War gabadhan Nugul has all the hallmarks of a budding female Abtigiis. Cabasho iyo calaacal badana.

After 20 years what we have is a clan claiming to be an independent state, with no international recognition forthcoming. The measure of statehood is not flags and cyber claims. Somaliland is a peace of region, but so is Puntland, so is Galmudug. The issue of defeating Woyanne is tied to the matter of reviving a strong Somalia state. The task is also made difficult by the betrayal of SNMites who play dirty skirt to Ethiopia. Ending the daydreams of clanists and installing a genuine Somalinimo-believers on their grave is central to the success of the Somaligalbeed cause.

It is an ancestoral affliction I think. It might be a good idea if we can infiltrate one closet Somaliweyn believer into them to mug them, at least once, for a good cause. Is it not enough proof that the whole thing is a clan dream that all the secessionist in this forum, from the sophesticated Ayoub to the rustic Xaaji Xundjuf, are from the same clan? Don't they feel shame? Or has the sense of embarassment and shame evaporated the day the grandparents shouldered the fat white man?

It would be ironic if supporters of Somaliland's secession decided that it was acceptable to coerce, rather than cajole, dissidents within Somaliland into accepting their project. But sensible supporters of secession are clever enough not to use the familiar jingoistic and tribalistic language of the Balkans. The project of secession, if it is to be successful, must have common appeal for people of all provinces in Somaliland. It's a tall order, but not an impossible one. With this powerful conclusion, the fatuos reasoning of the SNMites must be confined to where it belongs to, which is the fetid cesspit! Thanks Promethues. But I think you also realise with a bit of cajoling from the unionist camp, Awdal and Salal will join Sool and Sanag. With a bit more of reasoing, moustache-oiling and appeal to Somalinimo, a sizeable number of politicians from the SNM clan will join the cause, if not initially, once they discover the tiny traingle is not enough to accomodate the political ambition of too many power and priviledge seekers. If Somaliland becomes independent country (comprised of the Berbera-Burco-Hargeisa triangle), we will not wait for two Gu' rains before one after another piolitician declares his tuulo to be part of Somalia with the predictable line "maanta laga bilaabo waxaan beesha caalamka ogaysiinaynaa inaanu ka baxnay SL, oo aanu ku biirnay Somalia". Prometheus isright, borders are imagined demarcations, but even more ephemeral when it is imagined in the minds of opportunit politicians who migrate to any land that gives them better feed.

As far as I am concerned, Duke is an english word which is taken from another language to symoblise power and status; it it by no means an expression of reverence to British monarchy. Ayoub is disingenious when he says General Duke is "claiming be to be the Queen's Duke". GD didn't say that to my knowledge; what we know is that Ayoub's ancestors called themselves the 'Orphans' of the uncircumcised Empire.

loooooooooooo@inta kore u weyn! The guy waa rageedii, wuu sii cabirtay line la isku dheererinaayo. I hope he has the stoutness to deal with the menacing chest!

Maanigaa la ii qarinayaa waa Faarax iiman la'. Imman la' is a realy a different issue. Looking for new pasture when the old is overgrazed is a natural instinct of living organisms. That is not iimaan li'i; it is called cosobsi.

Juxa runta aad ugama fogid. If we can't tame women on the real life, we have to do in on the cyber one. Naftii ba nahaysa. But the qalanjo qoordheer is always helpful, no xuux. The real issue is about the progeny, not so much about the man's comfort. At least, if you, yourself are not good-looking, one has to go for top one so that you get avergae children. SItaaqfurula. I hope you will understand I am not serious.

I have to be honest with you sisters, and I don't speak for men. If I am faced with the same challenge whereby my brother is clinching a wife that looks like Eva Mendes oo anigana uu ag joojiyo ta qaadaa heesta " laftu galaa jacayl laftuu galaa" on Somaliland TV, there is little chance I will crane my neck for the impending shot. Waan ka gaban flash'ka sidii wax qalin ka dhacay soo qaadanaya. :D

War ileen tan oo kale? War islaanta hooyaday ah baan isku dhownahay iyo SNM baan ka soo jeedaa isma galayaane, bal wax is qabadsii. :D Waan garanayey kala guursigaa badan inuu dad meelo badan isaga kaaya keeni, on a positive note. Anyway, I have never supported an "Og" vision or agenda. As a matter of fact, I am allergic to the idea of a separate "Og" homeland. I am a believer in the Somaliweyn concept, whose believers are nowadays the butt of clanists jokes and redicule. But, at least do you agree there can be new realities and parameters as early as 2011 or 2012 with regard to Somaliland issue? If Somalia gets a working government, Somaliland will have to sit and discuss its status with the authorities in Mogadishu, for it will not be possible to visit even Dubai for any of their leaders otherwise. Can you see how tenous the pillars on which this dalliance with independence is built on?

Better wedding doesn't always correspond to better husband. :D But anyway, i see your point although I think you are generalising based on your limited experiences and feelings. Anyway, would you be posing for family pictures with a younger sister with a husban looking like Fernado Torres, when yours is the clone of Carols Tevez? Runta sheeg! Mise waad ka war wareegi sawirka?

wax fahan, abti. Somali politics is much more complex and difficult to understand then the Ethiopian you are used to, where you have had the same position(against Xabashi) the past centuries. in Somalia coalitions change, ideologies change(todays socialist, is tomorrow's clanist), even goverments and kingdoms change(yesterday's clan kingdom is today's minority). Some even change from clan( from clan X becoming clanY). Very diffrent from Ethiopia. If this is not going to win the best baloney of the year award as we close 2010, I don't know whatelse will. Which of Somalia's politics is complicated to grasp? The fleeting clan alliances issue? Who doesn't know that? By the way, you are raping history when you say SSC elders come up with the idea of 'independence' in 1991; and going by the same clan history of Somalia, SSC elders would never have preferred to be part of a set-up where they will be a miserable minority, when they have mighty cousins to the South. So, I don't have to refute a false history which is part of the new history of Somaliland. A history curved and contrived for maximum effect to fit into the secession end. And by the way, we are talking about Hargeisa, young boy. I am not a resident of Dabre-Marcos in Amhara region, I know the insides and outsides of Somaliland saaxiib, slept in the wilderness of Haji Salah and Mohamed Ahmed villages, and eat the succulent fish of berbera. Markaa qof kale u libaxee! Or do you want me to narrate the intracies of the 'Binu-hashim' clan geneology and how the whole issue of secession come up?

No, I am not saying it is fair, I am saying it happens. Midda kale, the conventional wisdom is that younger ones are better-looking while bigger ones are wiser. I am talking about the age factor, because it is easier to explain it by saying as one grows older, maturity comes. I mean u dhalasho, or as a matter of disposition. Anigu waxaan u soo joogay gabadh walaasheed ku tidhi 'naa kan maxaad ku fali', oo markii danbena ninkii guursatay. Sisters are protective of one another, but also devilishly jeolous of each other. Gabdh walba walaasheed inay ka nin fiicnaato ayey rabtaa.

:D looooooooool@qayr-malaha.

There is no need to be philosophical about a matter that is patently clear. If SNM wants to establish a seprate homeland for its clan, they can have it. That is where my support for Somaligalbeed doesn't contradict with the Somaliland issue. I hope you see a consistency in here. However, the divorce must be done through mutually agreed process and not by a unilateral declarations whose legitimacy stem from the barrel of the gun. And unless you belong to league of the head-in-the-sand politicians like Faysal Ali Waraabe, you will not deny that SSC people are unionists; Awdalites are so, and significant number from the clan usually associated with SNM will vote for union if there is a free and fair atmosphere where all options are presented to them. It is not giving an option and alternative to call elders to a conference hall and ask them to choose between "freeedom" which is associated with gooni-isu-taag and "union" which is associated with aerial bombardment of Hargeisa". I hope you realise I am looking at this matter from purely moral point of view. If we to the arena of legality, it gets murkier.

I think a more difficult but likely scenario is if the older one loves you, and you love the younger one, oo markaa ta weyn xagga xaafada kaa xanibto. It happens, believe me.

Ta weyn i soo tusa aan assess gareeyee, yaan odhan lahaa anigu. :D Haday Ok iyo 1/2 tahay, waa meherin lahaa, after that, wixii na dhax mara tii yarad Allah ha ka sawaabiyo, we would have her in our prayers. But the whole thing is this things really don't happen nowadays, even in rural areas. Speaking of this issue, all the time I married which is between 3-4 years, I married the younger one when the big one was free and available. The thing is did you notice for some inexplicable reasons, of two sisters, it is usually the younger who is more appealing? I heard "i love ta yar', but 'ta weyn baa isha igu haysa' from boys, but not the vice versa too often. Chimera, I usually don't like to disagree with you, but you are wrong there. You can date a girl for 6 years, and her family might not know about it. But I have my doubts as to the authenticity of the whole story. It really doesn't happen these days. Waa laga ilbaxay wax oo dhan. I once dated a girl who said we have to wait until her sister is engaged, and I waited for sometime, everytime the girl was promising after two months ayaa loo soo fadhiisanayaa, but the guys changed their mind somehow; so in the end, I tabled an ultimatum.

Indeed, I am happy to exhaust this line of argument. You are no more a rebel, but others have rebelled against your clan. Is this part of the new reality, new parameters for consideration then? What hasn't changed also is how the world perceives Somalia and the issue of international legitimacy. It is a front where you still remain a rebel. The world knows you as the "self-declared" so and so, and you will remain "self-declared" - a product of self-delusion, until such time the Somalia you think is dead comes from its convulsion and claims what belongs to her. SNM avarice is not a sufficient condition for dismembering a soverign country. If Somaligalbeed people are given a platform to determine who they want to be, there is little doubt there will only be one outcome. If the same is granted to Somaliland, there is little doubt, only extremist SNM elements will vote for secession.

Why are khat people concerned with Somalia? If you are independent country then do as the Djiboutians or Eritreans do and don't pay attention to Somali politics. They are a dependent independent country, Dear Timur. Their independence is dependent on anarchy and bloodlettting in the South.

Xaaji, the difference is not so much in our vision or our tactics but in our starting points. I am a Somali, cut from his motherland in 1954; he is a Tigre, who engaged in power struggle with Amharas from 3000 years ago. They want to seceed if they can't rule Ethiopia; we don't want to rule Ethiopia even if we can rule it. I hope you can figure out the fundamental difference there. More importantly, we are ethnically, culturally and religiously distinctive from the semitic rulers of Ethiopia. But the real matter is that Somalilanders willingly joined the rest of Somalia, without coercion, while we were occupied by Menelik. It follows that if the whole of Somalilanders joined Somalia on their own volition, it is only fair they wait until Somalia is back for the divorce. And when the divorce finally comes, SNM'ites will only leave the marriage with their biological progeny not with the adopted ones and cousins who fear to go with the abusive widower. It is also fair that among the progeny of SNM, those who are sane enough to object flial rebellion and want to stay in a more spacious home, are given the opportunity to choose. Anything short of that amounts to blatant kidnapping of own children by a psychopathic mother, in which case a more caring step-mother should take care of the vulnerable children.

Bashiir is not a child, and he has made powerful points. It proves your cowardice to run away from valid arguments by making use of inappropraite red-herring. But let me oblige you on this one as a matter of necessity. You said I am Ethiopian. I am, and there is little dispute that I am. I am a rebellious Ethiopian, a reluctant citizen of the black empire I despise. You are a rebellious citizen of Somalia, a bitter one too. I don't object to your resentments, your penchant for going alone. It is what I live through. I object to your delusion that you are a citizen of a State other than Somalia, a phantom creation of your mind. I object to the attempt to deny other clans in the British Somaliland what you sought and fought for your clan. I object to the false flags and presidential guard of honours.

I sincerely believe Mr. Somalia should be exempted from SOL rules when it comes to insults. We all know that the boy cannot live without insults, and therefore, we should allow him to make use of his comparative advantage. And speaking of the doggy Xinnfanin, since it is clear he is not coming out of his hideout, we may have reached the time when we should pronounce him dead and buried. It is clear that LST has decided to kill his most famous script next to Cara, for its cover has been blown and it serves no further use.

But if you don't like the Oromo one, Tadelle will rock you with this one for sure: "As if of all creatures, my body is ordered to belong to you only, It is refusing to learn anyone else's, ruining my chance of living with anyone else, Forbiding me from loving, and from being loved ever again!"

The nasty Amhara's joke that the cure for HIV/AIDS is to wake up at 3:00 a.m on a dark african night, brave the cold, take off your clothes and jump into Lake Bishoftu chanting loudly any Oromo word that comes to you mind. This is to say the language is good for nothing; sometimes they concede it can be used to notify public toilet users in queue when the toilet is occupied and when it is ready for use. But this is Tadelle Roba, with a remake of Ali Birra's "Dire Dawa", a song so attached to my hearts, my heritage and my school years that I re-live moments of real joy and uncorrupted youthood when I hear it. Ladies and Gentlemen, say "Trumbule" after Tadelle. :D

Bilan, I suggest you don't continue this argument further. There is no benefit. After all, it is Xaaji Xundjuf, for heaven sake. JB's political vision is informed by the length of the horizon he can see. That doesn't go much beyond Sheikh to the South and Zeila to the North. You don't discuss with people of this narrow perspectives in a matter that needs deeper and wider understanding.