^^^alhumdulilah. I'm suppose to be revising but can't concentrate, so I'm surfing. How you doing?

Loool CL HAHA crazy waali on botox! haha lool heheh Hey Geel Jire; wlc

When we learnt last week that Abdallah Salih al-Ajmi had blown himself up in Mosul in northern Iraq, the US government presented this as a vindication of its policies. Al-Ajmi was a former inmate of the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay. The Pentagon says that his attack on Iraqi soldiers shows both that it was right to have detained him and that it is dangerous ever to release the camp’s prisoners(1). On the contrary, it shows how dangerous it was to put them there in the first place. Al-Ajmi, according to the Pentagon, was one of at least 30 former Guantanamo detainees who have “taken part in anti-coalition militant activities after leaving US detention”(2). Given that the majority of the inmates appear to have been innocent of such crimes before they were detained, that’s one hell of a recidivism rate. In reality it turns out that “anti-coalition militant activities” include talking to the media about their captivity in Guantanamo Bay. The Pentagon lists the Tipton Three in its catalogue of recidivists, on the grounds that they collaborated with Michael Winterbottom’s film The Road to Guantanamo. But it also names seven former prisoners, aside from Al-Ajmi, who have fought with the Taliban or Chechen rebels, kidnapped foreigners or planted bombs after their release. One of two conclusions can be drawn from this evidence, and neither reflects well on the US government. The first is that, as the Pentagon claims, these men “successfully lied to US officials, sometimes for over three years.” (3) The US government’s intelligence gathering and questioning were ineffective, and people who would otherwise have been identified as terrorists or resistance fighters were allowed to walk free, despite years of intense and often brutal interrogation. Should this be surprising? Without a presumption of innocence, without charges, representation, trials or due process of any kind, there is no reliable means of determining whether or not a man is guilty. The abuses at Guantanamo Bay not only deny justice to the inmates, they also deny justice to the world. Al-Ajmi, the authorities say, initially confessed in the prison camp to deserting the Kuwaiti army to join the jihad in Afghanistan(4). He admitted that he fought with Taliban forces against the Northern Alliance. He later retracted this confession, which had been made “under pressure and threats”(5). When the Americans released him from Guantanamo, they handed him over to the Kuwaiti government for trial, but without the admissable evidence required to convict him. Among his defences was that neither he nor his interrogators had signed his supposed testimony(6). The Kuwaiti courts, without reliable evidence to the contrary, found him innocent. All evidence obtained in Guantanamo Bay, and in the CIA’s other detention centres and secret prisons, is by definition unreliable, because it is extracted with the help of coercion and torture. Torture is notorious for producing false confessions, as people will say anything to make it stop. Both official accounts and the testimonies of former detainees show that a wide range of coercive techniques – devised or approved at the highest levels in Washington - have been used to make inmates tell the questioners what they want to hear. In his book Torture Team, Philippe Sands describes the treatment of Mohammed al-Qahtani, held in Guantanamo Bay and described by the authorities (like half a dozen other suspects) as “the 20th hijacker”. By the time his interrogators started using “enhanced techniques” to extract information from him, al-Qahtani had been kept in isolation for three months in a cell permanently flooded with light. An official memo shows that he “was talking to non-existent people, reporting hearing voices, [and] crouching in a corner of the cell covered with a sheet for hours on end.”(7) He was sexually abused, exposed to extreme cold and deprived of sleep for a further 54 days of torture and questioning. What useful testimony could be extracted from a man in this state? The other possibility is that the men who became involved in armed conflict after their release had not in fact been involved in any prior fighting, but were radicalised by their detention. In the video he made before blowing himself up, al-Ajmi maintained that he was motivated by his ill-treatment in Guantanamo Bay. “Twelve thousand kilometers away from Mecca, I realized the reality of the Americans and what those infidels want,” he said(8). He claimed he was beaten, drugged and “used for experiments” and that “the Americans delighted in insulting our prayer and Islam and they insulted the Koran and threw it in dirty places.”(9) Al-Ajmi’s lawyer revealed that his arm had been broken by guards at the camp, who beat him up to stop him from praying(10). The accounts of people released from Guantanamo Bay describe treatment that would radicalise almost anyone. In his book Five Years of My Life, published a fortnight ago, Murat Kurnaz maintains that one of the guards greeted him on his arrival with these words. “Do you know what the Germans did to the Jews? That’s exactly what we’re going to do with you.” There were certain similarities. “I knew a man from Morocco,” Kurnaz writes, “who used to be a ship captain. He couldn’t move one of his little fingers because of frostbite. The rest of his fingers were all right. They told him they would amputate the little finger. They brought him to the doctor, and when he came back, he had no fingers left. They had amputated everything but his thumbs.” The young man – scarcely more than a boy - in the cage next to Kurnaz’s had just had his legs amputated by American doctors after getting frostbite in a coalition prison in Afghanistan. The stumps were still bleeding and covered in pus. He received no further treatment or new dressings. Every time he tried to hoist himself up to sit on his pot by clinging to the wire, a guard would come and hit his hands with a billy-club. Like every other prisoner, he was routinely beaten by the camp’s Immediate Reaction Force, and taken away to interrogation cells to be beaten up some more(11). Fathers were clubbed in front of their sons, sons in front of their fathers. The prisoners were repeatedly forced into stress positions, deprived of sleep and threatened with execution. As a senior official at the US Defense Intelligence Agency says, “maybe the guy who goes into Guantanamo was a farmer who got swept along and did very little. He’s going to come out a fully fledged jihadist.”(12) In reading the histories of Guantanamo Bay, and of the kidnappings, extrajudicial detention and torture the US government (helped by the United Kingdom) has pursued around the world, two things become clear. The first is that these practices do not supplement effective investigation and prosecution; they replace them. Instead of a process which generates evidence, assesses it and uses it to prosecute, the US has deployed a process which generates nonsense and is incapable of separating the guilty from the innocent. The second is that far from protecting innocent lives, this process is likely to deliver further atrocities. Even if you put the ethics of such treatment to one side, it is surely evident that it makes the world more dangerous. Source: www.monbiot.com

What happened to money!!! Dude what happened to the rest?

She'd be far too old by then, and lost all her charms and appeal.

Nod @ our names aah, waar yaab baadanah. :cool: Che it is about time

Ngonge: Yes, I'm aware, but adopting a child is hala was what I said. The details are very different from western laws I agree. Lily lol it might be an idea to read a book on this area, otherwise you can get so confused. lol

Lool I wanted to put you on the spot yaa CL Ngonge; you can't even say hello these days miyiah??

^^^Gacaan baan ku taagi. You are one of a kind, my new role model

SO will you let stoic look around yout mouth poke around for 20mins

^^^They are no mighty, small and pearl like Malika :confused: :eek: ^^^ You did not??? lol aduunyo xaalee

I know, but I thought this year would be different, because this was raised last year. The practising community in this area is large, so the classes are full even in the middle of the day. But they are not reaching the people who really need classes with these times.

^^^I'm taking two of mine out, shall I ship them to you??

London is not doing too bad. Two whole weeks on sunshine and no rain. lool @ CL haha naag waalan. MAlika. lol okay baal waayeh.

^^^North saafar Salamah inshallah you and the family. Lool @ apprehensive about meeting the family. lool Haha. Don't foget to mention what you want to do in your review good luck Lily yes, london has been good to me, so far, but I'm not happy here.

Predators are out and about every day, regardless of the time in full gear for hunting. The assumption is they hunt, those who want to be hunted. If we are going to be out anyway, it will be safer if we are in classes in the evening, that way at least it is known where we are. Coming to classes in the morning does not mean you will be at home in the evening. Crazy logic. Anyway the whole point of these classes should be to educate those that are not normally reached or tied to the community.

^^^Lool, if only our little heat weave will last a bit longer. Che I did not realise he was in the UK. Inshallah I will. The most educated people can be the most *erm ahem*

WHY are all the sisters sessions in the morning?? ereeg, I hate this bias, that since women are always at home you can do lessons in the middle of the day, they did this last year as well.

^^^HE has two whole days left , he can't be THAT excited about coming to UK lol HEy Malika, how is the somali affair coming along?

North where are you going?? Che You must introduce him to me Wise man. Working sucks. In any case I'm making up for my earlier years. I mean most people don't start working and paying tax's till they are 19. I started work when I was 16. It is only fair I lazy about for few years now lol

We'll considering where you live, I think it is wise for you to avoid this topic. I know few brothers that have dissappeared in that area. JB feels saver than most of us because he is in H-town, but even that could only protect him so much. P.s. You seem to be under the impression that IT MATTERS whether you know them, or how to join etc. You are guilty by default. Aama run, ama keep your maryo. Waa laaisku yimi in these endz.

Read the replies my dear, it took a different turn. In any case we are mostly* Muslim here, so views, wants, desires etc are irrelevant

CL HEllo. I saw you in Oxford street, walking barefoot, with your shades, carrying your killers heels, dragging the spanish cleaner by the hair into different shops. Che Still have the exams to do, but have joined the working force. Although I'm leaving soon.

This is so overrated. Paying alcoholic faaniins in over-rated, over priced parties. Even P Diddy don't charge as much! In any case don't people ever grow up. :cool: Find something better to do with your money, give it charity. We've become like the Nigerians and Jamicans, any excuse for a party

CL, the question was if it was allowed from Deen point of view, not what the englighten CL thinks *waves, I missed you, wlc back When I use to woke the hospital, many Kuwaits use to come for IVF treatment in the summer. I always assumed it was hala. Ngonge: Adoption is hala, as long as they know you are not their parents.