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Kenya: Traders cart away capital from Eastleigh
Eastleigh, Nairobi, Kenya
Tuesday, January 22, 2013
On the brink: The bubble that was Eastleigh is threatening to burst as shoppers and traders flee the area in the wake of mysterious terror attacks.
The picture of Eastleigh is one of total withdrawal and subjugation.
The poor roads that had caved in under the weight of human traffic are empty.
Human traffic within the Eastleigh peri-urban shopping centre has thinned to unimaginable levels like the morning dew that evaporates with the rising sun.
The flow of toxic sludge — evidence of human life and activity — onto the roads is gradually drying up.
The verandas of mega buildings that teemed with hawkers and wares on display have been zone off with mean nylon ropes — as if to keep the ‘bad guys’ away.
The hawkers, whose daily bread singularly hinged on shouting, have since gone mute — vending their wares in silence and only occasionally waving gently at a passing onlooker.
The stalls that housed not just the merchandise but secret safes hoarding millions of shillings are deserted in their dozens.
Public transport is a sorry portrait of a battered sub-sector. PSV conductors — known for the sub-culture of violence and ruthlessness — have been reduced to a tame lot. Seated in their vessels, they count on providence and blank stares to bring passengers their way.
The drivers, openly bored due to an alien culture — one of total order and silence — drift off in thoughts. With vehicle stereos in the mute piling onto their misery, the drivers often doze off as they await a signal from their conductors to step on the pedal.
Shoppers and traders alike talk in low tones — occasionally glancing over their shoulders as they barter their suspicions.
This is the new Eastleigh where fear of the unknown is the new commodity in stock.
The recent wave of terror attacks in the area has sent a chill down the spine of residents and shoppers alike. The security crackdown that followed has only made life harder and business near impossible.
Businesses worth billions of shillings are either closing down in Eastleigh or being relocated to other countries.
Business Beat has authoritatively learnt that proprietors are fleeing the region’s business hub to escape a sting of security operations targeting aliens — most of who run a chain of businesses in the area.
Massive withdrawals
Banks that rushed to the area are already feeling the pinch of the fleeing businesspeople.
Our investigations reveal that an estimated Sh10 billion was withdrawn from 12 banks that operate in the area in the past three months alone.
Efforts to get a comment from Barclays Bank Managing Director Adan Mohammed proved futile, as he did not respond to our phone calls.
Paul Sesi, Head of Operations at Chase Bank, which also operates in the area said Chase Bank hadn’t witnessed any panic withdrawals.
“We are yet to see anything untoward,” said Sesi. “We haven’t been affected and are operating normally.”
But even as operators in the areas denied knowledge of anything unseemly, Barclays Bank, which used to operate two branches on a 24-hour basis, has since stopped night operations due to lack of customers.
“Barclays now operates only day time because the night business is dead,” says Hussein Roba, Chairman Eastleigh Residents Community Association (ERCA).
“People no longer sell or buy at night because nobody wants to dare the police to a duel.”
A few months ago, the Government outlawed the alien card — apparently the only identity and security some of the traders held — making their stay in the country untenable.
“The government recently issued a directive that such people should either go back to their countries of origin or refugee camps,” says Eastleigh District Officer Charles Muiruri.
Some of the traders are reportedly fleeing to Somalia, Uganda and Dubai while others are said to be ‘melting’ into within the country — most notably at the Coast.
Analysts say the developments in Eastleigh — previously believed to be nexus of unexplained cash flows from piracy and sneaked goods from Somalia, vindicate a report by the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics (KNBS) for the quarter ending June 2012. The report showed that unexplained forex flows dropped to the lowest level.
“There is widespread belief that some of the money used to fund the booming property market in Kenya and other businesses is from Somalia,” says Job Kihumba a director at Standard Investment Bank (SIB).
“It is likely that this money found its way to Eastleigh.”
According to the KNBS data, unexplained foreign money in Kenya’s banking system fell to Sh6.5 billion ($76.5 million) mid last year from a high of Sh170 billion ($2 billion) at the beginning of 2011 — the lowest in five years.
Cheap imports
Kenya had also been flooded by billions of shillings worth of goods imported through the Al-Shabaab controlled Somalia coastline — and sold cheaply into the market. However, this has severely been affected by the fall of Kismayu.
Provincial administrators say smugglers have been trying to sneak in goods from Ethiopia through Moyale into the area, but this has proved costly, especially with the influx of cheaper goods from China.
The security operation in Eastleigh started slightly over six months ago, but has intensified in the recent past following a series of blasts in the area.
It is believed the successful excursion of Kenya Defence Forces (KDF’s) in Somalia has helped stem piracy in Indian Ocean and blocked the routes used by smugglers to sneak in goods to the country.
“Eastleigh is at a critical crossroads and will likely emerge from the ongoing crisis looking quite different from the one we know today,” says Kihumba.
“Most businesses that operate there will be affected in some way, regardless of how the security operation unfolds.”
The exodus of moneyed immigrants, mostly of Somali origin, has also left property owners in Eastleigh chalking up huge losses in lost rent.
In fact, the provincial administration is now fighting to stem an explosive situation brewing between thousands of vacating tenants who are all demanding back their rent deposits and reluctant property owners, some of who are still repaying the loans they used to build the houses.
“It is true we are swamped by numerous cases between landlords and several tenants who are vacating,” says Muiruri.
Muiruri says the situation is so complex that in some instances, a property owner is swamped by more than 20 tenants all demanding their deposits back because they are relocating.
In a familiar tale of high-living in the boom years, followed by an uncomfortable return to reality, the landlords borrowed heftily from banks to construct houses for the incoming immigrants.
The exodus of the ‘refugees’ has triggered a plunge in the value of the assets the loans were based on — with some borrowers reportedly having trouble making repayments.
The fleeing traders have also left several business premises in prime areas like Garissa Lodge unoccupied.
A survey by Business Beat revealed a number of vacant business premises in Eastleigh’s business hub where 16 tenants vacated a mall referred to as Yaburiani last week.
According to Hussein, Sh500 million used to exchange hands in Eastleigh’s major business hub before the security operation, but things have since changed with estimates showing the figures could have plunged to Sh150 million.
A high-ranking provincial administrator who requested not to be named due to sensitivity of the matter confirmed the figures.
Besides local traders who come from various towns to buy stuff from Garissa Lodge, it has also been a key wholesale market for traders from the Democratic Republic of Congo, Rwanda and Uganda.
These people have started shying away from Eastleigh on growing perceptions of insecurity in Nairobi peri-urban shopping centre and most importantly, because the people they used to buy from are running away.
Incidentally, certain sectors of the Eastleigh economy have received a boost since the sporadic attacks and subsequent security operation with the most notable being security companies and taxi operators.
Providing alternative means of transport for staff unwilling to travel into branches in Eastleigh was the principal cost of the situation for two banks that have branches in the area.
“They have deployed more security personnel at their premises and we now have to pick and drop members of their staff who fear being caught in potentially explosive situations in the area,” says a taxi operator who requested not to be named.
It is booming business for taxi operators and security guards who now have extra duties, but the situation is not enjoyable because we also have to check what is happening behind our backs.”
There are now fears that the relocation of businesses from Eastleigh could have longer-term economic repercussions revenue collections.
The fall in property prices, reduction of business activities and its impact on the retail and hotel industries could also have far reaching ramifications in the country.
Financial institutions that provided loans towards the construction of some of these properties could be facing a potentially crippling situation as they could end up with assets in collaterals whose value is way below the amount given.
For example unofficial estimates show that Nairobi City Council would collect Sh50 million less in taxes than in the previous fiscal year, with loss of parking fees and other licences from traders responsible for a huge chunk of the loss.
The remainder is a result of the decreases in value of other property in the area and, interestingly, by a reduction in the value of hotels.
Source: Standard Digital
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Nin-Yaaban;910201 wrote:There is nothing wrong with it. It happens all the time. Personally, I like women who are much older than I am and have been in a relationship with quite few of them.
Nothing wrong with older women... Naag dhishan ... experience leh maxaa ka maqan?
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That is not him mooge! Faarole marki la waayay, fiqi maas soo qaadatay?
Fiqi does an exellent job and we hope that he continues.
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Ninka wuu sigtay! And I mean that in a literal sense, notice what he does after a few seconds when he realises that he is going to be shot. He jumps on the man with all his might. Didn't think that an old man like him would have such strength.
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hlib? lol, Nice pics MMA, loved the papaayo with sugar iyo liin
When are you going to post the nice travel diary with pics? Meesha muddo aa laga maqnaay, noo sheeg waxa aad ku soo aragtay. -
Haatu that cismaaniya script does look like it got influences from amharic/tigrigna gez scriptues, the ba bi bu letters look like that.
No faaido at all. Its not even a "ancient somali script". For all i know it was created in the 1900.
A more ancient somali scripit would be Sheekh Yuusuf kowneyn (rax) script with the arabic letters created by him in 1900 century. Though it never gained popularity as was always used by the elitist wadaads of somalia of that age it is nevertheless historic.
I personally think that the latin was the best choice. Now days a somali author can easily write a book by publishing it easily because of the latin scriptures. It wouldn't be easy for a Somali to publish his books with those only Somali used letters of cismaaniya script.
Nevertheless Cismaan Keenadiid alle ha u naxariisto efforts should be appreciated. A gifted person as he was understood the difficulties somalis had when they didnt have their own script, So he made his own script.
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Xaajiyow erayga empire describes to me soldiers pillaging natives in villages and and robbery of wealth in a distant land..... Same as what the british did. The spread of islam was not a form of empire building, or atleast not in it's infant years. It was simply a spread of ideas. Year 600 was truly days of ignorance,
Then came islam, it energised people and made them belive they could attain faith in God. Islam just as you said was accepted by most people as the saviours. The Persians with their rich history and culture accepted it. They even made arabic the lingua of franca for allmost 300 years.
One of the fascinating traits about islam is that it asserts responsibility on the indvidual. Its vast spread was connected because of its cultur connecting traits, Indonesian Islam has it's own unique way of expression, The Chinese mosques are beutifully connected to the Chinese archecture (they dont look like minaret ones). The somali islam with it's nomadic dugsis and xer were connected to our way of life An empire would never have done these things.
By the way those who stated in other threads who spoke negatively about somali dugsis compared to arab ones failed to understand that most arabs are not xufaad while most somalis are.
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Che -Guevara;907815 wrote:People arguing over an emptied land or ruined capital.+2! Finally some said it!.
I have to agree with nuune this thread is pointless but the responses show how delicate the situation is. Naabad ma lagaara wali y? Have true clan-harmony been created so that non-mogadishu can settle back and trust that his property will not be looted again.
Lets be honest guys!. Taleexi said it so wisely, When mogadishans can feel they have equal opprttunities to become mayor in Hargeysa Boosaso Laas Caanod, the vica versa happens in the capital.
And by the way, what happend to be compitent? I dont want a corrupt fat mayor elected on clan grounds. I want the most compitent on the job.
Regarding the history of Mudishu, it ís not a city that was made up. It has history and ofcourse its the ancestral land of some clans just as othet cities in somalis are. But I am willing to share it, why should we not share it? All cities should be shared, soomaliya soomali baa leh soomaha?
Xaaji, yaa Unuka siiyay xamar? What a´bout reer Minikayga minkaaga waaye
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Kismaayu frenzy is officaly over.....:eek:
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Somaliphilosopher, that might be correct who knows? But the point is that the issue needs to be resolved right?
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Some would say that murder even occurs in New York, so why not in Mogadishu?. I am not suprised that some one got killed but whats sad in this tragic event that the man was killed when he tried to get his house back!, even worse by his own maternal family.
Muqdisho is today booming but with it brings a lot of issues that needs to be reseolved. A lot of people want their property back. The Federal Somali government should make a commite to come up with strategies solving these issues. Xaaran-ku naxaayaasha (the xaram-beacons) needs to be evicted.
It would not suprise that some members of the somali parliament are living in hotels while their own houses are a ockupied
An Ominous Return: Murder
in Kaaraan
By: Hassan M. Abukar
August 10, 2012
Asli Ali did not hear from her son, Ahmed, for several days.
Ahmed, after many years abroad, had returned to Mogadishu in March, 2012.
Asli became fidgety with each passing hour and concerned in her comfortable home in Toronto, Canada.
Something was amiss.
Kaaraan District, Mogadishu
Ahmed would call her every day from Kaaraan district in Mogadishu, where the family’s sprawling villa was located. She knew how dangerous Mogadishu could be.
On June 17, 2012 the family finally received the call that turned their world upside-down.
Ahmed, 48, had been found dead in one of the bedrooms in the villa. His uncle, Ahmadey Hassan Ali Jimaale, discovered the corpse.
Jimaale and his family had been living in the villa since 1991. Asli had asked him to protect the property until her family returned to Somalia. Jimaale worked for the Somali government in the field of intelligence.
What devastated Asli and her family even more was the manner in which her son had died.
Ahmed, who was found bound, gagged, and stabbed multiple times, was said to have had killed himself.
“Suicide?” screamed his mother.
She was incredulous at the notion that a man could tie himself up, and then stab himself so many times.
“There are other, and perhaps, easier ways one can end his life,” Asli muttered.
A female relative told Asli, over the phone, immediately after the body was found that Ahmed had actually been murdered.
The Kaaraan district police officers, who came to the house and investigated the scene, had difficulty believing it was a case of suicide. The story flew in the face of all the evidence. To the police, It was a staged crime scene. The uncle, it seemed to the authorities, knew more than he was letting on.
“How could you not have heard any noises last night? You were sleeping next room?” one police officer asked the uncle.
The police took Ahmed’s uncle and, later, his aunt into custody on suspicion of murder.
Ahmed A. Abdirahman circa 2010
An autopsy by an independent medical examiner proved the police were right when they ruled the case as homicide. Ahmed had been stabbed in his kidneys, liver, heart, back, under the shoulder-blades, and in his throat. The stab wound to the heart, according to the autopsy report, was the fatal blow. A knife left in his throat was determined to have been placed five hours after Ahmed’s death, in an effort to make the killing look self-inflicted.
Hussein Abdirahman, Ahmed’s younger brother, was appalled by the way his brother had met his demise.
“It is the savagery of the crime that is very disturbing,” he stated.
Hussein, a criminal justice major, had his own theory of who might have done it, but the evidence was merely circumstantial.
“Most likely, it is someone holding on to hatred, or grudge, or perhaps, has a financial stake in the commission of this heinous crime,” Hussein stated.
Ahmed Abdulkhadir Abdirahman was born in Mogadishu in 1964 to Somali-Arab parents. His nickname was “Ahmed Barre” because he had a red birthmark the size of an eraser on his forehead. His father, Abdulkhadir, was one of the first Somali school principals in the country. Ahmed’s father was a product of a Somali-Arab father and a mother who hailed from a dominant clan in Mogadishu. The father passed away in 2004.
“My late husband had held some important government posts,” noted Asli.
The family was doing well financially when the Somali Civil War broke out in 1991. They owned six commercial stores, all of which adjacent to their home.
Ahmed had nine siblings, and was the third oldest. He was also the father of two daughters, ages 14 and 11.
“My brother was pleasant, kind, gentle, gregarious and loving,” remembered Hussein. “He had an ebullient personality.”
Asli recalled how her son, as a student, had displayed high intellect and a seriousness of purpose.
“He was the first in his class,” she said with pride. “He decided to return to Mogadishu after he had studied civil engineering in Saudi Arabia, in order to help his people.”
Ahmed was one of thousands of Somalis who had returned to war-torn Mogadishu after two decades of absence due to the civil war. The city has been enjoying relative peace and stability, and business has started to boom. Many of the returnees naturally attempted to reclaim their properties, which they had abandoned in the early 1990s. Tensions arose between those who were reclaiming their properties and the others who had illegally occupied them. There have been instances when the returnees were asked to pay extortion money, or even ended up being killed for simply asking for what was rightfully theirs.
Ahmed’s family did not have to worry because their property was in good hands. The uncle moved into the villa to make sure it did not fall into the wrong hands. He never paid rent, nor did he share the revenues from the six stores with Ahmed’s family.
According to Asli, Ahmed’s return was his own choice, and, hence, never coordinated with the family. His arrival in Mogadishu, according to the family, was not an attempt to reclaim the family property. Ahmed was given a room in the family’s five-bedroom villa but was uncomfortable with the way his uncle treated him.
“My son was scared and even forewarned me about an imminent danger,” said Asli, choking on her tears.
Hussein also said that he had been getting daily text messages from his brother in the two weeks prior to his death.
“Ahmed would complain about his uncle and aunt, and say that the two had a secret agenda to take over the ownership of the villa,” Hussein added.
In one instance, according to the mother, while Ahmed was drinking tea in the house, his uncle grabbed the cup from him and said, “What are you doing here? Don’t you know that there are people out there who are coming to kill you?”
Ahmed, according to the family, calmly told his uncle that he would defend himself.
Asli said that Ahmed called her afterwards and was growing increasingly agitated and fearful for his life. That is when he decided to move out of the family house and rent a place in the Hamarweyne District.
One week later, he was dead.
Prior to Ahmed’s killing, a man had contacted Asli and told her he was serious about buying the villa. She called Ahmed and asked him to show the villa to the potential buyer. Ahmed told her that he did not want to get involved for fear of alienating his uncle. It was the uncle who had previously dissuaded the family from selling the property.
Ahmed’s uncle and aunt were eventually released on bail, but the investigation continued. The family is concerned that the two might be flight-risk.
A day after the incident, Hussein called one of his cousins only to find his call transferred to the jail where his aunt was being held.
“What did you do?” asked Hussein.
“Ahmed was my son. Why would I kill my own son,” responded the aunt.
According to the uncle, Ahmed had gone to bed at 11 on the night before, and said that he was afraid. The uncle told him to go to his room, and assured that no one would bother him. Ahmed did not appear for breakfast. It was 3 o’clock in the afternoon when the uncle became concerned and broke down Ahmed’s locked door.
Ahmed’s motionless body was found.
Hussein talked to his uncle afterwards and became suspicious. A statement made by the uncle caught him off-guard.
“They [perpetrators] had stabbed Ahmed viciously,” the uncle said.
The word “they,” was revealing, according to Hussein, and indicated the uncle knew that more than one person had been involved in the killing.
It was also odd that the uncle was implying that Ahmed, after all, did not kill himself.
The family is perplexed at the glacial pace of the investigation.
There is skepticism that the case will be solved soon. The prosecutors are backlogged with thousands of cases. Mogadishu’s 2 million residents have only nine full time prosecutors.
Moreover, the family’s minority status, according to Hussein, is hampering any progress in the case. The family is feeling injustice and the government’s lack of genuine interest in solving the murder.
It was only after members of the Somali-Arab community in Mogadishu got involved in the case was Ahmed’s autopsy administered.
Speaking in cautious but hopeful tones, Hussein said that the family is facing a daunting task, but that they would never give up until all of the perpetrators are put behind bars.
“It is the duty of the government,” he further emphasized, “to bring justice to the table, and treat all citizens equally before the law.”
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Odey;907549 wrote:Actually the shocking thing I found out about this particular case is that he not only lives in an occupied house, the owner is buried within the compound of the house. rumour has it that he placed him in that grave after killing him. Only Allah knows the truth, but that story is widely believed in Xamar.and I guess that he has a tusbax with skeleton beads and drinks blood in the night? Rumors say so
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The Banaadiri **** community fully supports what the puntland elders have come forward with. The government or the HAG elements needs to give back the houses that belongs to the banadiri***** and to all other somalis who abrubly left mogadishu 1991.
The government needs to give a slap to the xaaran-kunaaxayaasha!
Another solution is compensation,,,, 20 years is a long time, either compensate or give back the houses!
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Marka cadeey yaa gaari karo, Here is a song in af-marko-...
Certain clans in Marka does only speak af-marka, its distinct from af-maay is only spoken by the true markawians.
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Haatu
Stop being Xenophobic sxb. Last month we were whining about the xenophibic attacks against somalis in Zambia and here we are ourselves being horrified by the oromos in somaliland.
Xaaji, if poor oromos sought asylum in Somaaliland of all other nations in Africa I belive that is a proof how desperate they are! Marka, let them be and set them free
Many people, just as nuune said, migrate becouse of economical issues, err..... Somalis in South Africa?, Somalis in Zimbaabwe? Does that a ring a bell? So why not oromos? By the way these poor oromos probably work at low-paid service jobs, What would we do to them if they would open "OROMO SHOP" in the middle of Hargeysa with more cheaper and effective goods?
Wallahi we would just burn them alive with machetes? Err, South African bantus? does that ring a bell?
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Love the dancers, specially the one in the middle:cool:
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Jacpher you are confusing the people by claiming the praise of the prophet to be shirk. What is shirk according to the Shariica?
Nabi Amaan is shirk?, Does not god say in the quran when he speaks of the prophet as " waa innaka calaa quluqin cadiim (Indeed you are of great creation/character (quran)
What conclusion can we draw from this verse?
a ) God praises the prophet
b) If God speaks about the greatness of the sublime messenger, what should the believers say?
Another proof is what did the companions do? Did not the they take the spit (saliva) of the prophet and rub themselves with it? (Bukhari). Truly it was truly perfume and medicine in it's best descpriotion. Did not the prophet even have some companions that only involved themselves in the euologies and poetry that spoke of his great position? Did the companions engage in shirk?
The sayid, the master of all prophet, our beloved, xabiibi muxammad scw even went to sidratul-muntaha (the blessed tree) and walked steps that even the Jabriil , the arch-angel could not, So should we not praise him? The Wahabiyiyaa will now say " do not praise him as christians". My God! Who is praising as christians? Ma anagaa ayaa caabudno nabiga? We only say what is confirmed of him, namely he is the best of creation and the best of character! Regarding the visitation of the graves, in Sahih Bukhari the prophet encouraged the belivers to visit the graves, Whats the problem?
I remember once when I was in the mosque, I fellow friends started to recite some qasaaid in the mosque, yar dhalinyaro with no knowlidge ccame to us and accused by shirk. If gave the book of the qasaaid and said to him to find where we were exactly doing shirk. To our suprise he could not even speak arabic, and then we we showed the translation in somali wuu iska aamusay
Xaaji Xunjuf regarding the phrase "rasool allow adaa raxmad ka rabnaaye". Read that phrase with a good intention. What is wrong with the prophet showing us mercy? Was he not sent us a mercy to mankind... Sooma ogid that the prophet will do the shafaaca (interseccion) on theday of judgement`?
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Did he say he was a diplomat for 20 years? Maybe he was, you never know, but one thing is for sure he had a bizarre behavior. If you were a police-officer at the airport, would you not pick that guy?
If he would have been calm and quit no one would seen this lol!
The guy clearly had to many cocktails at the plane!
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Apophis;902703 wrote:Cut the chewing sxb, my mood has lifted so much since stopping it. It'll be slightly hard but after a week or two you should start to see results.Apophis how dare you say such comments about shajaratuul fiiha baraka ( the blessed tree).
If you quit the tree and its new year eve what will it bee? lol -
lool mooge, corrputionka 2013 xadda maaba la bilaabay lol!
So whose the un-offical winner eh? Alpa-blondy? Love his spinning remarks;)
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Haatu;903144 wrote:First lesson:Q. What is tawheed?A. The oneness of Allah in worshipQ. How many parts does it have and what are they?A. It has 3 parts and they are Oneness of Allah in Lordship, Oneness of Allah in worship and the Oneness of Allah in his beautiful names and attributes.Q. What is the proof for the Oneness of Allah in Lorship?A. "All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the worlds" Surah FatihahQ. What is the proof of the Oneness of Allah in worship?A. " And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allah, and worship none but Him Alone" Surah Bayyinah Verse 5.Q. What is the proof for the Oneness of Allah in his beautiful names and attributes?A. Lord of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, so worship Him (Alone) and be constant and patient in His worship. Do you know of any who is similar to Him? (of course none is similar or coequal or comparable to Him, and He has none as partner with Him). [There is nothing like unto Him and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer]. Surah Maryam Verse 65. (I remembered a clearer proof).Haatu Jambo sxb! Yaa diidaan Tawxiidka?
2: You said Tawxiid is in three parts? Where did you find this categorisation of tawheed in three parts? Imaamyada mujtahadiinta ahaay tawxiidka sadax mey u kula dhigeen?
3: Yaa diidan in wax oo alle ahayn in la caabudo?
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Wadani;903491 wrote:My political views are in line those of Apo.Xabad, u mentioned atrocities committed by ghadafi against his people. If giving them a standard of living among the best in the world is an atrocity, i'd have to concur. There's not a shred of evidence proving ghadafi massacred his ppl, it was nothing more than a heinous lie used as a pretext to invade his oil rich country....a fabrication much like the WMD in Iraq that proved to be a figment of the neocon imagination. U want proof when it comes to relgion, but all of this goes out the window when it comes to intl politics eh?+1
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nuune;902420 wrote:Khadafi, you believe that crap of Somalia's population to be 3 or 4 million, they still say that though in the media, Xamar alone has ove 2 million.I dont belive in it But I dont either believe we are 48 million! Their is a simple of way of trying to estimate the somali population. If you look at a Somali guy and if you talk to him you will in a few moments find some common grounds, meaning that You will know a third person who know the guy. This might sound weird but thats what I noticed!
Marka if everybody knows each other we cant possibly be 48 million.Somalia has 8-9 million people, somali.ethiopia 2 million, NFD 1 million, plus djabouti 1 million, total 12-13 million.!
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nuune;902416 wrote:According to Western istatistikis, there is 77 death in every 1000 born, good news for aid workers as they cash more.Somalia proper population is now heading towards 19.7 million, if we add NFD to that it will be 28.3 million, add to Somali Galbeed, and we have 32.2 million, now add to Djibouti and total we have 48 million Somaliweyn, don't forget to add Somalis in the diaspora, that makes it 57.3 million in total of all Somalis from all corners of the world.Magical statistics nuune:D In 1973 acording to the old Siyaad regime we were 3.5 million and thirty years later we are 48 million. Thats mor then 200% increase. What should we belive?
Sheikh Muuse cadde learns the wahabbis a lesson
in General
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Salaaxadiin, Did the the prophet make the saalaada taraawixda in jamac? No he did not. Does it mean that is something that we should not do? Ofcourse not. I could copy and pase a long fatwa with full of culama who supports the mawlid but for the sake of the discussion I will not do that. The Wahaabiyya Could also do that. I do not think that will lead to a fruitfull discussion.
Let us use the wahaabi logic and se where it leads us. A couple of years ago when we were making the mawlid in a community center a somali man came to us and said "Why are you doing this, did the prophet do this". Before I continued I asked him "Tell us, what are we doing"
God be praised, The man was not decitful in his character he answerd "You are reading the quran, you are reciting poetry to the prophet, and you are talking about his seera .
I asked him, is this forbidden in the view point of the shareeca. The Wahaabi man answerd with a clear No, But he did say "the prophet did not do this on this specefic outlined day"
So, I answerd him... and told him " Sheekh, what about your gatherings in the summer". (For those who dont know it. The wahabiyya organises big events every summer. They usally read the quran, have some muxaadaro and other good things.)
I told him, sheekh, Did the prophet tell you guys congregate every summer in july? He said No. I abrubtly ended the discussion
My yaa salaxaadin is: If the acts are not bidden, infact they are praise worthy, and do not break the shareeca it should be recommended.
Mawlidka nabiga is a blessed day. His birth even made abu jahl so happy that he freed prophets beloved breast feeding Slave. All the creations between the heaven and earth became happy. Indeed Sayid Muxammad was the one who attained the title imaamu-qibalatyn ( The Imam of the two directions. He was the Sayid of All Sayid.