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  2. To the ADMIN 'WHAT IS GOING ON HERE ?, who ever you are you day dreaming What I wrote was a parody a JOKE and I USED FAGASH in Irony, there was no clan insults. Yeah I am talking to you with that caucasian face, you need to stop editing my articles, it wont do. So next time you will edit what you dont like, like if i wrotte something with PUNTLAND, or SOMALILAND in it you will take it out at your wim? HELL NO Brother/sister unless you acting like SIYAD and clan does bot exist I suggest you bring back what I wrote and let the people judge id it was meant as an insult or not. There is duel here between people if you don’t like people expressing their opinion then say so, U MAD MULLAH’s from TEHRAN. So Admin 2 brother if this is an open forum tell me if not tell me so I can be on my way. PUT MY ARTICLE BACK
  3. Hey, BARI_NOMAD you in the picture son?, damn you are famous say CHEESE Liibaax, A better picture of RIYAALE? Brother I think it shows his best side LOL XIIS, The world had great anticipation for the BIG one RIYAALE Vs YUSUF, both contestant showed desire and discipline. Both trained long hours claiming they would knock out the other. YUSUF was winning fight after fight, taking on JAMAC CALI JAMAC, and Unifying the PUNTLAND belts. He even gave a bruising to OSMAN ATO and SUDI YALAXOW some of the MOGADISHU amateurs. RIYYALE lost blooded he threw in the towel at LAS ANO, after that encounter with unknown PUNTLAND fighter XABSADE, The Bomber from Borama wasn’t taken seriously anymore the people could see there was something wrong with him, he wasn’t focused enough. Then came the catastrophe his legacy was cemented on the day he took 16 rounds and score of corrupt ringside judges to declare him winner against the super middle weight (not a natural heavy) RIYAALE the BURCO BOSS of BOSSES. After that fight the GUN from GALKACYU took his attentions elsewhere and now is training hard to unify all the belts south of SOOL and SANAG. Riyaales camp want a fight but HBO , HABAR BROTHER ONLINE, wont promote as RIYAALE is all washed up. SO RIYAALE OUT it’s the PHANTOM VS DESERT EGAL
  4. Who will be the Undisputed PRESIDEEENT of 2003 Mogadishu is represented by the RING EXPERT, DECEPTION IS HIS TRADE THE PHANTOM FROM GALGADUUD ABDIQASIN SALAD XASAN Weighing in slightly light this distinguished boxer a south paw expert former NSS commander now PRESIDENT DAHIR quick feet RIYAALE KAHIN THE BORAMA BOMBER The veteran chalanger 3450 fights with a record 3449 KO’s the THE GUN FROM GALKACYU ABDULLAHI YUSUF AHMED
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  6. Sammygirl , you are a comedian girl, “horrid union” LOL. Your whole ideology is based on lets break up lets separate, and you actually believe that the people of Somaliland region hate those in the rest of Somalia. HA. Girl wake up smell the coffee and realise that first most of your problems will not be solved if Somaliland was recognised tomorrow morning. However that Ego of yours would get a boost but then what? That Union was bad that’s why the whole of the SOMALI people fought SIYAD till he was no more. My dear Somaliland is a Somali entity withers independent or dependent, and I might hate the secessionist lies and propaganda and certain fascist clannish sectarian sentiment such as “no more XAMAR” what did “XAMAR” do? I love Somaliland and its people like I love the people of XAMAR and BADOA and KISMAYU and CADADO. These are our peple. You need to clear those ears of yours and stop listening to clan garbage girl. If you lost someone in the war, sorry for your loss get over it and move on. XIIS, You couldn’t hurt a diasabled insect son, so don’t hurt yourself. Anger leads to hatred ,hatred leads to despair and despair gets you lost. I heard that on star wars I think. And XIIS my net warrior your lost. SOMALILAND loves SOMALIA SOMALIA loves SOMALILAND, stop misleading people you couch sitting hatred spitting bumbs.
  7. Madaxweyne ku xigeenka Puntland oo ka qaybgalay xaflada furitaanka Imtaxaanka - Saturday, June 14, 2003 at 12:31 Boosaaso, (Radio Midnimo)- Guud ahaan waxaa manta ka bilowday magaalooyinka waaweyn ee Puntland imtixaankii fasalka ugu danbeeya ee Dugsiga Sare looga gudbi lahaa. Magaalada Boosaaso ayaa imtixaanka dugsiga sare looga gudbayo waxaa u fariisan doona arday gaareysa 73 arday oo wiilal iyo gabdho isugu jira, waana markii ugu horeyay tan iyo markii la waayey dowladii dhexe ee Soomaaliya imtixaan noocan oo kale ah uu ka dhaco magaalada Boosaaso iyo guud ahaanba Puntland. Munaasibad lagu maamuusayey furitaanka imtixaanka oo lagu qabtay dugsiga sare ee Boosaaso ayaa waxaa ka soo qayb galay masuuliyiin ka socday Dowlad Goboleedka Puntland oo ay ka mid ahaayeen Madaxweyne ku xigeenka DGPL Md. Maxamed Cabdi Xaashi. Maxamed Cabdi xaashi ayaa halkaas hadal gaaban ka jeediyey wuxuuna sheegay in aduunyadu ay ku tartanto sidii qof walbaa heerka koowaad u noqon lahaa, waxaana uu ugu bogaadiyey aradayda ka qalan jebinaysa dugsiyada Sare ee Puntland in marka la eego heerka ay mareyso Tacliinta Soomaaliyeed in ay heerka Koowaad ay ka joogaan, wuxuu kaloo intaas uu ku daray in cilmiga iyo tiknoolajiyadeeda adduunka oo heer sare mareysa in ay nasiib darro noqotay in aynu noqono kuwii ugu horeeyey ee manta ka baxa dugsiga sare. Ku xigeenka Madaxweynuhu wuxuu kaloo xusay in aynu laheyn Jaamacado, Iskuulo Sare, machadyo, balse aynu inagu burburinay. Wasiirka Waxbarashada Xasan Maxamud Dhiilood ayaa isaguna ka mid ahaa masuuliyiintii xafladan ka soo qayb galay, wuxuuna sheegay in aradaydaani ay yiniin mudadii Dowlad la’aanta kuwii ugu horeeyey ee imtixaan dugsi sare u fariista, wuxuu kaloo intaas ku daray in uu guul u rajeynayo. Wasiirka oo mustaqbalka ardayda ka hadlay ayaa sheegay in la rajeynayo in dowlad Soomaaliyeed ay dhalan doonto oo ay soo dhowdahay, dowlada dhalan doontana ay baahi weyn u qabto aqoonta iyo waxbarashada ayna Iskoolarship u raadin doonto, Dhinaca Puntland ayuu sheegay in ay jiraan Iskoolarshibyo ay u raadiyeen oo ay heleen, wuxuu kaloo carabka ku dhiftay in qaarkood Booliska loo tababaro oo fursado laga siiyo.
  8. Brother Entrepreneur the reason why Mogadishu has the most warlords is to do with the failed experiment of the late general Aydeed, who with his clique tried to over power the desire of the Somali people. About resources the south has many riches but if it has more natural resources than the northern regions is unknown until there is a full geological study done in the country, until then we are in the realm of assumptions. The great resource a state has is its people and the south’s people have been mistreated and marginalised that today 2003 they are worse of than say 1993. This comes down to the perception in Mogadishu than anything goes, any lie can be taken any story can be sold. That’s why you get numerous governments from Ali Mahdi, Salbalar, TNG and now money laundering Darman. And all these so called jest setting Presidents and governments failed missrubly to serve their people. Compare this to say Somaliland and Puntland where the people have benefited and grown where any lie cant be sold to the people and where war is negotiated out of and not fought through to the end. The point is Mogadishu has failed and now the Somali mandate should move to Puntland as Somaliland dosent care at least it should be better than DR Abdiqasin the only man in the world who got a PHD without ever graduating from a university. But hey brother Preneur that’s another lie that can be told in the old streets of Mogadishu. You have no leg to stand on dear brother. Lander: Puntland has always been for federalism and now the rest of Somalia with the notable exception of Somaliland agrees to try this road of devolution of power from the centre.
  9. Mobb deep, Brother Puntland is staying, you are right people are frustrated with the rest of the south for taking forever to get its act together. However the peace process in Kenya is showing signs that the south is coming into the Puntland thinking, they have agreed to for federal sates and Puntland leaders will play a prominant role in the new Somali government. This is very positive as Arta failed because it did not take into account the power of Puntland and the southern groupings like the RRA, SSNM. Now the show in town is no longer XAMAR, and this was the problem from 1991. XIIS, brother what was? SOMALILAND needs to direct its energy less on rhetoric and more on action, we as Puntlanders will never give an INCH of our land. No compromise with it, so keep the status quo because no one is spared from death. Somaliland needs to concentrate on itself rather than chasing shadows, fact 12 years no recognition, its not our fault boys! Entrepreneur AND “My little knowledge of somalia tells me that the somali breadbasket is the area to the south of Galgaduud to kismayo” . LOL bro how does Puntland survive now? How many are starving in bossaso and Galkacyu? The answer to that you know Puntland has energy and drive and survived centuries before there was a SOMALI breadbasket. Brother preneur you also need to stop the stomach churning talk about “war-lords” cause Mogadishu has the most warlords who need to be curtailed. Brother you are in need of a new argument. Conclusion: Puntland is not going anywhere and nor should it, its like saying XAMAR should declare independence. Somalia does not mean Mogadishu and its local areas. We wait and hope for a new republic in which there is less talk and more action. Were we reward creativity and not ignorance.
  10. Somaliland loves Somalia so much thats why they always telling us that we want them in our union. Somalia loves Somaliland so much thats why we cant let them break away. "Why cant you let me go, oh please dont let me go" " cant let you go cause I love" Its like a crazy love story, so no VS just the same silly poor Somali's. we never agree on history, so lets not condemn the childeren on this nonsence.
  11. Federalism at the end of the conference would be impossible, that’s why they have chosen to set up the federal states within two years of the new government coming to power. The 450 MP is also a stupid move, which would destroy the country; the country doesn’t need 450 MP and 80 ministers such as the case of Abdiqasin’s government. Its up ti the new government to decide through consultation how a federal system should be formed and how many states there should be. The Puntland formula could be followed you have 69 local Garowe MP’s and 12 ministers, in the event of a national government even the 12 ministers would be reduced to about 6, and a president/governor. There would another 3 states excluding Puntland and Mogadishu should be given special status as the Capital of the country. Each state would have a parliament of between 50-70 MP’s chosen from the various districts with its own cabinet and governer who are all locally elected and accountable to the people of the state. Then there would be no need for 450 MP’s in Mogadishu as each state would send a number of individuals to represent them in Mogadishu say 25 each state, then you would have a 100 or less, this would also create a check and balance formula so no state dominates the whole republic, this in an ideal world. Also the argument about criminals, in Somalia anyone with wealth is a criminal, Siyad BARRE loyalist, Warlords, corrupt business men, example you got this Darmaan guy in Xamar who has chosen himself to be president, this man prominence stems from importing fake currency to Somalia, imagine how many people have lost their lively hoods while he has become rich. So people lets turn a new chapter and work how to create institutions so the problems of yesterday and today are not committed tomorrow. We watch and see and put our hopes on our lord Allah SWT
  12. Thanks Xiis and Ausie, Good observations, but Las Qorey and Badhan and Las Ano are under the control of Puntland, so where is the majority of Sool you speak of? I think that Puntland has more direct control and support over the two regions as a direct neglect of the Somaliland authorities who took these regions for granted also most of the peple aligned to Puntland are so because they dont want to break away from Somalia. Any how I am waitng for the rest of the class, Angel Dust, A Sheikh etc. Should be interesting
  13. People I am quite disappointed, The point of the article was to dispel the idiotic notion that only Somaliland was a place of peace and prosperity and what you refer to, as the “SOUTH” is actually far more complex. Ayoub Shiekh rightly pointed out that the article was written four years ago, and I can assure you that Galkacyu and Puntland as a whole is economically much better four years onward. I also believe that Somaliland towns such Burco and Borama can learn a lot from the business experience of Galkacyu and that these cities are lagging behind Galkacyu is common knowledge, except maybe to a “ Somalilander” Poor Angel Dust, she has yet to understand what “ Puntland” even after a simple article was posted on her behalf. Gadiid, brother make it simple, no one will understand, you failed miserably to even engage in the debate. …………………………………………………………………………………… Class good try, hope you do better in this The next lesson is a simple, who controls the majority of Sool and Sanag? A. Somaliland B. Puntland C. None of the above Make sure you give an explanation for your choice
  14. This is the first online class for the education of those with little knowledge about Somalia. .............................................. what follows is a useful article about the Central Puntland town of Galkacyu, written by the Economist magazine uk. It might be a bit outdated, but i would like your essays on this to be submitted as soon as possible if you intend to pass the module. .......................................................... A failed state that is succeeding in parts Aug 26th 1999 | GALKAYO From The Economist print edition Somalia, neglected by the world and without a government for nearly ten years, is doing better than expected IN MARCH 1995, the last United Nations troops packed their kit and fled from Somalia. It was not just the country that was left in ruins. Their departure was also a turning-point in the UN’s post-cold-war role. The organisation’s humiliating failure to pacify Somalia killed the hope, probably always unrealistic, that it could become the world’s police force. The United States, which lost 18 of its soldiers in one bloody night in October 1993, was, from then on, opposed to almost any forcible UN intervention. It has not, since then, sent its troops to keep peace in Africa. Later UN attempts to bring Somalia’s clan-based factions together, and persuade them to share power, have all failed. The quarrelling warlords seemed indifferent to the starvation of thousands of their fellow-Somalis. But without the warlords’ agreement, attempts to rebuild the country physically were a waste of time and money that have cost the UN millions of dollars. Many believed that the Somalis, abandoned by the world, would end either by killing each other, or dying of starvation. They saw Somalia’s collapse as anarchic and incomprehensible. The images of starving children, tanks firing at hospitals, and the body of a dead American soldier— a man who had gone “to save Somalia from itself”—being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, made some wonder if self-destructive chaos like Somalia’s might engulf the poor world. If such things could happen in Somalia, a nation that shared one religion, one ethnicity and one language, they could happen anywhere. Have these fears been realised? Without a government for almost ten years and with little outside assistance, Somalis have not exterminated each other. In various ways, many have been doing quite well, a lot better than might have been expected and better than some Africans whose governments are under the tutelage of western donors, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. The average Somali, self reliant and tough, is probably no worse off than the average Tanzanian or Zambian. Wages for unskilled workers in Hargeisa, the capital of Somaliland, in the north, which now considers itself independent of Somalia, are twice the rate in Nairobi, Kenya’s capital city. This year there is hunger in those Somali regions that have suffered drought for the past three years. No one knows how many people will be affected. The UN guesses about 1m. But, except for some sporadic fighting in the south, the hunger is caused by the weather, not by war or politics. In fact aid agencies and the UN may find it easier to get food to the needy in Somalia than they do in many bureaucratically run countries. Galkayo, a desert town in central Somalia was once fiercely fought over. You might expect it to be a heap of rubble, hungry and anarchic. Far from it. On an evening stroll through its crowded streets, you find teashops and restaurants full, shops open, workshops brimming with bustle and noise. Houses are being built. You see no guns, no shattered buildings and, while people are clearly poor, no one is begging. Moreover, you can actually see. Galkayo has streetlights, the only town in Somalia to have them. This is thanks to an entrepreneur, Abdirazak Osman, born here in 1960, who studied electrical engineering in the United States and set up a telephone contracting company with American partners. He returned to Somalia in 1997. “I feel more comfortable here and businesswise I do just as well if not better,” he explains. He persuaded his American partners to finance telephone companies in collaboration with Somali businessmen, first in Hargeisa, then in Mogadishu, Somalia’s still violent capital (which he visited only once, he says with relief). However, his investment in Mogadishu is well protected by his Somali partners who can call up about 100 fighters. Last year he brought telephones to his home town, Galkayo. As he was laying telephone cables, people asked Mr Osman if they were for electricity. No, he said, but the idea was born, and once Galcom, the telephone company, was running, he raised $400,000 from hisAmerican and Somali partners, bought two generators and started up an electricity company. He advertised by putting up street lights and providing free power to the hospital and other public buildings. Now, he says, he has more customers than he can cope with. Mr Osman’s telephone and electricity companies, a $1m investment so far, also play a political role in Galkayo. They are based in the northern part of the town, which is being brought under the control of the fledgling state of north-east Somalia called Puntland. The southern part of the town, inhabited by a different clan, is still in the hands of a clan militia. Mr Osman has set up a telephone sub-station in that part of town and is offering it electricity too, in the hope that this may prevent further fighting. Mr Osman is typical of the entrepreneurs who have taken full advantage of the lack of government in the country to create nationwide businesses. “The collapse of Somalia has been good for business,” he says. “In many ways it is much better off than before. Then we had state monopolies and bureaucracy and corruption, and all the wealth was in Mogadishu. There has been no telephone system here since the late 1980s.” All Somalia’s towns now have a proliferation of telephone companies which charge about $1 a minute to anywhere outside Somalia; local calls are free. The companies consist of a satellite dish, a foreign carrier, and local offices with booths for callers. They pay a small licence fee and taxes to local administrations, but Mr Osman says he can make a healthy profit. These telephone systems are at the heart of Somalia’s survival and recovery. They have achieved more than millions of dollars of foreign aid could have done. They have enabled traders to make deals across the Gulf of Aden to Arabia, selling Somalia’s livestock. The nomad with a mobile is imminent. And, say Somalis, business does not recognise clans. Lorries, laden with goods and with only token armed protection, move throughout Somalia and eastern Ethiopia. Fruit from the far south is sold in the far north-west, electrical goods landed at Berbera on the Gulf of Aden reach Mogadishu and even get smuggled into Kenya. More important for ordinary Somalis, the telephones enable them to keep contact with exiles and expatriates. The commonest word you hear in the phone booths is lacag or money. The Somali family network is strong and members living abroad provide for those still at home. Somalia’s tight clan bonds have helped to set up worldwide banking networks. Someone in Ontario, for example, can give dollars to his local clan banker, and the equivalent will be collected by his family from the remittance bank in Galkayo within 24 hours. There are no receipts and no disputes. These remittances, hundreds of millions of dollars a year, keep Somalia going. Somalia’s politics are still messy and—in the south—violent, but there is a whiff of peace in the air. After the failed attempts to bring faction leaders together, meetings have been held at local level. The bottom-up approach has worked in several areas, thanks again to Somalia’s exceedingly complex web of clan hierarchies and structures. Clans remain the bedrock of Somali political and social reality, both the cause of Somalia’s break-up and the mechanism which has begun to put it back together again. Through clan-based peace conferences the two northern chunks, Somaliland and Puntland, are reasonably peaceful and secure, though they dispute a large area. Puntland, in north-eastern Somalia, has set up a regional administration but, unlike Somaliland, is not claiming independence. Their local administrations try to institutionalise authority, collect taxes and get some development projects under way. A similar process seems to be beginning in the south. The faction leaders there are losing their power. Ali Mahdi Muhammad, who once claimed the presidency, and ruled northern Mogadishu, has fled, driven out by his own people and unlikely to return. His rival, Hussein Aideed, son of the late Muhammad Aideed who chased the Americans out, is also losing territory and power. The elders of his Habr Gedir clan are turning against war, and businessmen are refusing to pay him “taxes”. The bad news is that Eritrea and Ethiopia are fighting a proxy war in Somalia, paying and arming opposing factions. How should the rest of the world respond? On August 18th, Kofi Annan, the UN’s secretary-general, called for the UN to increase its involvement in Somalia. The country will need food aid this year. It could also do with investment in roads, health clinics and schools. Beyond this, it needs the UN’s help to protect its international rights, such as the right of its people to travel (at present they are literally stateless), and protection for its coasts from illegal fishing. But the UN would be ill-advised to try to reconstitute Somalia as a centralised state. Instead, it should encourage its dismembered parts to form reasonably democratic administrations and secure nationwide agreement on common issues such as a central bank, roads, schools and health programmes. Can these be achieved without a central power? Maybe. But the six or seven entities that make up Somalia now should be left autonomous and the boundaries between them as flexible as possible. In time, with good fortune, they may come together in a loose confederation which would suit Somali social structure.
  15. What is this truth you talk about? Where should ascertain the truth, from your families your clan elders. There is a saying “ don’t take everything you hear to be true” all we are getting is prejudices from Hargaysa spilling into the net. “ we are going places” “ we fought the fascist” the question here is who is we? Is it only Hargaysa that is going places? And were all of you part of the SNM?. I can safely reply NO, to bo th questions, on the contrary Hargaysa is not the only town in SOMALIA doing well. To fighting AFWEYNE forget Angel Dust and Lander even DAHIR RIYALE KAHIN “who” the president of the FREE did not fight the “fascist regime”. NO, this can’t be lord no the president of SOMALILAND was a member of the NSS of Berbera. “what is this Puntlan ?” Well that’s another lesson, but I would like to add that ignorance and arrogance is the way of the weak. Believe what you want but I tell you are in for a shock of seismic proportions. Somalia is not dead, just like Mogadishu alone is not Somalia. There is no us and them, its just all of us and you. We have many clans to many for you to understand, ****** ,DAROOD,DIR,RAHANWEYN , JAREER WEYN, TUNI BARAWANE, REER HAMAR. BAJUNI but hey who am I to be boosting these groups?? I like how AYUB SHEKH is quite, the British lost so many to the SAYID, and they died, but my brother look up a man by the name of OMAR SAMATER, not ALI SAMATAR LOL. He was a warrior who fought the Italians till late 1945 and is a national hero in Ethiopia, bet your mother hasn’t told you that hey