Che, horta waxaan u maleeyn waxa la qoro ma akhridid ee waxaad rabtaad ka aqridaa what you are reading. 1. Ku noqo kor oo eeg what i am saying about ONLF. I am saying i am not starting calls for reform today. I have been calling for reforms from the get go. Never have I defended the divisive and clannish O label! Never! 2. On kismaayo, ma kala jeclin cidii maamulaysa. Laakiin waxaa kaa maqan in hadaad wax aan jirin aaminto inaad wrong conclusions gaadhayso. Maanta dhamaan ciidamada shisheeye halaga saaro soomaliya. What happen? Alshabab part II. I guess you have no problem with that. I have a problem with that. If that is the reality, if the president cannot enforce his rule anywhere except Benadir, he got to realise his limitations and should not behave like Real president. You may think we are denouncing him for clan reasons and you are entitled to your opinion. But we are opposing his methods not necessarily his vision. Adiga se waxaagu waa linear line Bush-like oo isma waafajin kartid dhowr mawquf oo istaltalaabya. That is your problem. You also tend to be a bit populist. Populism is not the same as pedigree.

Baryahan Che maxaa si kaa ah? Kismaayo iyo ONLF unbaa lagaa siiyey. I guess it is part of growing up. Suddenly you start to hate all the things you liked. Seriously, Kismaayo dadka daga oo qabiil kasta leh hadayna ku heshiin faragalin Muqdisho iyo Nairobi toona kuma hagaagayso. Dawlad maanta aan Kismaayo cadawga AlShabab ka difaaci karin inay dawladnimo sheegato oo ay cadaalad baa ka shaqeeyn tidhaa micno ma samaynayso. There is no gurantee the government formula of 'inclusivity' is better than the communities will come up when they establish a regional state. How that state will work with Mogadishu will be determined by what the consitution says about the relationship between the center and the regions. Having said that I have never been a fan of Federalism and I will gladly accpet if it is abolished, but the reality on the ground looks the pain of the past hasn't sufficiently healed and people want it this way, at least as a start. The centrist thing also won't work when you have a President like Hassan who is already mistrusted by some sections of the society, whether rightly or wrongly. About the ONLF, I have always been for reform. I am not starting to ask them to reform, to throw out the clan name, to come up with better politics tor to die TODAY. You know this. So, why do you ask me to ask the ONLF to reform. What is this dishonesty,waryaa.

NGONGE;888293 wrote: This Somali president talked the talk when he took the job but he's been struggling to walk straight so far! First, he (and his PM) tell SL that they will not use any force or political coercion when it comes to the dealings between the two sides. What does he go on and do? He hires a failed SL politician for the job of FM. Second, he falls out with the militia (and country) that liberated Kismayo without having any powerful alternative for either. Third, he instructs his ambassadors to lodge complaints against the country that is keeping that city safe at this point in time! (of course, there is every chance that these ambassadors acted of their own accord and the president or his PM issued no instructions on such matter, which of course makes it even worse). It's all very silly really. I AM Abtigiis and I endorse this message, every letter of it. I blame this meditation the wadaads say they do when faced with tough decisions to make - istiqfaar- miyaa la yidhaa? basically, it is using head-or-tail kind of thing to make a huge decision. No strategic thinking behind political decisions of the man they veritably call Culusoow.

Uchi, that is an old man's joke. Old jokes are naturally rude. Seriously, waa inaan isa saamaxno ani iyo aidgu. We may not see things the same way, but we are brothers. And at times i worry I am taking this banter on SOL a bit too far. What about if I die without you and me meeting ever and the memory you have of me is ninkii dhibta badnaa ee wareersanaa. Waryaa ha la isa saamaxo ninyahow. I have no hard feeling to any SOLers runti, including Uchi.

Turning Somali government delgation from the Airport was a big mistake. But this protest at the UN reminds me the proverbial blind man who decided to wage a gurrilla warfare. The story says he was caught in the backyard of the village he thought he run away from. Waxaan meelna gaadhayn la iskuma daaliyo.

Uchi, son of Faroole is here. Some say Faroole is a terrorist. Does that mean we should also throw out Uchi? Naga daaya dee, with this logic cidna meesha kuma soo hadhayso. supporters of the terrorist dooxada jubba Gabbal and Abwaan oo miidhan ayaa meesha ka buuxa. Markaa ma in meesha lagu kala tagaa! I mean some say I am a supporter of the terrorist Axmed Madoobe too, although I personally think Axmed Madoobe is an Ethiopian project. I mean in addition to Kenya.

Which takes both of us out of this fourm. :D

I agree. Khaatumoites deem SNM a terrorist organisation.

rudy-Diiriye;888219 wrote: ABTI I think u should be banned! :D :D Apophis, see how you were wrong. Now we have lost rudy to the Maaddeey!.

Apophis;888215 wrote: Plus, I think the whole "Islamic Jihad" mentality that took root after 9/11 has run it's course. These kinds of groups are not attracting the numbers they used to before and will, in my opinion, disappear or be utterly irrelevant, within 5 to 10 years. So, you mean no one is listening to Che and Maaddeey, and we should learn how to live with their mindless ideolgies in SOL? :D Sidaasi waaba inkaar'e!

There is nothing wrong with the protest of the Somali government, legally speaking. If they think Kenya is interfering in the affairs of Somalia, they can register their protest with the UN. BUT, with a big but, they should be prepared to bear the consequences if Kenya decides to withdraw today, AlShabab takes over Kismayo or inter-clan mayhem ensues. The problem with the governments behaviour here is that it is acting like a NORMAL national government when the facts on the ground make it an ABNORMAL government and hence make normal international rules irrelevant. I don't even want to talk about consistency with regard to the behavior of forien forces, notably Ethiopias, anymore. For instance, we also hear Ethiopian security agents are in Kismaayo. Is the government also protesting against this? It is clearly a foreign interference too! There is too much rat in the government's behaviour. Ooba, yes biologically speaking there is a possiblity Nuur Cadde and Americo are HAG. With Dalxa, remember the Kamasle H thing in the 1990s?

Nazi views are still banned in the world. It is not about Alshabab resurrecting militarily, it is about ensuring no one is exposed to their wild ideas.

The misery the terrorist Jihadists AlShababa inflicted on Somalia is beyond imagination. They raped the country and its people. Their ideology is vile, their methods are barbaric. They are outlawed in Somalia and in the region. But they are still legal in Somaliaonline and air their views like any other concerned Somali. If we agree they are anti-humanity, anti-Somalia, why do we still allow their views to be heard on respectable forums like this one? Expressing views that condone or imply support for Alshabab must be criminalized in this forum as urgently as possible. Nowhere in the world are all views allowed to be communicated in the media. There are always those views which are regarded as ‘hateful’ or insensitive. This does not mean we should ban CHE and Maaddeey, by the way. It means they be told not to write anything supportive of Alshabab on this forum, and MMA should delete it when they do that.

Ngonge, I have stated the information I said I heard. As far as I am concerned when I talk of insider information the only thing that matters is to be honest with myself, not to assuage the feelings or the appetite of puny men in this forum.

Daqane, which of our classified information are you discrediting? Or is this a way of attacking the information I presented by attacking me?

Here are the sanctimonious lot who take every description literally and refuse to see the usefulness of allegory. Welcome Yunis.

Abwaanoow, Hoos in la isu sheegiyo hadii, hadal la deyn waayey Hido xumo bah Yaacquub nin ihi, hayb ma faaqido e

Horta Ooba Hiloowlow is the Al Sharpton of HAG maxaa ka jira?!?? :D if that is true, it means Dayniile is its fox news!

GT, it is clear from the context cida loo tiriyey. Meesha waxaa laga hadlayaa waa Xoolo ee Kaluun ma aha. Bari xoolo aan kaluun ahay kuma ogi.

Halac dheere maxaa loo hafrayaa, meeshu martiyey soo ma aheyn meeshi la yidhi: " Qolqoladda hadii ay martidu, qab iska soo siiso Qoladiinan reer Pirate yaan, qadaw ka foofayne, Qabey caano geel lagu lisiyo, qado mahaysaane Ma dad baydun qali, xoolo waad ka qatanaydeene :D

I can tell you Indhacadde and Goobaanle were not in the mission President Hassan sent to Kismayo. That was a big lie. But there are many truths that we spoke here which you do not want to believe. We understand your caution, but also try to imagine our situation!

Chimera, what would constutute "a clear evidence"? And why do you make assertions based on assumptions, when we are offering opinions based on information? Abwaan, if Saaciid is a PM, then I am the foreign Minister!

Chimera!!!!!! Which Prime Minister?! The one in the side pocket of Hassan?! The condom?!

Vsabba, that is true! So, we know your tribe too.

Chimera, I never doubt your integrity and sincerity. You are one of the most sensible people in this forum and I think you are right in not taking our words and in giving the President the benefit of the doubt. I just feel you are too dignified to imagine a president of a nation, a big man, could think so low. I think this 'can't be' disbelief blinds you to real possibilities. With the information we hear from Villa Somalia - thanks to our position which allows us to get these information, I fear we will soon go back to the 1990s civil war. As you know, I don't care about who owns Kismayo, I don't care who rules it. I am criticizing President Hassan because the way he is handling Kismayo is not helping national reconcilliation. What is the need to plan to change all commanders in Kismayo and to send 800 soldiers fom mogadishu, as he plans to do? That is what he is telling donors! Is that not igniting war when he knows the armed groups in Kismayo will not accept it?! What is the urgency? Why can't he wait and see the admin the people of the region establish and then gradually engage them the same way he is expected to engage other regions? Isn't the ungoverned central regions an issue that needs his attention?