Originally posted by Pi: Sowie! Dunno anthying about it. But I cant help but ask: are you sure that Gardening is not Bid'ah? Besides, way too many Kaafirs consider it their favourite pastime. I wanna be different and stick with the pure Sunnah, so count me out. I could use some of the Manure that you wrote for my garden. Thanks!

Assalamun caliykum, Waryadha, Have any of you nomads any experience or familiarity with GARDENING? Do you know of Any sites that might be useful? I want to try it out inshallah and since we are in March, it might be a good time to start-or am I too late?

I dedicate this one to Naden, the Liberterian

DP

Originally posted by naden: [QB] ThePoint, I changed my mind about how much more I have to say about this topic. But only because a couple of distinct points are being discussed simultaneously and should be clarified. What a Fragile Ego! :rolleyes:

Bigot Definition: A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. Source Main Entry: big·ot Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices Source Some comments made by Naden on this thread She was proselytizing about the purity and wonders of Somalia when everyone knows the hundreds of thousands who ran with their tail between their legs know how desolate it is. Naden, how did you and your family manage to run ohhh, so well 'between your legs' into the wonderful land that you currently reside in? I said it earlier in the thread and I will say it again. Anyone who gets all excited about this return to the earth crap, give your kafir/western passport to someone your age in Somalia and stay there enjoying the caano geel and no one would be the wiser. She is the one who finds the Western world objectionable and describes a Utopic Somalia. My call for anyone who does that to return to Somalia is a simple extension of their arguments. Arguments that are shallow and self-deceiving. When you find a place intolerable and a threat to your faith, don't waste your breath trying to get others to see things your way, simply leave. Again, put the Quran on the table and back away slowly where I can see your hands. You don't scare me. Keep repeating that to yourself, sooner or later you will be delusional enough to never explore any issues of poverty and lawlessness. Again, I wasn't the one who brought up the contrast between the two. The sister's post repeatedly paralleled Somalia vs. the West. And honestly, I used the Cheney pellets equivalent to disagree with the original post's thesis statement. The next time I run across a trite argument that paints a romantic, glib view of today's Somalia, I will point my kalashnikov up their asses and pull the trigger The next time I run across a trite argument that paints a romantic, glib view of today's Somalia, I will point my kalashnikov up their asses and pull the trigger

Posted by ThePoint: What is a 'return to earth crap'? Not quite sure what such a subjective statement really tells one. So she mentions positive aspects of somalia - she automatically has to give up her western passport and live there? This is hyperbolic nonsense. You may as well say - 'oh you don't like it here in the West because you're protesting Guantanamo Bay etc - Give up your passport and go back home'. This is BS - and this argument is moronic and generally used by bigots. It's interesting that a Somali is using the inverse of this latter argument. Excellent Points!

Originally posted by Nur: Sheherzade sis I feel for you sis, your words speak emotions all over them, I will assure you that if you dont like it for yourself that it will not happen, isnhAllah (unless you are #1), but this medium is quite pubic, I have read a lot of wat yo write that I dont accept, but I never came to protest it, I respect that your ideas have fans, so i keep my views on your views to myself unless I have a valid argument to negate it in a constructive waw, as a moderator, you are expected to keep your composture, open mindedness, (sicat sadr) in Arabic, repeating your boredom may signal impatience, moderators need patience to succeed in their roles. And while I am at it, I shall excercise my full rights to bore, I shall repost my last polygamy contraversial post again, and again, an again. Nur

Originally posted by Sharmarkee: Salaam, Viking, Not in million years maybe but as we live in here, what are we going to do ... Just watch? or take part and try to influence for our own benefits maybe, imagine the power of suggestion when you have a friends in high places, I think it will make a difference, as we know also we didn't done well in back home for social justice's sake, I assume we cannot be refugees for so long … it’s not good for our mental health, let us try if we can take part, and promote at least equality and partnership in education and employment for our community, and for our neighbourhood, I for one am not into politics neither don't have any idea about politics, but trying to encourage incase there is anyone out there going for it and with Credentials and unemployed at the moment, I am sure I make my support ready for him or her, whichever way I can. Economic Prowse is what counts, saxib. Those who have it, yield influence in the political spectrum.

Originally posted by naden: No she wasn't. She was proselytizing about the purity and wonders of Somalia when everyone knows the hundreds of thousands who ran with their tail between their legs know how desolate it is. life here is so stress free, you see people who might not even have anything to eat but they never frown or get depressed, people here have strong faith and trust in Allah, their culture and faith is so untainted by kafirism. What the hell is that all about? Coming from someone who probably has both the passport and the money to go for this rapturous excursion and then run back to the west. No one wants to be hungry and the looks on their faces are not peace but resignation to agony. A stress free life leads only to people being hungry, faith alone doesn't build hospitals and schools. it seems the ones in the west take the western individualistic culture, but the ones here masha'Allah it makes me so proud of my country I said it earlier in the thread and I will say it again. Anyone who gets all excited about this return to the earth crap, give your kafir/western passport to someone your age in Somalia and stay there enjoying the caano geel and no one would be the wiser. Originally posted by Abdu lNoor: [qb] Asslaamu Alaykum, Brothers, the sister was just informing of us about her trip and sharing her views, the least we can do is wish her a happy and safe trip instead of argue about the morality of west and east. [/quote Somehow u remind me of Opinionated/D.A..

Cons, Are u PUNKIN' the nomads?

Kashanre, Mabruuk saxib, you and I are in the same 'group' according to SOL's Master Spammer. Its a pleasure saxib for you and I to be known as 'like minded' nomads, Alhamdulillah. Naden, Do a little SEARCH on SOL for that Topic that you went off on a TANGENT with. It has been discussed on SOL several times.

Originally posted by Thinker: Our success lies not in obeying our thirsts but in controlling them in obedience to Allah. Our goal is not to maximize our pleasures here, but to reach the house of eternal pleasures. Once we embrace this perspective, it brings joy to this life as well, but it is a materially different kind of joy than one finds in obeying one's basal desires. The Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, said, "The coolness of my eyes lies in offering Salat." Let us heed the wake-up call from the Prophet saw : "I have not seen anything as dreadful as the Fire whose evader is asleep and anything as desirable as Paradise whose seeker is asleep." I agree, this is good advice, jazaAllah khayrun!

Originally posted by Xoogsade: How materialistic is it to alleviate poverty and provide communities with the means of education and jobs? There is Hierarchy in all and for the Muslims, that is not that at the TOP of the Hill. For if that was the case, then Capitalism would be the ideal Political theory to follow for Muslims. Alleviating poverty has to be done under the Islamic Parameters re: Zakat, sadqa,eliminating riba sources etc. Likewise are provisions for education and jobs. A Muslim party can't have a heavily sided-Horizantal platform re: allocating funds and resources. The Methodolgy can't become the PURPOSE of the Islamic state/Party. Did I get you wrong or you were saying Hamas based their campaign on materialistic agenda? Granted, eradication of corruption and ensuring all the wealth goes back to the community in the form of services was their platform, I fail to see how that would be wrong islamically.Isn't that the responsibility of governments and if they fail in that they should be relieved of their duties so someone else who can do that be put in place? The mistake is in participating in a system that has been set up to curtail RELIGION re: democracy. Once you have done that, you are playing in an 'alien field' wherein the rules and regulations are already SET UP for you to LOSE. Where is Islam, when people go hungry and jobles-thats what the people will ask? But Islam didn't promise FULL BELLIES and Heaven on Earth....Hamaas made those promises, at the very least-implicitly, through participatiing in an democractic election. People want dunya driven things like you have stated, and that is their Priority ABOVE ALL ELSE. So if tomorrow, there is no 3 course meal on the table, then the people will get angry and accuse Hamaas of 'FAILING THEM'. The deen is there to do WHAT IS RIGHT regardless of peronal preferences.The deen is not their to 'FILL BELLIES'. Thats not the aim, its a Part i.e. trying to do justice on earth, but not the Whole aim of the deen (To be Slave of God, Prepare us for OUR return to our Lord). This idea of governments staying in place forever and leaders staying on unchallenged is what put islam where it is. There is no accountability although some islamic governments are better than others. What is wrong with Stability and some sort of Permenance?... The Amirs would be checked by the ULAMA that is the Ideal. I am of the preference that infact, the ULAMA should be the leaders and it is amongst them that leaders emerge from, for afterall, they are the best in the islamic community. Look, Democracy feeds People's EGOS/XAWOS. Plain and simplely, why else would people support it. It sounds very enticing when you tell someone-You have a say (doesn't have to be Right or Wise...but hey, You have a Say). Next time, go and ELECT what DOCTORS you want to be at your Local Hosiptal based on their Campaigan Platform, or what they said to you and your friends etc...Sounds sttupidd doesn't it!

Laacantu Allahi caliyheem jaameecan.

Originally posted by LayZieGirl: quote:As for finding children burdensome, I find that those feelings are common amongst traditional Somali women. From, my observations, Somalis though they have many children aren’t very child friendly. Intaa wey ka cabonayaan about the sacrifices that they make for their children, their always ranting and raving about parental rights but pay little attention to that of the child. Honest to Allah, they depress me. Blessed, I whole heartily agree with you. A large number of Somali mothers do find their children a burden, but who can blame them? 3 or 4 children, only 1 year and half apart, no support from the useless husband/father. He won't even lift a finger to help her around with the children, forget the household chorus. We wonder why these mothers are so bitter towards their children? They are angry, they feel like slaves and most importantly all that hate feeling she has towards the no good farah is taken upon the child/children, since he isn't home for her to hate on him, she will hate on the next person, and that is the child. Getting back to the poster and his perfect little world. It doesn't surprise me that you would agree with Women finding motherhood a hobby nowadays, everyone knew that was coming. How you can still exist in society just shocks me. Really, you are not even funny anymore. Let’s say some women might actually find motherhood a hobby, what is wrong with having hobbies, and especially a child as a hobby? Atleast women won't run out on their children, hobby or not. Women will always stick by that child, whether she wants to or not, where is the man? Where are the Farahs? Thousands of miles away, pretending to be single and courting other females so he can make more women bitter? What does a man bring to the table? Absolutely nothing. They can't even get a decent paying job nowadays, therefore that whole saying of MEN BEING "BREAD WINNERS" is out of the door. All I am saying is, a woman is everything to a man, where as the man is nothing to a woman. All of you men out there, you have atleast one woman in your life in the following categories. A mother, A wife, A sister, An aunt, A grandmother. If any of those above choose to find motherhood as a hobby, that’s their prerogative PS:Much love to the mothers who love being with their children, happy and willing to sacrifice, if that means no life outside of the child, much respect 2 you for making that decision. I just wish I can say the same about the fathers. Lets give an Honorary P.H.D. to Layzie GGGG Hating all the time on the faraaxs. Making motherhood A HOBBY is an insult to the GIFT of motherhood and if ANY mother views motherhood as a HOBBY or treats it so....then her competency as a Mother is to be seriously QUESTIONED and Assessed!!!

Salamz, Saxib, JZK for the article. When do kids start to show certain distinguisable traits? Is it at 18months as the article states or 2yrs etc.?

Like I said before I reject the Sunnah, I explained my reasons. I'm not trying to dissuade you from adhering to the Sunnah. It is your right to worship anything you please. Just like it is my right to worship who I please -- God and God only. B/c you explained your 'Reasons' does not give you a 'RIGHT' to yell 'I'M A KAFIR' on here. We are nomads and by in large-MUSLIM. Thats were our identity and values stem from. Rejecting the Sunnah is clear KUFFIR. No ifs or buts about it. If I were a Mod. I would DELETE the comments that you made on this thread in a hearbeat. Abraar, don't bother responding to him as his 'PURPOSE' has been unraveled by MMA and in SB's writings on this thread. SB, Allah yahdeeka!

Salamad, ^^^ I enjoy reading the wonderful experiences of nomads in their visits abroad. Very good observations about the diff. in Worldviews of nomads in somalia and those abroad in the west. Modesty, Sounds like your having a nice time-Dubai, Xamer... by the way, are you Fishing down there?

Originally posted by Legend of Zu: Incase, you dont realise Salman Rushdie and Nadji and their likes have done for Islam a greater service which they have never intended or wanted. So Dude, Stop Screaming everytime you see things like this and stop crying over it! and more over Stop bringin Ngonge to every topic and discussion. Cheers [/QB] I agree with some of things you said in the rest of your response. But at the end, you confused 'Personal Liking' and 'Irritation' with what is GOOD and what is RIGHT. Alhamdulillah, calla kuliye xaal... This danish newspaper is feeding the fuel for their own fire. To conjure up a bunch of Murtaadeen/those that left islam and a bunch of munafiqeen who make their fame and fortune from bashing ISLAM, is damn insult and a real spit in the face of all muslims. This is pure shaytanic and as a muslim it bothers me and is very humuliating to muslims for such people to be allowed a 'Mic' or 'Pen' to mouth their shiiidh at our Deen. LaacuntAllahi caliyheem!

Salamun caliykum, I agree with Abraar's definition and explanation. JazakAllah khayrun walaal. Making a 'methodology' that 'Purpose' is wherein the confusion lays. Hence, why literacy->good grades->good job is a Methodology and should be always EXAMINED under ths scope of 'PURPOSE OF LIFE'. What has happened is that the Purpose of life has been RE-DEFINED and often BLURRED for those that believe in Religion. To the point, that ALL METHODOLOGIES i.e. what books to read and should be taught in school, how to get a job,where to live etc. have become SELF-SERVING.

Originally posted by Mr. Jibis: a pile of steaming xaar that is the Jyllands-Posten. Hey Ngonge, Your favorite characters (Rushdie and Manji)have been rounded up by JP (the danish news paper). To you, do they still stand for 'Dialogue' in the muslim world?

Originally posted by ibtisam: ^^so what do you call individuals who have twisted interpretations of Islam, fundamentalist, Islamist countries (Government regimes that claim shirah Rule) while abusing people, and murdering to maintain their rule. Ibtisam, when's the last time you lived/visited Iran or Afghanistan? Or are you re-affirming anti-islamic agenda via IMAGES that are pushed by the media e.g. bbc, fox,cnn...etc.? I understand what you are saying, but we must understand that the term "Islamism" exist because there are extreme Muslims, it is not a western invention intended to offend Muslims. There are Muslims who via there actions give the Muslims a bad name. When people can not distinguish between Islam and The actions of individuals, as far as they are concerned Islam is the problem. I personally think it is misunderstanding of the scripture, its legislations and most of all, the implementation of those instructions that is the problem. The direct result is that Islam gets brushed under the table as a backward ideology based on 7th century revelation that is out of touch now. :eek: :eek: :eek: You can't base what is GOOD with Personal Liking. Thats Moral Relativism. Before someone jumps the bandwagon, i do not and did not support the papers previous actions nor their current story, and i am not justify it, just showing a different perspective. Cheers Is that your Disclaimer? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Libertarian: 2) Personally, I will continue to support the building of elementary and intermediate schools back home. No sense giving money to universities that crop up every month when basic literacy is in peril. Raising the basic literacy of my people is central to my mission in life, it is the only way to life people out of misery and exploitation. I've volunteered in literacy programs in one form or another for the past 10 years. My effort in the past few has been largely financially supporting small schools and sending books and supplies whenever I can. The 'purpose' of my life, as I understood the question, is to use my education and principals to promote education. Worshipping God is a given and the purpose of the creation of mankind. It is not a 'given' to most people, hence the need for Revelation and constant reminders. According to traditional religions; One's life should be re-aligned constantly and consistently fit into the Thesis of Life-worshipping their Lord etc. So I can't understand where there can be a 'Secularization' of Life into Personal life goals and all else. Naden/libi, How will 'literacy' help others to achieve the Thesis of Life? And by litercacy, what language should they be 'literate' in and why? Some of you can't seem to understand that an individual life can have a differing purpose than another. You've answered the question to your understanding and it would be great not to throw up all over anyone else's. Your faith won't fall out of your head if you're not preaching and mocking others. Once again, attacking other nomads.....

Writers attack 'Islamism' Brand ideology 'new totalitarian threat' to world Document called racist, provocative by many Muslims Mar. 2, 2006. 08:03 AM FRANCINE KOPUN Islamism is the new totalitarianism, according to a controversial manifesto published this week in European papers and signed by 12 prominent writers worldwide, including Toronto's Irshad Manji, and Salman Rushdie, who remains the subject of a fatwa for his 1988 novel, The Satanic Verses. "After having overcome cafascism, Nazism and Stalinism, the world now faces a new totalitarian threat: Islamism," reads the statement, published on the front page yesterday of Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that sparked violent worldwide protests when it ran ricatures of the Prophet Muhammad. The manifesto calls Islamism "a reactionary ideology which kills equality, freedom and secularism wherever it is present" and the authors urge "resistance to religious totalitarianism and ... the promotion of freedom, equal opportunity and secular values for all." Many Muslims were strongly critical of the document, however, calling it racist and provocative. In addition to Rushdie and Manji, the author of The Trouble with Islam Today: A Muslim's Call for Reform in Her Faith, the signatories include French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy; Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born Dutch MP; Philippe Val, the editor of Charlie Hebdo, the left-wing French paper that republished the cartoons to show solidarity with the Danish paper, and Ibn Warraq, a U.S. academic and author of Why I am Not a Muslim. The manifesto was also published in Charlie Hebdo. Manji expects that it will appear in several more European papers this week. "I decided to do it because it's important for the public to know that even a faithful Muslim can — and does — support free expression," Manji wrote in response to questions emailed to her by the Star. "Tolerance of intolerance is a betrayal of our basic and shared humanity." She said she's anticipating hostile reaction from Muslims like the one who said to her last week: "You and that ******* partner Rushdie ..." but says she's received lots of support from younger Muslims especially, who want to reconcile religious belief to free expression. She calls that good news. "Only five years ago, such a statement would have been almost universally condemned by Muslims. Now, more and more reform-minded Muslims are discovering their voices." Some Canadian Muslims deplored the manifesto. "It's quite a childish kind of ranting of these people. I also note a kind of desperation in their tone," said Zafar Bangash, President of the Islamic Society of York Region. He said some of the signatories are lapsed Muslims, including Rushdie. "All of these people are misfits as far as Muslims are concerned. What they are saying is quite racist and is Islamophobic." The manifesto will serve only to increase Islamophobia, which is already on the rise, said Jamal Badawi, professor emeritus at St. Mary's University in Halifax. Depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist in the cartoons, which were reprinted in Europe, the U.S., and three publications in Canada, implied that he preached terrorism. The cartoons fostered the idea that Muslims who follow his path are terrorists who should be subjected to mockery, hate and violence, he said. Muslims in Denmark were also critical of the manifesto, according to a news story to appear in Jyllands-Posten today, said the paper's night editor Steen Hansen. "They think it's too confrontational, too right-wing extremist." He would not comment on why the paper chose to run the manifesto. The editor-in-chief of the paper has taken the position that there will be no comment on the matter, he added. The manifesto was one of at least three to appear this week, calling for calm in the Muslim world in the wake of weeks of violent protests in which dozens of people have been killed. Yesterday, nationalreview.com, the Web base for the conservative American news magazine of the same name, published "A Muslim Manifesto," calling for an end to the violence. "A zeal for Allah is rightful only when it is expressed in an enlightened manner, since Allah himself has ordained a restrained response," wrote Mustafa Akyol, a writer and journalist based in Turkey, and Zeyno Baran, director of International Security and Energy Programs at The Nixon Center. Baran said yesterday that reaction after the first day of the posting was generally positive. If moderates fail to speak up, Islam will be taken over by political extremists, she said. "If you politicize Islam then it's not Islam anymore and the whole religion becomes polluted by that," she said. "It is for the moderate Muslims and the average Liberal Muslim a huge threat that these people are becoming mainstream. Moderate Muslims have to start speaking out against them." Earlier in the week, a plea from 11 Canadian Muslim academics and activists ran on the Star's opinion page, urging Canadian politicians and intellectuals to defend freedom of expression. Source