^^Ngonge; You can mock me, but sooner or later I always get what I want, Some times I just have to stick my hand in the fire for a very long time to get it I already said Dawkins is an opportunist, so there is no point bothering with him really, let alone frothing at the mouth... He is like that guy, what is his name again from America who claimed black people are genetically dumb, everyone ignored him for a while, he had a book out, now he is largely forgotten. These people come and go. :rolleyes: Lool @ JB and north. p.s. I find it disturbing that there is a question mark following Islamphobia watch? Exactly what will everyone agree with you in this regard??

^^^JB I know you don't agree with that old man???

^^^I'm a passionate person in general, but never malice...

^^^Loool do you really want another one of your endless chats with JB. JB lool, since when were MY views of Dawkins political.

^^^YES, you are "too fast" for you own good. Caagah duulka kuu xeeji inshallah.

^^^I was and still I'm cool. I just think sometimes waad iska haadasha, as +Faheem told you ages ago "isid qaasabad Jaaban". Now stop hijacking my thread! I gave you your answer, I don't know you.

Well for all you know, I also could be married, and not feel the need to publicise it. In fact I’ve never said I was not married or married. Therefore it was an inappropriate comment to make, as unlike YOU, I'm only allowed ONE.

^^I already answered the question! the answer was No I don't know you! Thank the Lord for that, you one track minded freak. Adigu you are one of those people, if you see a man and women having a convo, even in public about general things, you just think MAN &Women and run back home to ashkatee the girl! Nin waalan. Life is so much more than that! But that is why I avoid talking to you, I don't want you to think waan ku hasawe, just because I commented on one of your topics! Sayid; The local shike helped us, He made a little speech about it after Jumca and on the lessons on weekends. In the Somali community often you just need to convince few key people and then keep reminding them. They are not as stubborn as the Asian community, but Somalis are suspicious, often I get “so how much you getting paid” Or are you planning to go into politics yourself or the classic joke which I heard too often “maa shaaqaadan Tony baad raabta! Lol. Somali people are by far the easiest Muslim group to get on your side, only problem is we don’t have any money, work too many jobs and don’t control any institutions such as research centres and mosques, nor do we hold high profile public jobs. Asian people on the other hand, are either too cultural, will fight you with everything they have, super resistant to change; Or they are loyal to labour, and regardless of what, they will always vote same way, you could not get them to change, particularly the Pakistanis! :eek: They threw eggs at us for campaign against Jack straws Blackburn seat about four years ago, outside a mosque! :eek:

Lool @ you know we are Somali, really? No way! Haha lol, in addition to the Xaram excuses. The one excuses I hate is; “what can we do sister? They are Kufar they all hate us!” We really need to get over this misconception that ALL journalists and politicians hate us. There are some who are well-informed and balanced, while others simply lack knowledge about Islam, but a powerful few do push their own prejudices and agendas. Then they tell you “I feel sorry for you, you have bought into their bullshiid democracy, they just want to waste your time and you are playing into their hands” So they end up feeling sorry for you and you stand their red face because you want to scream open your eyes! :mad: Errg sometimes you are simply speaking different languages. P.s. My Xaafad kicks a*ss at voting now, they are well trained! We went door to door and told them where to put the "X" they even voted at the mayor election. I am proud of them for now.

^^^Politics section is only for Somali politics, everything else is ok. So why did you want to bury this thread in the Somali politics section?? Dawkins is just an opportunist, he is just trying to push his theory at the expense of an easy target. The BNB just have not read his attack on evangelist. They’ll be in for a shock.

^^^I don't like FOSIS, the ISOC and co. They have become “feel good” organisations, finding a husbad/wife.com and what colour hijab should sisters wear, how long should a miswak etc. When they do something it is the classic burning flags, riots, and protest, then go home thinking they have achieved something because they angrily shouted outside number 10, thinking yeah we showed them! WHAT did you show?? Other than prove their point that we are a bunch of angry people? They fail to understand the value of lobbying and politics which dictates what happens to us, all they know is how to start a fire- a common method of protesting and showing your angry but which does not make any change. Very resistant to democratic ways of implementing change which take time. I understand they are passionate, but angry should not distract you and make you play into the hands of those who want to see you make a spectacle of yourself. There are a number of ways that Muslims can help defend themselves in the media or in politics. But before we can do anything we need to know who and what we are fighting. Otherwise you are spitting against the wind. As for the like minded Muslims, I agree that are many annoyed young Muslims, however each one thinks that it is them against the world judging by what they write in their websites & blogs. Again they fail to understand that are TEAMS working against us full time posting to news sites, blogs and other websites - all to 'create an illusion of opinion'. We cannot win as individuals and we need to pool our efforts together. Carry on sparking Sayid, mind the rain though.

^^^Why the politics section, has nothing to do with clan or gun fight! BtW JB, Is he the same guy who wrote the blind watch makers? I have to check my book shelf when I get home. I’m yet to finish one of his books.

HHAHAHA NGonge, don't leave the house! In fact the week off from work and hide. We want you to be safe!

^^What question?? Are you seeing things again?

^^So are you going to post the story Ngonge iyo SOL?? If you get banned just come back as tolka, we'll know it is you. Marx will make a return soon as Marcus iyo Tolkis

A&T that is because we don't know each other. :confused: There is nothing to deny. Originally posted by Sayid*Somal: quote: moving them from public positions is much easier than trying to take on the media/ tabloids and all these centres with their bogus research. Agree, it is easier and do able today, (scrabs on stick it note and puts it in the IN tray of to do things) the Muslims do not have the resources to fund and carry out such research. It is time consuming, requires lots of work, effort and time and institution, we are not very dedicated as Muslims, and under resourced.. I don’t think the damage that the media and bogus research has done to Islam and Muslims in general is reversible Disagree Ibti- You seem to have very good ideas and also you see to be dedicated realist but you are also let down by your pessimism . Have bit more optimism sister. Nothing is Impossible I agree nothing is impossible, yes that is true, in fact everything seems impossible at first or at least till you try. However I'm not a pessimist, I just know because I've been working in the Muslim community for the last five years with little improvement. So apathy baa igu sosocad just for this week. Nevertheless, these changes whether it is getting rid of people in public offices or funding research or challenging the media require long term and sustained efforts and we are probably not going to see the fruits of these actions for 30yrs or so. Islamphobias are rooted deeply within the institutions here in the UK, addressing all of them requires strong institutions and dedicated Muslim community. Sadly the Muslim community are two busy chasing paper and sometimes unknowingly contribute and do the work for Islamphobias. Just trying to convince one Muslim is draining enough, just check out my battles in SOL with the likes of NGonge. You cannot convince people the need to do something, if they think there is no threat. Passive Muslims help maintain the status quo and you will just run yourself to the ground trying to fight them (the Muslims you are trying to help), the islamphobias, the Zionist and media. I’m tried just thinking of it.

^^^ :mad: Leave me alone Ngonge! Busybody is allowed to have her own views. We don't all have to be liberals

^^^Good, don't (just to annoy JB, payback for Burco comment!)

First of all your story is religiously corrupt and trivialise major sins, however since it is a fictional story I've overlooked that. What bothers me about the guy, is even yaad daanta, he is ignorant, weak, stupi*d and so many other things, but innocent is not something I would associate with him. I can't decide if he is mentally challenged or just very very stupi*d, I guess he could be someone shaawaadkodey laa caarar. Even religious aside he is timid, and a weak character, the girl, aside from her obvious line of work has a much more likeable personality and strong character. I guess she would have to, to stomach her work. Anyway the story has got me stuck between two reactions 1) Aakha Tuu, What the hell, iyo 2) what madness

Sayiid: No I don't, but he has a tendency to jump before he checks and double checks. I think he thought he was replying to the brother Warsam thread or something. Got confused in his old age . Or he'll come back and say someone was using my account. A&T I think you owe the brother an apology nooh, clearly you got the wrong guy. Be a MAN about your mistakes.

^^^Well I've not seen the dude for almost a month now, so I know I'm not in there! he said somthing happened last night. I was at uni till 10.30pm and then home. I did not see anyone.

JB; Why would I :rolleyes: Does it sound/ look like I fit into this silly story! :mad:

^^Wait I think you jumped too soon! Why does Sayid need to be banned?? Sayid, erm WHEN did he insult religion or demeaned it, and why do you think he is on payroll of the churches. And why are you calling him an unbeliever :eek: What is wrong with you??? :eek: Explain baal waaxad aragtey. Me and him was discussing how improve the Islamic image. I don't know what you are reading and where :confused: P.s. If he insulted Islam, trust I would be the first to cast the first stone.

Devout Muslims are importing creationist theories into science and are not being challenged because of political correctness, one of the country's most famous scientists said tonight. Professor Richard Dawkins argued that as a result teachers were promoting the 'mythology' of creationism over the science of evolution. Professor Dawkins, a geneticist and author of the best-selling book The God Delusion, said: "Islam is importing creationism into this country. Most devout Muslims are creationists – so when you go to schools, there are a large number of children of Islamic parents who trot out what they have been taught. Teachers are bending over backwards to respect home prejudices that children have been brought up with. The Government could do more but it doesn't want to because it is fanatical about multiculturalism and the need to respect the different traditions from which these children come." He added: "It seems as though teachers are terribly frightened of being thought racist. It's almost impossible to say anything against Islam in this country because if you do you are accused of being racist or Islamophobic." Daily Mail, 4 August 2008 On the other hand, there are those of us who would argue that paranoid delusions about the impact on educational policy of a minority faith community who comprise less than 3% of the population of the UK are quite accurately categorisable as Islamophobia. See also the Daily Telegraph, which reports: "Prof Dawkins said the failure in classrooms meant religious fanatics had a chance to get hold. 'Because we are all brought up to respect faith, it leaves open a gap through which fanatics can charge', he said." Update: Predictably, Dawkins' views are approvingly reproduced by the British National Party. Of course, the BNP's own position is that they're defending "Christian civilisation" against Islam. But they're prepared to overlook minor differences like that when it comes to whipping up hatred against Muslims. Source: Islamophobia Watch

It was aimed at your inferior mentality dig.