I prefer the term "polyamorous"

I will take that as a yes.

I'm sure it worked

Wadani;945850 wrote: He looks baajuuni or one of those people from the swahili coast. It's not relevant, that's y I end my above post with 'just saying'. I guess he could be, but I hear the accent of someone who speaks Somali as a first language, not a Bantu language. And I've definitely seen ethnic Somalis who look like him.

He's one of my many academic crushes

lol what do you think he is? And why is it relevant?

Wiil Cusub;945838 wrote: American claim culture The jingoism is over the top, and I cringed a little bit when he said he was fighting terrorists in Iraq. But he was attacked for being a Muslim, and his patriotism and army service is good publicity and should help his case.

What makes you think that? He said he immigrated from Somalia 15 years ago in other interviews.

AfricaOwn;945833 wrote: ^^^Its a controversial claim, you have many other economists that disagree with his study ( http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113314261192407815-HLjarwtM95Erz45QPP0pDWul8rc_20061127.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top%29 ) and Mr Levitt is going to rebuttal, and they will as well...At the end of the day, you're only supporting the economist that supports your theory. That's not how evidence and data works, it's not simply "supporting the economist that supports your theory." It's controversial because abortion is a sensitive matter politically, not because his data is lacking. It's also a theory you learned about some 20 minutes ago, so I suggest you go do some reading and catching up before trying to dismiss 20 years of a leading economist's research on crime in US cities so you can keep arguing policing practices like stop and frisk are effective, when all evidence shows that they are not.

He 2004.pdf"]proved it.

Apophis;945823 wrote: Is SOL so bereft of girls that everyone is chasing Safferz? The poor creature must feel like a deer during the hunting season War where are the other eligible dumars:D:D I've wondered about this, maybe those of you who have a longer history on SOL can tell me... is it a predominantly male forum? Where are all the women?

Fine we are friends again oba, waan ku saamaxay Wadani is still in the doghouse though.

oba hiloowlow;945821 wrote: safferz we're friends laakin sow maaha. No we're not oba, what the hell was this? oba hiloowlow;945801 wrote: Go Chimeera Go!!!!!

Wadani;945811 wrote: U sheeg abti. We ain't friends either Wadani lol

lool great scene and great show I was just saying if you had read the thread, you would know that I never said anything remotely close to "Somalis were enslaved" (as a group, and in the numbers characteristic of large scale slaving) and neither did I argue for the "Habashizing" of Somalis. If anything, the "Habashizing" of Somali history is precisely what I am resisting because it's something I've repeatedly encountered (like the claim that "Ethiopians" had a maritime trade). Anyway I checked out of this thread a long time ago, hence all the gifs and BS.

Apophis;945810 wrote: This whole debate could have been settled if our resident "historian" had been clear about her semantics. Is it logical to assume some Somalis fell into the hands of slave traders, yes it is possible (hardly something worthy of analysis as the numbers were too few to "matter"; a pedantic exercise really) but were Somalis enslaved as was the case with West Africans, i.e was there systematic slave trade of Somalis selling other Somalis, the answer is a simple nein. There's no evidence to support this. And this attempt of "Habashising" Somalis, to prove your baseless assertion, like the Dodo, won't fly because, as Chimera finds, Somalis were clearly distinct ethnic group from the Habashi highlanders. Semantics dear, semantics. You get an F. Yours, An IR grad Yet another example of not reading the thread before contributing to the discussion:

Steven Levitt at the University of Chicago is a good start:

^^ Alpha I told you we were dead in PMs just yesterday, and by insulting Wadani you have insulted my maternal beeble as well dee. Clearly we have little in common if you thought I'd enjoy Evita. oba hiloowlow;945801 wrote: Go Chimeera Go!!!!! The full length novel should be out soon.

Get out of here with that song Alpha, I was thinking more this as the soundtrack to my post:

Blackflash;945762 wrote: Who said anything about being descendants of slaves? I'm pretty sure the all of this thread's participants are one or two generations removed from Somalia making that case unlikely. Why are some of you confusing the likelihood of the slave trade having some adverse effect on Somalis, with mass enslavement? Because SOLers enter threads like this and start typing:

Wadani;945788 wrote: Finally Safferz suffers a defeat. Lool it was a long time coming but its come. My hat goes off to Chimera. If you paid more attention, you'd know I often withdraw from debates when they go to sh*t (for a recent example, see the thread on Somali origins). That's not defeat, that's guarding my time and knowing that SOL "historians" operate with different conventions and standards of historicity, factuality and reason that would be laughed out of the academy.

GaroweGal;945764 wrote: Safferz-- The assertion that Somalis were enslaved as people is fallacy and far from any available emperical evidence. I don't know who or what you're responding to, because I never made that assertion. Chimera;945763 wrote: This is amusing, for your information there was a time somewhere in 2007, when I created and cleaned up all the Somali wikipedia articles from the vomit of Pan-Ethiopianists, and white-supremacists. I spend much time in Europe's biggest library i.e the British Library going through hundreds of books, and every single claim I made in my post can be backed with a source. It's really mind-boggling to encounter self-underestimation amongst Somalis, even intelligent ones, when there is so much materialistic evidence to corroborate "the so-called fantastic". It has become tradition among the interlopers commenting on my posts to create an impression that I'm out of this world because of their own personal myopia or ignorance. I didn't expect such lazy debating skills from you. If there is something you believe is false, then point it out more clearly and you'll get a proper source. Chimera;945763 wrote: Wow, while I keep providing sources, all you have is an exhibit in Iran, whose curators might not even know the difference between Swahili or Somali, but I should take them as an authority on the history of the region, when there are far more reliable sources and institutions available? Great, so you do research and update Wikipedia articles. I'm amused by the arrogance with which you assume you are the only one here who has done archival work and extensive reading on East African history, and you should keep in mind that this is an anonymous internet forum and you know nothing about who posts here or what they do for a living. If you haven't noticed already, I'm purposely not engaging with your posts - over nationalist to the point of historical erasures, conflated historical periodization, outright falsehoods and yes, fantastic accounts - because I neither have the time nor the energy for it. Simply saying things to come off as knowing and making your speculation definitive is not history, though I'm sure it is great material for a historical fantasy novel.

^^ THAT is a song