^^^REally? such as? I must have missed them :confused:

Lily Blair has been using us and them terms since 9/11. I remember him saying "the terrorist should know, that we hold our believes, every bit as strongly as they hold theirs" Dahia: I could not agree more. ME: yes today we are dominating.

Elaborate please, I cannot make up my mind who you are referring to? Blair, his view, the source, or me?

New Israel lobby 'not taking on Bicom' A new London-based organisation dedicated to monitoring and analysing press coverage of Israel is to be launched shortly with a full-time staff. A spokesperson said that staff were being recruited and the aim was to ensure a "professional, dedicated effort" to examine whether Israel receives fair coverage in the media. The organisation, which is yet to be named, was in the "early stages of development", she added. It would not compete with other Israeli lobbying groups such as Bicom, the Britain-Israel Communications and Research Centre, which seeks to present Israel's case to journalists. It would be keen to co-operate with communal organisations. Among its senior staff will be Israeli lawyer Elisheva Mironi, who in 2002, with London lawyer Trevor Asserson, produced a ground-breaking report on the BBC's coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Zionist Federation president Eric Moonman, who has run a media monitoring group, said: "There is a lot of work to be done at the formal level of contacting editors of national newspapers which Bicom is doing. But there is a greater job to be done at the grass-roots level. I get calls every day from people doing that as volunteers. "If the set-up being considered will bring together all the volunteers, it can be only be to the credit of the organisers. "This organisation is not in any way a rival to Bicom. It will be doing a different job. It doesn't mean Bicom has failed or succeeded. The job that has not been done for 18 months or two years is to strengthen the grass-roots and that will now be addressed." Source: The Jewish Chronicle

Islamic extremists have no real grievance against the West, former British prime minister Tony Blair says, and Western democracies should stand up and say so. Mr. Blair said that, faced with terrorism and extremist rage, liberal-minded Westerners sometimes assume that "there's something that we should be doing, or have done, that is causing this." In fact, he told a lunchtime audience in Toronto yesterday, extremism is the result of an internal fight over the future of Islam, not any crime or injustice perpetrated by the West against Muslims. "The truth is that they have no sense of grievance against us," he said. "Truthfully, a Muslim in my country today has more freedom than they do in many Muslim countries." If democratic countries want to defeat extremism, he said, they have to be ready to say that it is more than the extremists' methods they abhor. "It is the presumed sense of grievance. It is the idea that we are the cause of an injustice." Instead of blaming themselves, he said, the democracies have to be proud of their values and confident that those values are right, not just for the West, but for people in Islamic countries that suffer under dictatorship or religious extremism. "We're not going to win this battle by half-apologizing for our own existence," he said. His comments got a round of applause from a sold-out audience in a downtown ballroom. Tickets to the event, An Afternoon with Tony Blair, co-sponsored by The Globe and Mail, went for $400 each. After his talk, which ranged from terrorism and globalization to leadership and the rise of China, Mr. Blair was asked a series of questions by Frank McKenna, Canada's former ambassador to the United States, who joined him on the podium. Mr. McKenna said many Canadians are feeling let down by the country's NATO allies, who have left Canada carrying an unequal load in dangerous southern Afghanistan. Without criticizing any NATO country, Mr. Blair said that the Western forces in Afghanistan have to stick with their mission, which he called "as noble a cause as you can imagine." "This is a fight that we're in - we didn't choose it - and we've got to take it on and keep at it until we win," he said to more applause. "What is actually happening is that our enemy is fighting back and they think they can outlast us. They think their determination is better than ours," he said. He said that terrorists in Afghanistan and elsewhere know that, in the age of mass media, their crimes can influence Western public opinion. "They know that for us there is nothing more terrible than the loss of the lives of our soldiers or carnage across the television screen." "Our determination to fight," he said, "can't be in inverse proportion to theirs, so that if they kill our soldiers or try to kill our citizens or try to injure and maim ordinary innocent people, which is what they do, then the appalling nature of that carnage can't sap our determination; on the contrary, it's got to make us more determined to fight back and succeed." Mr. Blair resigned in June after 10 years as Britain's prime minister, having won majorities in three straight elections. He is now acting as international peace envoy to the Middle East. Source: theglobeandmail.com Hat-tip: islamophobia-watch.com

^^^^He means he did her wrong dee.

Today... I am very sad, I spent too long reading the news this morning and last night I could not sleep, instead I spent hours reading about the sorry state of humans across the world. In addition humanitarian NGO's reports and endless unsuccessful campaigns has reduced me to a thoroughly depressed and hopeless state of mind. The world is messed up.

looool Shaaqaan laan baadan daadku! lol

What does "dambaaba" mean? (as in sin? or is that danbaaba?)

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Egyptian shopkeepers took advantage of the sudden surge in customers, swiftly raising prices of milk, taxi rides and cigarettes. Subxanallah, talk about kicking them while they are down. Muslims can be so heartless.

"If only it would sink into the sea". Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin referring to Gaza, just before signing the Oslo Accords. "I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child's existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do." Ariel Sharon, current Prime Minister, in an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956 We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." David Ben-Gurion , May 1948, to the General Staff. "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." Benjamin Netanyahu: Speech at Bar-Ilan University, 1989 "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum" "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000 "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." Israeli Prime Minister Menahim Begin in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988 :eek:

In early January, Israel ordered more cuts in the diesel supplies having a devastating effect on crucial power and water supplies. Although Israel has now resumed some diesel supplies, this latest action, added to the long-term ill-effects of months of blockade and decades of occupation, means the 1.5m Palestinians in Gaza are facing the worst humanitarian crisis ever. The political, economic and social isolation imposed on the occupied Gaza Strip violates international law and has dire consequences for future peace, development and security in the region. For those of you who are not active politically you can help in other ways. Food and water supplies are running out, and Islamic Relief is asking for help to help those in desperate situation. You can call them on 0208 5316752 to make your contribution.

Gaza has exploded. After months of crushing siege, thousands marched to the Rafah border and, defying police bullets, batons, dogs, and water canons, tore the fences behind which they have been caged for months, crossing into Egypt out of the Gazan abyss. Gaza is a big prison. A wall, electric fences and watchtowers manned by hundreds of armed soldiers make escape almost impossible. Israel's much vaunted disengagement is a fallacy. Gaza is still very much occupied. Even before Hamas was elected into power, the Israeli government not only severely restricted entry from the strip into Israel, but also controlled passage through the border crossing into Egypt and refused to allow the Palestinians to open their airport or seaport. Two months ago, the Annapolis summit was convened in the US to "kick start the peace process" and "lay the foundation for the establishment of a democratic Palestinian state." A week ago, Bush toured the region from Jerusalem to Riyadh and Sharm el Sheikh loaded with smiles, promises of peace and prosperity, and pledges of "staying engaged". But for Palestinians, life has grown more unbearable since Bush decided to get "engaged". Since Annapolis, the death toll of Palestinians killed by Israelis has soared 100%. The ratio of Palestinians to Israelis killed last year was the most unbalanced ever, at 40:1, up from 30:1 in 2006 and 4:1 from 2000-2005. The total death toll for 2007 stands at 322 Palestinians and eight Israelis. Of the eight, five were soldiers who died while carrying out military operations inside the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The pretext for these endless killings is the Qassam rockets. But the truth is that the daily incursions, assassinations, and embargo, have proceeded without fail before and after the rockets. The excuses change all the time, but the reality of occupation remains the same. Since the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections, Israel has sealed off all its crossings with Gaza with Washington's full backing. It has also exerted enormous pressure on the Egyptians to close the Rafah border, blocking the only point of passage from the beleaguered strip to the outside world. Gaza is at Israel's mercy. It depends almost totally on it for electricity and fuel, a result of the 38 years of Israel's direct control over of the Strip. This dependence has grown since June 2006, when Israel bombed Gaza's only power station. This was forced to close on Sunday when Israel blocked fuel shipment to the Strip. And, of course, no electricity does not mean dark candlelit nights only; it means no heating in the cold Gazan winter, and, more crucially, no water, with no fuel to pump, treat, or deliver the vital liquid to homes, schools, medical clinics or hospitals. It is difficult to imagine the depth of Gazans' misery. For months a terrible cloud of stench has been hanging over the tiny coastal strip. The sanitation system is in a state of paralysis. Raw sewage is spilling out on to the streets, homes and fields, and in order to save fuel, the city has stopped collecting garbage - 400 metric tons a day. The siege has reduced 85% of Gaza's 1.5 million inhabitants to total dependency on food aid, the highest rate anywhere in the world. More than 95% of businesses and factories have been forced to close their doors (3,500), leading to the loss of more than 65,000 jobs. For Gazans, border closures mean starvation. The health system is crippled, with rapidly declining medical supplies, generated by the blockage of international aid. Hospitals are out of funds. 107 types of basic medicines are depleted, 136 supplies, including syringes and tape are stopped at the border, and the number of patients permitted to leave for medical treatment has grounded almost to a halt, leading to tens of deaths. In this unfolding tragedy, borders and crossings have turned into instruments of collective punishment, Israel's way of crushing the Palestinians and bringing them to their knees. Yesterday, the US representative to the UN Zalmay Khalilzad intervened to block a draft resolution condemning Israel's immoral and inhumane siege of Gaza. This is hardly surprising. Nearly half of the vetoes cast since the UN came into being were by the US on behalf of Israel. This means granting Israel impunity to do as it pleases whatever the international community may think. Since 9/11, many in the US have been grappling with the question "why do they hate us?" Enormous amounts of money were and continue to be, pumped into a public diplomacy strategy aimed at improving America's image in the world. But the truth is that a mere glimpse of what goes on in Gaza today, or what went on in Jenin, Rafah, or Beit Hanoun before, is enough to undo the work of years of exchange programmes, speaking tours, and PR campaigns. No amount of money, propaganda, or diplomacy can erase the scenes of blood, destruction, and starvation. That is the truth the administration and its hired band of apologists in the US and across the Atlantic are bending backward to conceal from our sights. But try as they may, the people of the region will see America not as it wishes to be seen, but as they experience it first hand: an occupier or an occupier's accomplice. The Guardian

AAliyah! you are so funny! haha I second Pucca, baal make sure you invite me sis. Lily Loool I agree, But what is this Xareysi business, it is not like you suddenly become livestock. ^^way dhaanta "wa la ixareestay maad maqlin" naa maqlin in lagu xareestay... maalin dhextaas ayaa la ii xareestay..aroosku wa dhib ma ogtahay waxaan jecleesan in aan iska dhaafno....xarow buu igu yidhi waxaa idhi haye ii xareeso loool That is hilarious! looool. Why can't I say waanu xareeoneey? or is that unheard off?? I think everything sounds dirty in somali somehow!

I believe I made myself clear and broke it down to you several times KK. Take it how you like it, it cannot be any more clear or simpler! :rolleyes: Your last few threads are about my tendency or habits, ignorance etc. Regardless of your views on that front, it has nothing to do with the topic I originally called you on, and which you seem to want to avoid at all cost now. Therefore I will conclude you understand you previous error, and instead of just admitting the absurdity and stupidinimo of the thread, you are instead trying to claw back via personalising and changing the course of the thread. I will not entertain you in this respect. If you have nothing more to add to the TOPIC, then this little sheeko wee daamate. One can only hope that you will not come with those same flawed logic in public again. :cool: But then again caqli xumantu waa daalashu, there just aint helping some. :cool:

^^^^So many chances to wave the white flag were passed up, I cannot take reponsibility for others choices can I now! I'm hoping it would be a lesson well learnt to avoid repeat.

Ghan, waalaguugu yaqanay inaa dad ka isku dhadhajiso, but this is just getting rediculas walaalo…Seriously, you’re embarrassing yourself…One day hebel isku dhadhaji, next day heblayo, the following day hadana hebel cusub, and now MMA maa naf ka doontay…You are turning out to be a drama queen and it is already getting a bit too boring little girl… Irrelevant here, but I align myself whoever happens to be presenting an argument in each thread, who knows, maybe one day, there will be a thread where you make perfect sense and I will align my point of view with yours. I’m not friends with these hebel iyo heblayo you speak of, simply their arguments are valid this particularly thread. Now as for listening to you or considering other views, may I point out a very simple fact to you and others: Somaliland was/is never a country in the eyes of this great green place we call EARTH… so far so good (although was is highly disputed) but I don't need you to point out the obvious, Somaliland does not have international recognition. Now that is something you should consider, after all the ‘whole’ world can’t be mad, and you sane, no? maybe you should not have assumed that I was a Somaliland state supporter. :rolleyes: Land of Somali has nothing to offer to this world, why do you think it is not getting the recognition it desperately seeks…Cuz the world knows it will gain nothing from it… again you are blurring the lines between politics and people, the land of Somali has a lot to offer to the world, for it can take care of and feed its own people and sustain a living for the citizens there, hence taking a burden away from the rest of the world. Furthermore it is a refugee for all people of Somali origin as it remains in peace and stability. So again haa iska haadlin Sxb. Besides why the need to always prove something to us…Look at the great lengths you are going to get me to understand your point of view…If I don’t want to understand, simply move on…It is as if our approval will get you recognised…NO, NO, NO…Just let it go and go about your business, I am sure you have more important thing in your life, then trying to persuade KK to understand your calaacal… firstly who is us?? Secondly I’m going to great length because I’m embarrassed for you and I’m hoping that understanding will enable you to open your eyes, mind and stop bothering us with absurdity silly threads such as this. Furthermore anigu kuumaan soo doon, you entered my business by posting you trash in public. If you cannot handle criticism, correction or justify your position you should have kept it **** **** l***** **** and not publicised it. Finally I do not see Somaliland chasing you, adgi laga kaar laayah ooh daabasocoda, so dig please and let them be. Again you are still missing Thepoint's point, just like you are missing everything else! Maanaga kuu xishoodan baan maaqli yiri :rolleyes: :cool: P.s. If you really want me to leave you alone, then stop making ignorant arguments that you cannot defend, otherwise I will call you on it every time I get a chance! I enjoy seeing you trying to defend the un-defendable. [ January 24, 2008, 03:09 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

^^^Do you have a wife there, you are always on your way to Boorame! fishy business.

^^^Yes It was a good offer.

^^^I guess we can get the New Zealand folks to change to something else as well, after all it is grammatically incorrect. “Landers” say they are “Somali” I’ve never seen anyone say “I’m Lander” to non-Somali's. KK, sometimes it is good to iska amus with grace my dear, if you think I'm mad for calling you on this idea, even MMA Haddaan meel iska dhigno the silliness, absurdity of this thread, Now if you won't listen to me, at least consider the other views! We can't all be mad, and you sane. Looool you misunderstood Thepoint's point dear! looool HAHa it is almost as funny as his original comment! lool.

Any goals that you as an individual set or wish's that you have, do you think you will get to do all those things before time is up?

^^^I did not go, I had a better offer and end up somewhere else! loool @nealry cried! you poor thing!

^^^^loool don't worry about that, but the kids will have a laugh every time you run pass them now! Morning to u too.