------------------------------------------------- Nayrus: If president Yeey and PM Geed are afraid for their personal safety, they have to go to Nairobi or to Addis while the Khartoum talks are under way; but the Ethiopian troops have to leave immediately and get out of Somalia. ------------------------------------------------- Who is gonna make Ethiopian troups leave Somalia?You? They were invited by the gov of Somalia, a gov recognized by the UN. They don't take orders from Nayrus. ------------------------------------------------- No more foreigner mediators. No more the deceiving Kenyans in the middle of debating Somalis. ------------------------------------------------- You claimed Arabnimo, so they brought you Arabs to mediate you. What do you want now. Everyone, incluning Arabs, know that you are not Arab. So keep the Kenyans out of this. The least you can do is thank them for welcoming the people you are displacing with your guns. ------------------------------------------------- The oil and army embargo on President Yeey and Geed and their foreigner masters must be tightened ------------------------------------------------- People who talk about oil embargo, must first of all have oil. Do you have oil? No, you don't. Case closed. As for the old man, he will procure oil through Bosasso, Berbera, Djibouti. ------------------------------------------------- their doomed strategy for bring tigrean soldiers to Somalia. ------------------------------------------------- The Tigre army will soon be in Somalia, not because C/Y invited them, but because the Klan Courts invited them with 17 declaration of Jihad since June 1st. Soon you will find out what the Tigre is made of. So you need to stop blaming the old man for this. On a more technical note, the president, as the highest official on the land, can invite whomever he wants, he doesn't need the authorization from any clan.

------------------------------------------------- "The Islamic Courts are al Qaeda. Ethiopia should go in and get rid of them -- now!" exclaims Osman Nur "Not true!" responds another man, shaking his fist "I support the Islamic Courts, so do others. They have brought peace," he adds ------------------------------------------------- Time for the clan courts to put down their arms, so that this kind of peaceful disagreement can take place in Mukdisho !

------------------------------------------------- Miskin: Claimants [i've my doubts of them being anybody but Soomaali] of Oromo, Eritareeyan iyo Xabash Soomaalidii martida loo ahaa, intee guriga iskaga saari lahayeen buuqooda ayee la kala safteen, oo u sacabtumaayo. ------------------------------------------------- With all due respect Mr Miskiin, no ethnic name calling please. It is the rule of the forum. You never asked Wiil-Shaydanka if he hails from reer Iblis, so why do you wanna behave like the RCMP with us. You have a small clan who wants to set the whole of East Africa on fire under the guise of religion, all you can say is marti this, marti that. You have a somali KKK man named Xassan Turki, who is confiscating the citizenship of hundreds of thousand of unarmed clans, and all you can talk is marti, marti that. What is this marti thing anyways? I don't know what it is but it sure sounds like some kind of ciber-fool?

Originally posted by WIIL_SHAYDAANKA: MMA lol i'm not so sure they really are from the backgrounds they claim to hail from lool @cajiib and saxiib Since when the word cajiib and saxiib are somali words. So much for your somalinimo.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Claimants [i've my doubts of them being anybody but Soomaali] of Oromo, Eritareeyan iyo Xabash oo minan ee marti ku yihiin dadkii deganaa korkooda ku dagaalamaayo, dadkii guriga lahaana u horseedaayo dagaal la rabo. Shameness of them all, Soomaalidii martida loo ahaa, intee guriga iskaga saari lahayeen buuqooda ayee la kala safteen, oo u sacabtumaayo. This is even getting funnier, walaahi. Yaab iyo nuskeeda. Soomaaliyeey saan maa noo dambeysay?

Ereselam, Look saxiib, stop your bufiis. We can get involved in Somalia and there is precious little you can do about it. If you could, then how come we are sitting 25 km inside Eritrea over a stretch of 1000 km --- (25000 square km)for the last 8 years and you didn't do anything about it. Caajib ! So please, stop fronting and talk peace !

Erselam, You are making this inter-Somali hatred way more than it really is and I guess that is why you are quick to call for a regional war that involves Eritrea, Ethiopia, ect. This people want a low scale confrontation, similar to the one in Bur Hakaba, that involves the death of few people here and there. Nothing close to what you want. You need to understand that these people are going through the growing pain of transitioning from clanhood to nationhood. They need to sit down and iron out their differences without outside interference. Lastly, you said that I am " soon gonna pee on my pants". My response to you is " I rather pee on my pants" than encourage people to kill each other. later

Ereselam, I see you are agitating Somalis to engage in war and bloodshed. You guys have plenty of soldiers, tanks, fighter jets, yet you are here begging Somali kids to die for you. Shame on you. :mad: Sorry to disappoint you but we will not fight the Clan Courts. What for? Yes we will not fight this small clan. After all, this is a small expansionist clan based in Mukdishu who happen specializes in land grabbing and we have no business getting involved.

Originally posted by Nayruus: ^^^ Soon you will understand Somalis in Amxaaro occupied territory will invite the fidaa’iyiin of the courts to drive you out of Somali lands. So don't speed up your depature. Fair enough ! But right now, I hear elders from Gedo are in Addis to extend an invitation to Meles. So stick around.

I don't understand this business of the Courts being invited by the locals. What if some locals invite Ethiopia ? Can they ? If not then, can we say that this invitation thing an internal procedure ? Xaabashi

QUOTE]No body is abusing ur pple,pple are abusing ur government.U got no government but an organized rebel militia. Gee ! when did Muse Sudi and Qanyare took power in Addis? The Somalians who live in ethiopia surely help u alot but u dont know that do u?Don't they pay rent?Don't they do business with ur pple and don't ur pple benefit from their presence? Don't go into this kind of argument without proper analytical tools. Try to include the concept of excess capacity in there and you will see the falacy of your argument. So I stop here. Tell me xabash what do u give those pple but trouble?Yes u heard me,what do u give them but trouble? You don't know what trouble. Trouble is when some crazy gun men in Mukdisho spray your house with machine gun fire while your children are still in it. Trouble is when you run 1000 km to Addis. There is nothing good about ethiopians either and one thing that really moved me was when two young boys fought and the whole neighbour beat the shyt out of the somalian family. Thats what kind of pple u are. Indecency is when you occupy a house after chasing the owners at gun point (that is what the Moorian did in Mukdisho) Decency is when you welcome war-displaced people into your city, and let their children attend school and allow them to have peace (that is what people in Addis do) With no regards to decency or even with the recognition that with even ur worst enemy,u deal fairly with them so as to get a honourable challenge but what do u guys know of honour?Yes u heard me what do u know of honour? The whole world saw your honour and your raganimo. We have it on tape. Were it not for the soviets,the cubans,the east germans and even the yemenites,do u think we would have had this conversation?No we wouldn't have this conversation. Second division teams always like to play premiere league teams. The pple of addis have their own pple in the mentioned cities on tahliil's post,do u think they will be spared if ours are harmed in addis or don't u regard those ethiopians in our lands as ethiopians? You touch our people and our soldiers will be in Muqdisho tomorrow 6 AM. The oromos are fighting with ur corrupt regime and so as the ONLF.Yes u heard me,i bet they are shooting at ur soldiers as i type.Ur very own defenders are deserting the posts that ur pple entrusted to them for they say that u are a pple who only understand things with force.YEs u heard me,its true.U say that we are not in the same league as u guys ,is it true? You can't swallow that pile, can you? Get Biliqsan to give you some water. We are the very decendants of the men who forced ur pple to feed on raw meet.The same men who crushed u under the sayid's leadership ,the same ones that totalized ur forces under General mohamud and the same ones that later finalized ur forces in 1977. Sir, there are many things you also forgot to tell us. You forgot to say: we are the people who chased the bantu off his land, we are the people who humiliated and dehumanized the Ybiir, the Gacansibir, the Muse Deryo in their own country even though these people are Muslims . You forgot to say: we are the people massacred the Bon and the Shanbara and took their children into slavery, and married their wives. Quushaash Waaxiid! Get it clear,and our very own decendants will level ur government if we do not do it ourselves so are u still in doubt that we are not in the same league? Go and tell that to people of your ilk. May you should go horsing around with the Shona and the Ndebele or something. I adore ur nationalism and the only word i could give is that lest u wish to be subjected to harm,change ur philosophy of revenge as a pple ,give back the illegal lands u have,respect the boundaries of ur neighbours and refrain from oppressing ur very own ethiopian brethrens like the oromos.Do that urself if ur state doesn't do it,and maybe u might be safe from our destruction. I will stop oppressing people when you do the same. So are u still in doubt that we always have been enemies? You repeat things like a parrot. You have to finish at the top of the second division standings before you being promoted into my league. I definitely don't consider you as an enemy at this point. Xaabashi Xaabashi

Waryaa ********, Save your sarchasm to when you go to Bosaso and lash out at Massakintaa. Originally posted by Tahliil: All I have said my dear Oromo, amhara, tigrean, Sidamo, Shankella, Gurage, Somali, Nubian, Bantu, Harari, Flasha, Adari, Somali brother was a simple prayer for your home and for the rest of my brethren who have sought shelter in those areas...that your government never falls and if that happens a better one in its place. Let me also say, if you can't simply figure this one out yet on your own, Somalia is not in a position to aid you if the worst (similar to what’s occurring around you) befalls on your nation. See that’s all and it wasn’t so bad to be totally negative about it, was it? Just drop, the Buufis, the defensive, inferior mood you are taking onto every bit of a posted reply in here. People are wishing you happy and long life…see... You are reading way beyond the lines." Those were not coded words...they were not meant to cage your people, to fence them off from our territory simply because they are coming from over there with an empty pockets and hungry bellies, but the truth is that it’s good for your own citizens to stay away from Somalia at this time…They are better off in their homes than being in a situation where they can’t be protected. If anything I was siding with you. I have also been asking that same question myself; what sort of exploration, what kind of free market, what economic miracle sprung from Somalia that caused all those weary-eyed masses of Ethiopians, from as far as Gondor and Gojam, to migrate to North east/west Somalia. There has to be a reason for that. And my guess is as good as anyone......(count me out) ______________ Afxumeynta jooji, duqa. Name-calling and other personal attacks is against the nature of this site. Dankis [ August 12, 2006, 22:11: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

Originally posted by Xoogsade: [QB] Xabasahi, Tahliil's fears are valid. Many somalis who went back home came back with the same fears. Unusual numbers of immigrants from ethiopia. If there was strong central government, this would be nothing to worry about, but with the current situation, this poses a threat. Ignoring the xenophobia somalis have, numbers do matter, we are only about ten million scattered throughout the country. These immigrants come to work and make money while some seek a way out of Africa and stay there as transit. There are opportunities for them in Somalia. They are also safe there. Xoogsade, So what economic miracle took place in Somalia that the Amxaar went flying there? Did they discover oil in Somalia that I don't know of ? Did Toyota set up plant in Somalia? Are we talking about the same Somalia? What is the unemployment rate in Somalia? Wariyaa, here is the truth. Somalis don't even have work for themselves, let alone for others. People live off remittances from America, Europe and Arab countries. The natives spend their days cheewing Khat. Sometimes, some crazy Amxaaro go there to help them chew the stuff. So, nobody is going to Somalia for work and if they did go, the gov should return them home. Btw, Somali is not a clan, it is a nation. Ay ! Ay ! What a revelation ! What I said about us being smart has no clan logic to it. Only crazy people will try to convince you on this And I am surprised you made a remark about how somalis should be first equal to you for them to consider you an enemy. That is how we feel in regards to you guys. Hmm! You must have forgotten how your emperor wrote to Portugal and to Europe in general begging to be saved from Somalis. Let us not talk about the cubans, the yeminis and the angolans saving you in the 70s war. This kind of fabricated history will soon bring you the Tigre army to Mokdishu. Very soon. Xoogsade, by the way, what does saxiib, beenta inaga jooji means. Xaabashi

Originally posted by Xoogsade: Xaabashi You are too smart and brazen to be amxaar/Xabashi, traits/qualities somalis are known for. Wariyaa Xoogsade, I see infinite numbers of clan logic in your sentence. The first one being a particular ethnic group can/can't be smart. Smartness is not communal, it is personal. Amxaar can be smart or dummy. The same for the Somali. Of Course, this flies in the face of clan logic and uncle Xoosh is never gonna accpet this. You must be a somali but do tell us, Ma hooyadaa baa amxaaro ah mise naagtaada? I am Xaabashi. By the way, what is Xaabaryartaa means in Somali. PS: Pretend someone has translated for you and come back with the answers. Tahliil Your concern is valid. We are threatened by the sheer number of our neighbour. If the ethiopian government falls, we have some serious issues coming our way. May the ethiopians get government other than this corrupted tigre junta, a government that gives to all ethnicities their due rights. Xoogsade, this Tahliil guy has no valid idea. Let him build his imaginary fence. Xaabashi

Originally posted by Wiilo: Xaabashi sxiib Somalia is distroyed by somalis, but who help them? Who helped the warlords that distroyed somalia? Ethiopia has everything do with what happened to Somalia. So, please bro this is their turn, and it is gonna happen no matter what. Go figure:........ Willo, I have a different take than you on this one, sister Somali people are too smart to be manipulated by Amxaree or Tigree. What happened was that Somali people started drinking a very very very strong alcohol called Qabyaalad. One day, Qabiyaalad met Qoorii, and you know the rest. Xaabashi

Originally posted by Tahliil: Strong words Indeed. But try not fall into the trap bro...The collapse of Ethiopia will only bring millions more of hungry Ethiopian refugees into Somalia. Have you lately seen the cities of Hargeysa and Bosaso and Berbera? The sheer number of starving Ethiopian refugees from as far as Gondor is humungous? Sections and sections of those cities are now called the Amhara quarters.I think if a plague, more violent than what they got now, visits their cities and towns, we will have our hands full with a lot of displaced Amaharas... No one is like Somalis, with family ties and connections, we survive through tough times but these poor people will die in our alleys and streets and we will not be able to come to their aide. I think we should pray for now an immediate and a new regime in those urine-stained, beer-polluted, Aids-infested, hunger-tainted, poverty-stricken, stinking-potholes of those infected Addis streets so that at least they can stay in their countries. When I was there last year, for a minute, I thought maybe we need to build a fence a long the border to keep the unwanted, the surplus labor of the Ethiopians out. That said I wish them no harm though... [/QB] Tahliil, What would the people of Mombassa, Kakuma, Kenya say if they read what you wrote. Even today, the UNHCR reported that 100 Somali refugees entered Kenya. How is it you are allowed to abuse our people in such a way while your people are welcomed as a guest from DireDhabe to Dar-es-Salam and all the way to Cape Town. In return, you want to put your guests in a fenced lot. I hope the young people in Addis don't read this because tens of thousands of former Mokdishans who escaped war live in Addis alone. Freely and in peace. There won't be no fence there. Rest Assured. Xaabashi

Originally posted by Lieutenant Xalane: [QB] Now what makes me sick is when certain individuals transform a legitimate arguement and make it kinda personal and thus make some personal attacks,that my friends is a shame. Wariya Leftenant, take a pile, this is not Mukdisho. Xaabashi,Maybe u do understand,maybe u dont but get the facts straight from me son,Ethiopia as of the state or as the individual citizen,As for the state ,its our sworn enemy and has been our sworn enemy as long as history could tell. HA HA HA HA HA ! You are killing me. Hey Shorty ! What sworn ennemy are you talking about. Listen we never gave you that much weight to begin with. We look at you as neighbors not as ennemy. Speaking of ennemy, I highly recommend you read the concept of the ennemy and Somali tribal psychology by a Somaliland writer Abdishukur? By the way, it is the Western media that started putting the sworn ennemy in the last eight weeks, and Somalis ran. For us you are our neighbors, our brothers, albeit a little overactive. Therefore do not get confused,ethiopia is an enemy and i for one only live to take it down on its knees. Please, stop it. Go find your equals somewhere else. May be you should go taunt the Kikuyu or something . Did ethiopia participate on somalia's downfall? No, Ethiopia saved lives. Look a country is something sacred. But Somalis decided to play with it as if it was a basketball, volleyball, while the whole world watched in shock. For the sake of argument let us just say that Somalis are oppressed in Ethiopia. But I don't think they are more oppressed than the way Somalis oppress and suppress the MIDGAN, the TUMAL, The GABOYE, the JAREER, and the rest of them. Does ethiopia oppress and suppress somalians? For the sake of argument let us just say that Somalis are oppressed in Ethiopia. But I don't think they are more oppressed than the way Somalis oppress and suppress the MIDGAN, the TUMAL, The GABOYE, the JAREER, and the rest of them. Yes.Does ethiopia committ war crimes against the poor stateless somalians? Hogwash ! do you have a proof. Somalis in Ethioia are one of the most powerful groups. So what else do u want to prove the enemity between us and the ethiopians? We are not in the same league for you to be our ennemy. By no means we shall have a war one day and maybe it might not be that far but mark my words,History does repeat itself over and over again and as always,the ethiopian soldier will lose every battle and resort to the phobia that they always had of us. Wariya, stop your tribal emotions. Is Somalia in a position to fight a war with Ethiopia? The answer is NO. So there you have it there won't be no war.

Somalis destroyed Somalia, but Ethiopia gave helping hand by housing Somali rebels and supporting the warlords dat massacred our people . YO-YO That is not true. In fact, many somalis are eternally thankful to Ethiopia. Take for instance the case of the unarmed Rahanwein who were being massacred in 1993 by the Aiidid forces. The Rahanwein leaders ran to Addis and beg for help. Since then, there were no Massacre of Rahanwein. Destruction of Ethiopia is no body's interests, but I think It will eventually go the way of the Former Yoguslavia. There is such so much oppression one could tolerate. [/QB] May be you are right and Ethiopia might go the way of Yugoslavia but Somalia looks more ripe for that. Look at S/Land. If anything, we want you try it first.

Originally posted by Wiilo: Soomaali waxay tiraahdaa "God siray ha qodin haddii aad qodana ha dheerayn ku dhicidoontidaa ma ogide" Ethiopia inta ay maleegaysay distruction ka Soomaaliya, godkoodi ayaa biyo ugu soo galayn, it their turn to collapse. Can't wait to see that day, insha allah it is gonna happen. Go figure:... Oh! Waw ! Waw! New truth has just been unearthed, courtesy of Wilo. We now know that, contrary to popular perception, it was Ethiopia who destroyed Somalia, not the warlords. And for good measure, she mentioned the name of Allah to go with May Allah protect us from liars and violent thugs! Amin ! [/ Xaabashi

Originally posted by HornAfrique: I have always believed that the collapse of the Habash empirical state was only a matter of time. Is the process being speeded up? Please,please, one thing at at a time. First, finish what you have started. Finish the collapse of Somalia then we will talk about collapse of Ethiopia. After collapsing everything, we will sit on the rubbles waiting for the benevolent white man to bring powder milk and corn powder for the crying babies. The end is near..?

Ya, ya, ya ! First you burn your country down to ashes. Then, you start eying your neighbors country to burn. What kind of animal are you? You even pray to Allah that the carnage is visited upon Ethiopia. How pathetic ! May God snatch the guns and the swords from you hands because you used them unjustly on women and children. I pray that some Arab guy give you employment as a doorman in Jeddah or Dubai.

What ? If only you concentrate on the natural UDGOON that comes out of both of them, you would talk about who is prettier. Trust me I know. As for the men, let us just say Somali men win by a hairline and that is because they wear that colorful shirt with flowers on them. Xaabashi

Why don't you give your "traditional ennemy", the xaabashis, a chance. Isn't 16 years enough to fix a problem. You tried on your own and failed. Now give Meles a chance. Xaabashi