs one into committing sins and the easy ways which make one stray. The opposite of doubt is certainty and certainty only comes with TRUTH. But how could you tell it is so if you don’t have any doubt? Surely you need one to get to the other. The final kind of doubt is when you doubt yourself (something neither A&T nor his great army of keyboard shakers seem to suffer). It is the one where you ask yourself if the path you have chosen is the correct one or if Al Shabab were right all along. Is it best to stay in the comfort and safety of the crowd or should one break out and believe in their own judgment (within the agreed parameters of course)? Am I being a hypocrite when I scold Al Shabab for employing their Takfeeri methods against those I consider Muslims, whilst I am happy to label someone a Kaafir just because a feeling, an instinct or experience with previous nitwits who spoke similarly, told me this one also is? Or maybe the resolute Al Shabab way of the ends justifying the means is the right way! Do I apply the Islamic morals of fairness, justice and equality at all times or is it ok to ditch them in times of war (for expedience sake)? Surely, as a Muslim, one should never doubt his creator and the message (if they can help it, and we dealt with that above already). Everything else must be open to a great deal of doubt. I mean, clearly, as things stand, there are different conflicting interpretations of the faith. There are the Sunnis, the Shica and the many others within those. We find ourselves agreeing with one group’s interpretation one day and disagreeing the next. I see Al Shabab’s way of doing things and I find myself impressed with the dedication, brotherhood and image they present. Isn’t this the image I was brought up with as to the face of true Islam? They even have an Amir! They apply the Sharica, fight the oppressors and claim that their one and only aim is to ensure that Allah’s word remains supreme. What is there to doubt about them or myself? On the other hand, despite their overall pious image, despite paying lip service to the rules of Sharica, despite their calls for Jihad, the DEVIL still remains in the detail. I doubt the legitimacy of Al Shabab because of the detail. I doubt their wisdom, the permissibility of their conduct and, sometimes, I feel guilty when I doubt their goals. After all, their claim is all about freeing Muslim lands (Somalia) from the tyranny of outsiders, meddlers and turncoats. But is it really freedom when you replace that with the heavy handed and crazy rule of Al Shabab? How could I support, agree with and believe in a group that finds Islamic excuses for the murder of innocents? How could I not doubt anyone that refuses to listen to reason, discuss it or even benignly attempt to convince me they are on the right path? Al Shabab, it seems, suffer from no pangs of self doubt. But I do. Do you? This one is for A&T (since he got an A in philosophy). It is an invitation to apply Pascal’s Wager to the true identity/nature of Rhazes. If he is as you say, you lose nothing but your doubt (replaced with yaqiin now). However, if he turns out to be far from who you think he is, you stand to lose a lot (going by the revelation that some doubt is a sin). Where do you stand on that my dust-cloud raising friend? Any self doubt? Any guilt? Any hints you may just be wrong? Now I will be the first to admit that what I wrote above could have been done much better and included many examples. But, I have a confession to make.......I doubted it was worth the effort. Wax fahma!

Originally posted by Gheelle.T: When NGONGE was in their age there were no behind shaking phenomena. Ask him too! True. It was only men and it was great fun too. Check it here from 2.30 onwards..eesh cala murqaan By the way, that Somali video was a tad X-rated (hijab or no hijab). Balaaaayo!

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: Ngonge laftigiisaa Zindiiq kale ah siduu meeshan wax u wado. Horta isaga laftigiisa yaa huba wuxuu yahay dad kale unbaan saaran nahaye? War dee Rhazes ayaa Zandiiq lagu sheegay. Maaddeey na booska 'Safeeha' la siiyaay. Fadlan, aniga hadaad wax igu yeedhi laheed, sacluuuk iska dheh. I am with him because he is handling this issue better than all his detractors without resorting to empty accusations. P.S. Though I long learned seriousness is wasted on most people here, I may get serious enough to write an enitre thread about doubt.

Seeker, seeker, seeker.. Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ PDA in general is irritating. It does not really make a difference if the couple are Muslim, atheists, old or even a pair of dogs. It is still uncomfortable to be forced to see it. The rest is really not a big deal (Bob). Not every person that donned a Spiderman outfit can climb buildings and not everyone that wears a football kit can kick a ball. The hijab is merely a sign of what the person maybe like underneath (and no, I am not talking flesh, bone and heaving bosoms). The minute you spot one kissing in public, you must realise it is fancy dress time and not attach any deep significance to it. It really is no big deal and takes nothing away from those that wear the hijab for the right reasons (the mockery that Blessed is talking about is itself, albeit unwittingly, a mockery). All here: http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/6/12265

^^ Laba jabhado ha isku furin, yaa caaqil. It can be more interesting if it's not confrontational.

The Saudis are playing a bigger role in this than Israel. A nuclear Iran is a bigger threat to them than anyone else.

^^ When she said 'reputable contractor' to 'do up a house', she didn't mean a sheffield burglar. (you know at least one, don't you? everyone 'oop norf' knows at least one).

^^ Because it IS. An eighteen year old over excited kid who is fighting another kid over an online girl they both love, would still write something more coherent and believable than the rubbish above. Wax fahan.

^^ You mean this rubbish was written by a presidential candidate? War even Cawke would be ashamed of such nonsense. Naga daa dee.

Ever since the world cup, CL has not been the same. She seems distant and is always lost in thought. She mumbles nonesense to herself all the time. Gonzalo Gonzalo...

If one was attempting to lampoon the way Somali articles found on the net are done, one really couldn't write anything better than the above. Bare jokes, as the kids would say.

^^ The food is probably great but I bet the kitchen is a total write-off. Heh@ha unoqon. (I make no promises).

^^ حالتك صعبه جدا يا اخي. So called can be interperted in so many ways and only one of them is the way you read it. However, the whole feel of that post gives no indication that this is how he meant it.

^^ Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Lakin you still misunderstood, you boiling kettle. (they would be the "dogs" was the way I meant). wax fahan. CL, can't see Youtube at work anymore. What is it?

^^ Hada kuma? "So called" baad nago waashay lakin ila hada "So called" meel aad ka keentay i maad tusin.

^^ ..you're awful, Juxa. Could you not think of anything but a dog? Lawyer iska dheh. (anyway, I meant it the opposite way).

A&T, Juxa direct lala ma hadlo dee. Dad ba lagu dira (marna tuujiye, marna adiga, marna CL). Wax fahan.

^^ I think the bit I qouted could not have been clearer. In fact, you should be supporting it 100%. For you were saying mor or less the exact thing on another thread. Marka, saaxib, I have no idea what personal problems you and Rhazes have, nor do I want to get caught in the middle (not yet anyway). P.S. Calling the girl a pioneer was in this first page of this thread. Go and read it in it's original context and don't do a Maaddeey.

Originally posted by Juxa: daad is not flooding in this sense, it means arintu weyla tagtay, calaashan isma qaban karo, out of control jaceyl dartii yada yada yada Radio arialka ka jabay baad tahay. Yes, I heard of metaphors before. Adiga iyo A&T waxba isma dhaantaan. You think too deeply about things.

^^ "So called" what dee? Gabadha aniga ba 'pioneer' ku sheegay, maxaad igu odhan wayday NGONGOW bila diin baad tahay? Ninyaho dee nagaa daa (there is an excuse and explanation for every word he wrote there, the ones I saw at least). Hadaad wax kale ku tuhmaysid, dee daliilka la kaalay. A&T, waad suaalo badantahay, saaxib. He already answered here: Originally posted by Rhazes: As a muslim (this might come as a suprise to the miserable miscreants who would sooner excommunicate me from Islam), I think these kind of questions do not always lead to a denouncment of religon, rather it creates a refined, reformed interpretation of religion that does not clash with our modern sensibilities. And God knows too many interpretations of Islam are at loggerheads with rudimentary ethics and human ideals.