Article 58 International Negotiations #2 Where Negotiations particularly effect regional state interest, the federal government shall if feasible try to include a representative of that regional state in it's delegation to the negotiations. Article 172 Restriction on Amendement No amendment may be proposed within the first seven years after the constitution comes into force, other than any amendments necessary to facilitate the participation of either or both Puntland or Somaliland. Article 4 Sovereignty of the Republic (2) The Somali people are one and indivisible. (3) The sovereignty of the Somali Republic is inviolable. Article 7 Territory. (1) The sovereignty of the Somali Republic extends over all the territory of the Republic, which includes the land, the islands, territorial sea, the subsoil, the air space and the continental shelf. (2) The territory of the Somali Republic is inviolable and divisble. (3) Any change to the territory of the Somali Republic must be approved by a national referendum. Article 7 the Territory of the Republic needs to be clarified. From where it starts and ends.

Not only should a minister who holds such a personal position, not be allowed to lead talks with Somalidiid. But he should not be allowed to continue to be a Minister in the Somali Government. He should be fired and exiled from the country ASAP.

Qandalawi;823437 wrote: It was a good debate. This issue of Somaliland and TFG talks are overrated. I think Somaliland is better off the way they are, and the TFG needs to do a lot of work to fix the rest of Somalia and then, and only then talks must resume. To me these talks are pointless, what is Somaliland going to get from these talks? Nothing. Why is the TFG exhausting efforts and time on a region that has remained peaceful (apart from the war going on in SOOL) for the most part of the last two decade if the agenda to get them back to the union, prioritize and focus, deal with the south and then after that put you effort to re-institute the union. Somaliland is part of the Somali problem. The War in Sool Sanaag iyo Cayn are nothing new and has been an issue for over a decade. Now it's at a point of escalation. It's a clan war that's only going to intensify. The issue has been made clear there is no Somaliland iyo Somalia. The issue of Somaliland and it's claimed borders first and for-most goes against the interests of the clans of Puntland and furthermore goes against the territorial integrity of Somalia.

Maxamed Cismaan Cali Maad a real Somali intellectual. Spoke on the bases of reason, reality, history and a future of unity. Let by gone's be by gone's. The Somaliland Representative said the Puntlanders in the Puntland government who had a hand in the Hargeysa massacre, should be brought to justice. Cismaan Cali Maad agreed and said let's also bring the Somaliland generals and soldiers in the Somaliland government who had a hand in the Mudug massacre in which he lost half of his family members.

Daawo Dood xiiso badan oo dhex martey Aqoonyahano Puntland iyo Somaliland kuna saabsan kulanka TFG iyo Somaliland http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WCu7tZdouDI#!" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> London:- Xalay waxuu Univer Tv sii daayay dood xiiso badan ku saabsan wadahadalka dhexmari doona TFG iyo somaliland, Doodi waxay ku saabsaneyd Labadii xubnood ee wasiirada Puntland ahaa, dooda oo ah mid xiiso badan waxaan idiin haynaa iyadoo Video. dooda hoos ka daaw Aqoonyahanada Reer Puntland oo aan oran karo waxa ay ahaayeen kuwa ku hadlayay amase ku dhawaaqyay xaqa ayaa dadkii daawadey doodan ay qireen iney ahaayeen kuwa u bisil siyaasada Soomaaliya isla markaana lahaa dood jaan go’an oo Soomaalinimo ku dheehan tahay. Dooda Puntland waxaa uuga qeyb-galey. Maxamed Cismaan Cali Maad Cabdirisaaq Xaaji Cumar Cameey Xirsi Muuse Xirsi Boqor Sakariye IsticmaarSend Basbaas. Eng Faataxo Maxamed Barwaani Waxaa bogaadin iyo mahadnaq mudan xubnahan reer Puntland ee difaacey deegaanada iyo dadka ey kasoo jeedaan(hoos ka daawo Dooda)

kingofkings;823392 wrote: sxb. if the clowns in mogadishu fail to implement a functioning federal government, PL needs to declare INDEPENDENCE No if the clowns in Mogadishu failed to implement a functioning Federal Government, we will move the capital to a place where a Federal Government will be implemented and seated. Somalia will not be allowed to die with Mogadishu, and the international community agrees.

It looks like the International community fully finally understands the internal works of clan politics in Somalia. The residents of Mogadishu no longer have the option of holding an entire nation hostage. If the road-map and Constitution isn't fulfilled in Mogadishu by the time frame prescribed for it's fulfillment, Plan B will go into full effect, and the Somali capital city will either be moved to Hargeysa or Garowe. Another Somali government will not be allowed to collapse in the political turmoil of Mogadishu.

Xog hoose:- Qorshe loo xilsaarey rag aqoonyahano ah hadii uu socon waayo roadmap-ku, “Waxay keeneen jawaabtii” Posted by Pi on April 26th, 2012 Warar hoose oo aan helney ayaa qeexaya iney jireen Rag aqoonyaho ah oo qaarkood Xamar joogaan kuwasoo loo direy iney keenaan qorshe(Plan B) lagu badbaadsho Soomaaliya hadii Roadmap-ku socon waayo, Aqoonyahanada ayaa hada jawaabtii keeney. Kooxdaan oo ka kooban Aqoonyahano Soomaali ah iyo khubaro ajnabi ah oo caawinaya waxaana la sameeyey intuusan bilaaban shirkii Garowe, qorshaha ragaan loo direyna waxaa ugu waynaa in ay soo baaraan sida ay macquulka u tahay in Caasimada Soomaaliya laga wareejiyo Muqdisho, waa hadii lagu guul dareysto qorshayaasha nabada ee la bilaabay(Roadmap). Waxaa jirey walwal laga qabay in Koonfurta laga socodsiin waayo Qorshaha nabadeynta ee Soomaaliya, waxaana fikirkaan ugu waynaa oo soo jeediyey khabiiro Qaramada Midoobey ka tirsan oo ku xeel dheer arimaha Soomaaliya , kuwasoo hoosta ka xariiqey iney ka walwal sanyihiin in Qorshaha Roadmap-ku uu ka socon waayo Qabqablayaasha dagaal ee Koonfurta Soomaaliya oo ay sheegeen iney wali awood buuxda ku leeyihiin Koonfurta Soomaaliya. Aqoonyahanda Arintaan loo xilsaarey ee Soomaalida ah ayaa shaqadooda si hoose u bilaabay wax yar ka dib markuu dhacay shirkii ugu horeeyey ee Roadmapka oo Muqdisho lagu qabtey bishii septembar 2011, waxayna xili aan la sheegin ay soo gudbiyeen warbixin buuxda oo ku saabsan qorshahii loo direy. Sida aan xogta ku helney waxay Gudigaan isla meel dhigeen in hadii uu socon waayo Roadmap-ku ay lama huraan tahay in Caasimada Soomaaliya loo wareejiyo meel kale si kumeel gaar ah. Warar ka aan helney ma sheegayaan biya dhaca Qorshahaan iyo meesha loo wareejinayo Caasimada lakiin waxay hoosta ka xariiqeen gudigaan in Caasimada laga wareejiyo Muqdisho loona wareejiyo meel kale, qorshahaan wuxuu taageeero buuxda ka heystaa Qaramada Midoobey iyo Dowlada Ingiriiska. Dowlada Ingiriisku waxba kama ogeyn markii hore baaritaankaan lakiin shirkii London waxyar ka hor ayaa loo gudbiyey si buuxda ayayna u taageereen, waliba waxay balan qaadeen dhaqaala fara badan oo lagu hirgalinayo qorshanaan. Talyaaniga ayaa iyagu arinta ku saabsan wareejinta Caasimada ka biya diidanaa lakiin wuxuu balan qaadey inuu taageerayo hadii Roadmapku socon waayo. Hanaanka geedi socodka(Roadmap-ka) ayaa ka kooban in kumeelgaarnimada laga baxo bisha Ogosto 2012, in Baarlamanka layareeyo, in Dustuurka cusubna la hirgaliyo iyo Xukuumada hada jirta aysan dhaafi karin bisha ogosto doorashana la qabto isla bishaas. qorshahaan oo isku duuban waxaa u horeeya hirgalinta Dustuurka oo sal dhig u ah Roadmap-ka, hadii la hir galin waayana Roadmap ma jirayo, waxaa sidaas hoosta ka xariiqay gudigaan Aqoonyahanada ah. Markii ay Xogtaan soo gaartey warbaahinta Puntlandi.com waxaan bilownay baaritaano ku saabsan meelaha la hadal hayo in caasimada loo wareejiyo, waraysiyo hoose oo aan la yeelanay dublamaasiyiin waxay noo xaqiijiyeen inay lama huraan tahay in Caasimada laga wareejiyo Muqdisho hadii khalkhal la galiyo Geedi socodka, Caasimadana waxaa la isla meel dhigey waa fikirka dublamaasiyiinta aan la xiriirney u batay in caasimadu noqon doonto ´magaalo ku taal Puntland ama Somaliland. Mar aan wax ka waydiiney Dublamaasiyiinta mar hadii caasimada la wareejiyo maxaa laga yeelayaa koonfurta, waxay isku raaceen sidan… Soomaaliya uma xayirnaaneyso koonfurta lakiin waxaa lama huraan ah in xal loo raadiyo deganaanshaha koonfurta xalkaasina wuxuu imaan kara markii caasimad la helo. Puntlandi.com info@puntlandi.com http://puntlandi.com/?p=31831

Relentless;823183 wrote: ALXAMDULLAH we got everything we need. with or without recognition . How impressive, but if that's really your believe why do you and your family live in London rather than Hargeysa? Why do your people risk death in the Indian Ocean to get to Yemen, Europe so they don't witness and live through another day in the harsh reality in the Triangle. You yourself perhaps did that voyage and look at you now talking like this. There are only 100 Doctors in Northwest Somalia for some 3million people. 95% Unemployment rate. 80% of your population live under $1 a day. There are few schools and University and those are only for those who can afford it. You have no sewage system you collect your shit in holes. You have no clean water. Your police chew on the job, your military are clan militia who are only good at fighting each other like in 94. Your even pathetic for an unrecognized clan nation.

Relentless;823180 wrote: with people like samsung. dr osman and kingy....i would pay for some research to be done on the water supply in bari ??? I have a better idea, Why don't you go pay for the Recognition of SNM :confused:

Carafaat;823175 wrote: Abdiwali is gone and history in 3 months Somalia and Somaliland will work things out irrelevent of what Sme sub-clans think. Cidna looma joojiniyo. PM Abdiwali Gaas isn't going anywhere unless Faroole becomes President of Somalia. In both cases

Relentless;823174 wrote: your a failed state anyways what would talks actually produce sending our army down south..never gonna happen..hahahah....these pirates are funny. post your source im curious or is this more of the legendery HOT AIR of Bari and its pirates. hahah i bet it is. We have a policy of no talks with rebels. Put down your weapons and beg for mercy.

Prime Minister Abdiwali Mohamed Gaas this week rejected holding talks with SNM rebels, saying they must first drop demands for independence. :cool:

Galmudug should be forced to move their Capital to Hobyo! These cats who came to Xamar in 91 are already claiming the place. Reer Galkayo have done their share of being nice and welcoming a defeated clan. The Treaty A/Y signed is void with the death of the great leader. It's time they accept to be ruled or moved.

Dam the Somalidiids are desperate, the whole village came out to dance for a single white boy! Somalis and their shameless jealously, the only Oil in Somalia is in Puntland live with it or die!

The Sovereignty and Territorial integrity of Somalia will not be undermined by anyone specially by a laangaab clan in the Northwest.

Wiil Cusub;822646 wrote: As long as you are using Northwest Somalia instead of Somaliland, your research will never be rational, and un-rational data collection will never give any scientific conclusion just time wasting. In the rational world we deal with facts and reality. I don't recognize the unrecognized.

Okay We should not lie about history, nor should we be married to it, we should rather learn from our past mistakes and improve our society as a whole

Carafaat;822297 wrote: Puntland State exist for 70-80procent in the media. lol

:cool: Puntland Clan Elders Head to Mogadishu for Conference 23 of the highest-ranking traditional elders in Somalia’s Puntland federal state have set out to Mogadishu for an upcoming conference geared towards Somalia’s traditional leaders and their role in the ongoing reconciliation efforts. The conference in Mogadishu, set to open in the coming days, is going to be the biggest of its kind since the civil war broke out. The elders expressed to our sources in Garowe that they aim to be an integral part of the anticipated transition. We will have further news as the conference convenes within the week. Hirsi Fiqi, Editor DissidentNation.com

If love is blind, I assume hate is deaf, & blind.

Burahadeer I am headed to Northwest Somalia and other parts of the motherland for three months starting in June on a data collection research. As for your comment, let's put the cuqdad aside and start the healing process. As I have stated the victims of that tragedy need real information, not speculation or constrained propaganda information intended to build up hate rather than heal. Why else would the local administration there, show half truth, half lie documentary of what happened in 88 aired on somaliland TV every week, for the last decade or so. Isn't that a little sick to re-play a single one sided documentary non-stop for 54 weeks a year? Truth-telling an important element in healing or transcending the experience of crime is an opportunity to tell the story of what happened. It is often important for victims to be able to retell this many times. There are good therapeutic reasons for this. Part of the trauma of crime is the way it upsets our views of ourselves and our world, our life-stories. Transcendence of these experiences means re-storying our lives by telling the stories in significant settings, often where they can receive public acknowledgment. Often, too it is important for victims to tell their stories to the ones who caused the harm and to have them understand the impact of their actions.

By Mohamed Nus A rough draft, on a piece that will be broaden, deepened, and perfected. Healing a nation, though the principles of Restorative Justice by looking beyond the blur created to complicate the root problems of Somalia, that still stand to be fully addressed, understood, and taken head on. "We should not lie about history, nor should we be married to it, we should rather learn from our past mistakes and improve our society as a whole" The above quote speaks to all of us and specially to Somalis in Northwest Somalia. The criminal violations of the Somali governments bombardment of our second capital city has caused irreversible pain, anger, and frustration. The crime of 88 is a violation of people and interpersonal relationships. The wounds are fresh like it happened yesterday, and the memory is ever present with the statue flying high in downtown Hargeysa. 20 years of isolation was a cry for help. Attempting to seek statehood to heal is a falsehood driven by an elite who themselves made the shame of 88 possible by putting innocent Somali civilians in Hargeysa at the center of a major war. To heal from this tragic event,the victims are of special concern to restorative justice. Victims often feel ignored and neglected, and their needs are not met. For the wounds to start to heal, four things must be made available to the victims. First information, as victims need answers to questions they have about the offense - why it happened and what has happened since. They need real information, not speculation or constrained information that comes from SNM. Securing real information usually requires direct or in direct access to offenders who hold this information. Second Truth-telling an important element in healing or transcending the experience of crime is an opportunity to tell the story of what happened. It is often important for victims to be able to retell this many times. There are good therapeutic reasons for this. Part of the trauma of crime is the way it upsets our views of ourselves and our world, our life-stories. Transcendence of these experiences means re-storying our lives by telling the stories in significant settings, often where they can receive public acknowledgment. Often, too it is important for victims to tell their stories to the ones who caused the harm and to have them understand the impact of their actions. Third empowerment victims often feel like control has been taken away from them by the offenses they've experience-control over their properties their bodies, their emotions, their dreams. Involvement, understanding of their blight is an important way to return a sense of empowerment to them. Fourth restitution or vindication by the Somali government will be important to these victims. Sometimes because of the actual losses but just as important, because of the symbolic recognition restitution implies. When any entity, whether, individual, cooperation or government makes an effort to make right the harm, even if only partially, it is a way of saying "We are taking responsibility, and you are not to blame. Beyond restitution victims have a even more basic need, the need for vindication. I am convinced that it is a basic need that we all have when we are treated unjustly. Restitution is one of a number of ways of meeting this need to even the score, Apology may also contribute to this need to have one's harm recognized. "No xaq no peace" = Don't make dua or pray in looted properties expecting the return of real peace. What's needed throughout Somalia and specially in our capital city of Mogadishu is restorative justice. Peace is not justice nor is it xaq but a time to start the healing process of an entire nation. It is a time to take steps forward beyond 2012 not an opportunity to utter "Xamar ana leh" the failed mentality of the 90s that is responsible for the status quo. It is a time to reflect on a miserable resent history, and understand the obligations to put right the wrongs.

Mukulaalow;821609 wrote: :confused: Puntland thrive on attention and that is what you get. if you don't like the media spotlight, then PL should keep quite and keep low profile. The custodians of Somali honor, decency, dignity and integrity can not and will not keep a low profile. You fight for a clan we are fighting for a nation.

The Combined Media Sources Of the Somalidiid, Qarandiid, Nawatdiid, iyo Dawladiid Have Declared An All Out Media War On Puntland State Of Somalia Like Never Before. To See This Evidence Look No Further Than BBC-Somali, VOA Iyo Universal T.V. And The Other Countless Media Outlets Propagating And Voicing The Somalidiid, Qarandiid, Nawatdiid, iyo Dawladiid. The Only Entity That Has Kept Hope Alive, And Pushed For A Somali Solution And Statehood. One Wonders Why? Well Just Look At The Success Puntland Has Reached On Behave Of Somalia, Against These Groups That Have Kept Our whole Nation Hostage For Far Too Long. Puntland Stance: Unity Is A Must! Federalism is our Solution, A New Fair & Balanced Federal Somali Constitution, End To Transitional Goverments, Somalia Must Have A Permante Federal Government This Year. The Garowe Principles Sealed These Key Points For Somalia, And The International Community Response To This Vision & Leadership Was Unprecedented, Decarling Sancations Against Any Person, Political Group, Clan Or State That Dare Come Against the Garowe Principles. The Greatest Political Victory For Somalia In Modern Era. Like Professor Togane The Somali Visionary, Historian & Expert From Banadir Outlined Long Ago... Foxes have holes birds have nests Somalis have Puntland For Puntland is where old men dream dreams where young men see visions of the unity of the Somali Spirit For the city of Bossasso now is the beacon of light That is why I call Puntland the only custodian of Somali honor of Somali decency of Somali dignity of Somali integrity That is why I call the Puntland the only custodian of our Somali collective conscience the only custodian of our collective Somali destiny