Yes, north and south mudug share cultural and economical history and linkages and even have even similarities in terms of political culture. Qaarna Xamar ayee u boob tageen, qaarna xeebaha. they are unseperateble.

Alpha, in 1993 I used to wear my pance turned around, mimicking Kris Kros. waxa la yaabanahay iminka, kuwan suwaalka u ka dhiciyo.

Inaar, good thread. But I think our national personification should not be personalised but rather a sympol of struggle, hope, peace, rebuilding and harmnoy. Something like this: Senegal's national personifaction has a six pack and check the females upper body. inaar, we can beat that.

Tarzan is my Governor and the Governor of all Banadir folks. He undestands that, I dont think an Unuka in his position would understand that.

Faroole appoints a "Court", 5 years after his mandate started and just before his re-election. Just for the sake of ruling in his favour when there is a dispute on his re-election. Faroole is a smart man and he will use any cosmetic procedure out there, but all will depend on the people and if they accept his 'charade' or not.

its hilarious. the arabic nasheed is beautifull. I am still waiting for the French Somaliland song.

yes, he is. And as the Governor of a region with 16 disctrict, his opinion carries weight and cannot be ignored.

Banaadir, you are a sensible man. this idea could actually work, Somalia consisting of 4 major diver strong region with political, cultural and economic linkages. these regions would have significant populations and would even make it easier to govern, as the role of clan and clannism would be reduced signifactly in the politics and governance of those regions.

listen to 4.25min.

loool@diif ku raage.

Reer Banaadir;946442 wrote: Those of you advocating federal states in somalia and those that are oppose to it I have an idea where both of you gain something and lose at the same time. How about if we go back to the regions somalia was composed of when it gained independence.They were six in the south and two in the north, from there we demand that two regions can form a state that way it reduces the idea of a single clan dominating a state and forcing integrations among clans, and the sharing of the resources of that state by all. If you don't remember the regions that existed at the time of independence the southern was were MJtenia (Bari and nugaal), Mudug ( Mudug and Galgaduud), Hiiraan, Banaadir( Banaadir, middle and lower shabeele), upper (gedo, Bay and bakool) and lower (lower and middle jubas) Jubas. The northern regions were two Hargeisa wich was NW and Burao. We can say that Mudug and Bari should be made one and called NE, Hiiraan and Banaadir made one or Hiiraan and upper Juba that wiil be called SW, Banaadir and Lower Juba that will be called SE and the north should be called NW joining those two regions that gives somalia four big states with diverce clans and the federal government can demand that in order for states to get more fund they shoul encorage diversity in clans and equility among it citizens with in the state. Aboow Banaadir, this is quite a good idea. But the whole idea of Somali 'federalism' is not to create divers strong regions with economic and political linkages but to create 'clan' states in order to boost the ego and confidence of certain lots. How do you mitigate those underlying reactionary waves?

Illyria;946439 wrote: And finally, in these lines, there is a fallacy, which the SNL Northerners have been peddling for years in their claim that they were the nationalist pioneers of the union, but others were too polite to puncture a hole through their chauvinistic absurdities. They played a role, but the truth remains there were two factors that influenced the SNL folks to come to Xamar: the nationalist campaign fervour of SYL in all Somali territories including NFD, Somali Galbeed, Jibouti, and of course British Somaliland , and the bellows of USP who saw their place at the table of the union. Ilyria, rewriting history are we? SYL played no significant role in the former British Somaliland. It were SNL and USP who championed the Union and came to Xamar and made the Union possible. Come again.

I understand Gedo folks inhabitate Kismayo in great numbers these days and have even settlements to only 40 km away from Kismayo. Even Barre Hiraale is cruising the Kismayo seas in a boat. They aint confined to Gedo anymore.

Safferz;946263 wrote: Ace of Base will never be R&B no matter how loosely you try and interpret the genre. I'm impressed you know bell hooks But please, leave the 90s R&B reminiscing to those of us who were in North America to really hear it. You can contribute when a thread calls for posting Spice Girls music. I agree. All the kids should leave this thread to us who are 30+. Alpha, inaar, please leave this thread you know nothing of the 90's, you were watching X-men and Pokemon cartoon and that doesnt count as peaking during the 90's. Alpha, in the 90's were dancing bubbling. i dont even think you know what that is.

Oodweyne;946392 wrote: This song moved me beyond words. For it tell the tragedy of the Somali politics, and how words - artistic ones - do have a better sense of capturing ( even if it's a sentimental way) that reality than all political exhortation a passing politician could spout off. And lastly both of these ladies have artistically eloquent words not to say a water-tight logic behind their stance. Hence the tragedy of the Somali political predicament. Indeed a moving song. Inshallah one day that unity that the Somali people are craving for will become reality.

D.O.C;946221 wrote: My all time crew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DA BLACK STREEEEEEEET No diggity, no doubt. they were the best. I think Blackstreet sympolizes the beginning of the R&B 90's as I remember them. After Blackstreet, black R&B never left the charts.

Alpha, cant you record the rain on video and post it.

Alpha, my first world cub was in 1990 Italy hosted the event. My first girlfriend I had in 1994 last year of Intermediate. Alpha, in the 90's I had already shuun.

Alpha Blondy;946207 wrote: oh yeah? how old were you in the 90s? Alpha kid, In 1998(the height of the 90's) I was 16 years old and going to places, I went to my first Somali party in 1998, the the miss Somali election party. caadi me eheen. what were you doing in 1998, watching Ninja Turtles in your pjamas sunday morning?

This thread is dedicated to the black soul and R&B from the 90's. These songs represent for me the 90's, when live was simple, love was sweet(and free), playing Nintendo was fun, white girls loved us black guys, when every weekend was a new experience, when the world consisted only of opportunities, when clubbing was fun, when Somali girls looked like super models, when wedding parties were the place to be, when fashioned mattered, when one would get a new hair dress every new season, when we visited every concert in the vicitinity, when black clothes were the most fashionable clothes, when going to the movies was a expensive and exciting experience, when a new movie would be in the cinema for months. Many youngster never experienced the sweet 90's and don't know what they missed. Only to hear from us how exciting and sweet it was.

http://hiiraan.com/news4/2013/May/29209/somalia_security_forces_hamstrung_by_corruption_infiltrators.aspx Somalia's security forces need rebuilding to cement gains made by foreign troops against Islamist militants, but how to pay and arm recruits, tackle corruption and prevent rebels infiltrating their ranks remain hurdles for the cash-strapped government. Proving the dire state of the Somali forces, when Islamist gunmen attacked a court in Mogadishu in April, police said they couldn't tell who was friend or foe, while members of the force say a $100-a-month salary is not enough to inspire loyalty. "Shoe shiners have a better life," said a junior police officer, who only gave his name as Hussein. "They are not targets and they get a better income." Emerging from two decades of anarchy, security gains in the past two years have been made largely thanks to African peacekeepers spearheading the fight against al Qaeda-linked al Shabaab rebels. Western powers, long worried Somalia is a launch pad for militant Islam in east Africa and beyond, fear the nation could slide back into chaos if local forces cannot cement gains. How to overhaul its security forces will top the agenda at a May 7 conference in London, where Britain and Somalia will seek more international support at a time al Shabaab are weakened and piracy off the Horn of Africa is at an all-time low. A threat by Ethiopian troops to withdraw from Somalia has raised questions over how the stretched African Union peacekeeping force, known as AMISOM, would be able to plug the gap and highlighted the need for Somalia to build its own capacities. "Somali armed forces need building up, their police need expanding," Britain's Foreign Secretary William Hague told Reuters when he re-opened Britain's embassy in Mogadishu. "There are many huge challenges and dangers that remain and the world mustn't think that we have solved all the problems or that its help isn't needed," he said. Washington and Brussels already help pay African troops and Somalia's forces. Hague said Britain's permanent diplomatic presence signalled London's confidence, although the makeshift embassy's four metal cabins lie behind two blast walls within the fortified airport. Elected in September, Somalia's President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud said security was "priority number one, two and three". PEACEKEEPERS It is clear why. Mohamud's government depends on the 18,000 or so African troops to survive, and the poorly armed, poorly paid and ill-disciplined military is in no position to take over. When Ethiopia grumbled AMISOM was not doing enough to take over places its troops had secured and withdrew in a huff from Hudur, near Ethiopia's border, al Shabaab retook the dusty town. That signalled how swiftly al Shabaab, now largely confined to rural areas, could regroup if any vacuum is left. Diplomats do not expect Ethiopia to leave the African troops stranded. "It is not in Addis Ababa or anyone's interest to see al Shabaab move back in. Ethiopia clearly understands that," a senior Western diplomat said. "But now we have to tie up what AMISOM is doing and what the Somali National Army is doing." More a collection of rival militias than a cohesive fighting force, the army lacks sophisticated command structures and has been dogged by soldiers selling off their guns and uniforms. Frequently that gear ends up in Mogadishu's markets, or in the hands of al Shabaab. More worrying, security officials say, is the number of militants infiltrating the armed forces. In the April attack on the capital's law courts, the attackers were disguised in official military fatigues. During the chaotic gun battle, a Reuters photographer saw one group of soldiers point their guns at another group, also in uniform. "Hey stop, who are you? Go back!" They too raised their rifles and replied "We are security forces, and who are you?" "EAT YOUR BULLETS" Mistrust is not limited to those in Somalia's forces. Somalia's allies are also wary. The United Nations has partially lifted an arms embargo, allowing in light weapons to help Somali forces, but has maintained a ban on heavy arms. "They have to visibly demonstrate they can control what they buy and receive before we go further," said a Western official. President Mohamud and foreign powers say security sector reform must extend beyond the military to the police force which officially numbers around 6,000, nearly all of whom are in Mogadishu - reflecting the government's limited reach. Plans to add 4,000 more would still leave the national force less than a third the size of New York city's police department. A government-approved strategic plan for the police force acknowledged some officers have never received any training while others learned their trade as militia loyal to warlords. One diplomat said foreign assistance to the police force amounted to "life support". More generosity may be required to make it a more professional security operation. "If only we could get $500 a month, al Shabaab would be extinct," said a second officer who identified himself as Omar. "We would stand in the alleyways day and night and pick them off like ripe bananas."

Election speech of Egal in 1993 at Borama Conference

Borama Conference in 1993

Re-opening of Hargeysa Airport in 1997 by President Egal(AUN)

Lets first think about freeing Al Shabaab from the region, then start the process of a genuine bottem-up reconciliation that is so direly needed between the communities in Jamaame, Jilib, Luuq, Baardhere, Afmadoow, Doolow, etc and then we can start with real state building. I really dont care if these states would be based on 1,2 or 3 Provinces that is for the local communities to decide after all constuling all communities/districts. If this is not done, then I am afraid we will see another decade of renegade district seceding from the Jubba State.