^^It could only be someone in East Africa at that time. Afternoon all. North did my edo come back with you? Cara, great idea!

Benson, you did not watch the program. And I don't care if you watch anything I post or not, it is your loss. The program was not boring at all, it just followed the same old lines about who or what Muslims are, a perception that is on us to change. But you are busy crying and moaning about something you did not even watch. Lool @ you really wasted my time, I can see you are doing something so great and valuable with your time. Don’t let me waste any more of your important time, run along dear.

Aliamos: The thing with the saints and visiting tombs is NOT about paying respect, it is worship, People sacrifices animals for the dead, they ask the dead shike/ saint to bless them give them kids etc. That is worship, at its simplest form, they believe that these saints have more of a direct link with Allah or Allah is more likely to accept dua from them- bit like the role the priest plays. As for what these sects are doing, I was implying in this contexts I.e. worshipping Allah via something else. As for honor killing, actually interesting that honor killing in the west at least is more common in societies that engage with other old pre-Islamic customs; Turkey/ Kurdish, Asian, Afghanis, Iranians and the Shia in Lebanon/ Iraqi, compared to the more rigid/ religious societies such as Africans (including north Africans) and the other Arab countries. In any case in this day and age we are seeing the return of everything Islam outlawed in Muslim communities. I remember having a discussion with an Egyptian guy who said in the Quran it says don’t touch or stay away from alcohol, so I get my maid to set it up and drink it through a long tube/straw.

Originally posted by Benson and Hedges: ^^ in future, maybe you should be sure of what you post up. u didnt even like the programme u wanted us to watch. that shuddy if you ask me. Err I asked people to watch it so they can make up their own minds and then either complain or send a thank you. That is normally how it works dear. they don't run programmes by me first for my approval you know. :rolleyes:

Wow. The programe started off really well for the fist 5mins, then the rest was the usual guys in cimamad jumping up and down saying "I kill you" Okay not directly but the whole Britan is going to be a Shirah country, no more pubs, chop off hands, stone people, take down nude pictures etc. The worst thing was the guy was dead serious, he laid out a complete picture of what Muslim Britan will be! I could imagine BNP members using that footage in the campaign for the election. I did not like three Mohammeds, the other 6 were okay, a mixture of ones trying to change their names and struggle with identity and two guys who converted and then picked the name Mohammed after 9/11!

^^They have become too old with bother with the youngsters. Lool Threads in SOL change directions so fast. Sherban: Raamsade thinkings that the poor Israel is being bullied and needs to defend at all cost. Don't waste your time.

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed: My friend, I would ask u, ibti, and tuujiye to take a chill pill, all these outbursts from u three lately really makes you seem like people who are weak in their faith. If you are not ready for your faith to be questioned, don't engage in discussions about faith. I think you must have added my name just because you needed a third name. I don't do outbursts, nor do I have a problem what people question, I just hope you question with honest and do some basic research. I think I get what Raamasade is asking though, there is a sect of Islam who only believe in Allah, they don't believe in prophets, nor do they believe that you have to do any religious obligations or actions like fasting or praying or reading the Quran or anything else, they drink, sex before marriage. What they do believe is that your heart has to be good, you must love Allah in your heart and know he is the only creator, so they are kind like an extreme version of the Alibis’ in Turkey/ Pakistan and Eastern Europe. The answer lies in why we were created, had we been created for believe in Allah alone, it might make sense, but since we have been creator to worship the believe requires actions to back it up. Raamsade please look up the difference between Believe and Worship! For example, we believe in Allah, the prophet, Angels, all the books sent before Islam and the prophets that came with it, the unseen, but we only worship Allah. Aliamos: Interesting you say that, and yes it makes sense, but you are forgetting ISlam was sent down to get rid of all these practices, and rather than being an Arab culture, it went against everything they believed and worshiped (they had something close 90 idols when Islam arrived). If some sects engage in things that Islam came to outlaw, is it me labeling them, or has Islam labeled them?

:confused: we don't worship mohammed but you must believe in him, your worship is to allah alone.

^^WhaT? :confused: Read my post again. 1) Believe in Allah AND anything else = You will never ever go to heaven 2) Believe in Allah ALONE = you can hope to get into heaven (depending on what else you do) 3) Believe in nothing or something other than Allah, and your end is the same as 1)

^^^Okay, no personal attacks if you make sense and stop trying to mix water with oil. I will even learn to write perfect Somali the day you start to make sense and make logical credible arguments. Taliban, Al Shabaab, Hamas, Al Qaied, Salafis, neo Salafis, Wahabis are very different, so different in fact that some have very little in common, yet you seem to group them as one strand. You also think that wiping them all out is good for the world, yet you think that they are bloodthristy! Help me out here will you!

When I was in India, I had a such hard time telling the difference between who was a Muslim and who was not, I found out later in my trip that I had spent all/most of my time in the none-muslim areas. The Muslims I did meet was Shia and all had a heavy Hindu Influence. Raamsade, to answer your question, no Shirk is the one sin Allah does not forgive if you die in it. So you cannot go to heaven if you associate anyone with Allah, hence the first part of the Shahaad

^You sound like an idoi*t because waxa baad isk qaasi, if you don't know what you are hating on, then you are random hating. Go and pick up a book will ya and spare us the drama.

^^^You mean Muslims right, ruuta iska sheeg.

An airline pilot whose career was damaged by 9/11, a businessman wanted by his home country, a former member of Islam4UK, recently banned by the British government for its extreme views, and a female blogger with the name Mohamed. These are just some of the personal stories behind one of Britain's most popular names. Nine different characters all called Muhammad challenge the stereotypes of being a British Muslim. As the name Muhammad rises both in popularity and notoriety, an ex atheist, a white convert and a former skinhead ask what is really in a name. You can watch it live now http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00r8jd3

Wait; You cry, don't call us names, then in the same thread you agree that 1) Burco people steal kids 2) Burco people accept Pedos in their society Yeah makes perfect sense to me, I really don't know why anyone will pick on you. :rolleyes:

^^Castro, atheer miyaad walatey? :confused: A little sensitivity and consideration Abu Salman, may allah easy your pain and grant him jannah. I would not dwell too much on what happened afterward to his body, as we can never know what any of it really means in any case.

I came across a speech by Dr. Cornel West in which he says; Black people never responded to White supremacist terrorism (slavery and Jim Crow discrimination) by forming a Black Al-Qaeda. They responded with Martin Luther King, Fannie Lou Hamer and Malcolm X. The world can learn from the Black Freedom struggle which is the struggle of the weak over the strong." I like Dr. Cornel, but recently he has started to branch out into Muslims and Islam and Political Islam, and I can't help but notice huge gaps in his views. I saw this interview on Al Jazeera in which he was on a very thin line between being insulting / rude. In this speech what particularly bothers me about this quote is the blank generalisation of Muslims, comparing Islam/ religion with a race course and ignoring the background for each conflict/ issue. Not to mention that the black agenda is America was grounded on at least the same principles/ struggle. What is a Muslim response? guerrilla warfare such as the Mad Mullah, the Chechnya resistance, the stone throwing kids in Palestine? Are those not too interlinked with nationality and survival rather than Muslim response. There was no Black Al-Qaeda response due to lack of resources, space and money to grow. Not to mention the advancement of technology (both in weapon& communication- allowing message to spread much faster/ further with training and available material) Most importantly Al-Qaeda was a western engineered, funded and encouraged and most of all trained. So how can it be judged as a Muslim response, when in fact it was a western tool to attack and weaken the soviet? Now neither ideology/ concept nor its finance needs western support, it is a self sustain ideology funded in Muslim countries. A comparison that would make sense would be if Americans trained segments of the black resistance, fostered a mentality of resistance against say the Europeans, defeated the Europeans or made peace with them and then forgot to follow up where the trained soldiers went. The trained soldiers with their new ideology go back to Africa; predictable and human behaviour would suggest that those trained individuals would manipulate their acquired knowledge to their perceived benefit and few rich individuals in Africa funded them. The ideology caught on like fire with the young black youth in America, at much fast/ large scale etc, then he can make the comparison. In any case, I would much rather the Muslims emulated the Zionist ideology if we want space, power and a little respect. What do you think peeps?

How does "targeting Iraqi security forces and Shia civilians, but also "foreign journalists, translators and transport drivers and the economic and physical infrastructure of Iraq." fit into Salafi as an ideology? What of their principles on not fighting rulers, even if they are corrupt in order to avoid disorder and loss of life; is that not why all these Middle East ruling elites survive. Aliamos I think this thread is calling you.

^^No I am licensed to say what I think of your flawed logic, it is a forum not a school or a police station. Take it as a sisterly advice with a pinch of salt or ignore it. I'm really not bothered either way. At best it should make you reflective of your own position, at worst just words on screen.

^^^Are you giving your president away? I don't care for him so I can say that, but you are shooting yourself in the foot. What you should pick up on is that of the five trucks, one is owned by Reer LA. Imagine reer Puntiland are holding hostage one truck from LA because they got beef with Riyaal.

Originally posted by Adam.: Sisters that become second/third/etc wives, or allow their husbands to have several more spouses are such ignorant WEAKLINGS. If i ever hear something like that coming out of the mouth of the person i love, i would drop her on the spot, like a brick. These polygamous brothers who have difficulty maintaining what they already are responsible for, should stop deluding themselves thinking their a 15th century Mamluk Sultan. What he said;

^^No idea but I am sure they have a naughty step for spoilers. Serenity that is always the worry, hence why I said next year, by then I'm hoping for some feed back.

Loool@ quruumo kalaad la hadleysaa!! Dhubad just the first post is showing.

People always like to make out that the pirates and puntland is different and have nothing to do with each other, to me it just that the father is in the government and the son is a pirate, they all go o the same home at night. The pirates were jailed by Riyaal, so go and get Riyaal as hostage, maaxa Burco iyo private trucks keeney. Burco has not done that just yet, the oodyaal are siding with the traders.

I am not kidding, I was online searching for some tickets and I came across this; http://www.sunseahalal.com/ Islamic travel/ beach holidays! I was wondering when Muslim countries will notice that aside from the drunken western tourist, they should probably cater for others too, particularly the none partying, not drinking crew. Segregated swimming pools, spa, Hamam and fitness centre Kid’s play area, pools, entertainment and activities Islamic Evening entertainment including nashids, comedians and women only pamper night Water sports such as river rafting and yatching Visit to the medieval Alanya Castle and remains of a Seljuk village, the Red Tower and nearby Damlatas Caves. I am so there inshallah, next year.