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  2. Posted

    Jacpher;698146 wrote:
    OO waxaad ileedahay the sixteen safiir uma iman recongnition ee dan kaley wateen? Meetinka Siilanayo with the sixteen safiir ay JB iyo NG balada ka dhigayeen was all about the porno guy.
    :D

     

    Hadde ninkan tol baa u gurmadayee gabadhaa yaa u tol ah?

    Go on and mix your stories up why don't you! :D

     

    If the president pardoned them all, fair enough. If not, someone needs to kick up a fuss (preferably the opposition).

  3. Posted

    As you can see, that's simply the projection of one donor regarding the aid they’re providing. Would it be farfetched to assume that others would attach similar conditions? The question, of course, is if the SL authorities follow the plan and not misappropriate these funds. Personally, I believe that, on the whole, they will not dare do so. In addition, and because they want to remain in power and gain recognition! To do so, they realise that they will have to play their cards right and show visible signs of progress. In the end, recognition or not, the SL people (including those in SSC) are bound to benefit from these steps. This is the economic advantage I am speaking about.

     

    On the political front and the whole representation hullaballoo, that will only come with full participation. Now you may disagree and say that clan politics will not allow it but I would strongly disagree with that argument and counter it by stating that because of clan politics the chances of the SSC clan playing a big part in SL politics are much higher than doing so in PL. It is also the reason that Riyaale lasted for eight long years. The clan is everything mantra applies across the board. However, it changes and adjusts according to the arena its being played in. So, in Somali wide politics, the beloved H of the PL & SSC collective comes into play but in PL politics waa la kala baxa and envious talk of the MJ trinity comes into play instead (however, the parts that make up the MJ trinity don’t seem big enough or loud enough to have dreams of being “stand alones” in that entity or demand that power be given to them – this is not a dig on the famous saying about black headed goats by the way). In SL’s case and when the arena is SL politics, the three ladies stand out as clear and definable blocks that would contest power in their own right. The support of an SSC or an Awdal region would tip the balance in one direction or another. An astute politician (such as Riyaale) can (and did) easily win the presidency by playing on, taking advantage of and employing such a power struggle to fulfill his own needs. When all three parties (or any new that may be formed) need all the support they can get, marginalisation becomes a luxury that nobody can afford. All that is needed are able politicians that can spot and make use of opportunities.

     

    Taleexi, rag reer SL oo dagaalka iyo muranka jecel meeshani way ka buuxan, saaxib. Markay cadha yar ku qabsato kuwaa ku ciil bax. Anigu nabaddoon ban ahay nin weyn na wan ahay. Hadaan wax kaa diido xooga kaftan iyo dicaayad ayaan cadhadaydi ku qariya, hanjabaad iyo maagis wakhti o ma hayo (unless ay khasab igu noqoto); marka, ceelkan aad had iyo goor iga hor qodaysid iga daa warya. Caadi iska dhig. ;)

    p.s.

    Che, Cumar Suliman was not trying to "close" his borders. :P

  4. Posted

    You know, for the past few days and after listening to the nonsensical wailings of women from Hargeisa and all the way to Garowe in regards to the current dispute, I have to admit that the sexist in me was whispering some unspeakable mischief in my ears and telling me how useless Somali women were. But then Val and Malika (though not to the same extent) come along and shut him totally up.

     

    At any rate, let me first clarify a couple of points to both. Val says that my analysis as to the reasons for this situation were not sufficient enough. I beg to differ of course. At no point did I address the reasons as to why we found ourselves here. My only comments are about what happens next and not what happened in the past. Furthermore, I am actually in FULL agreement with all that Val wrote there (and most of what Malika said). The only thing I would like to attract Val’s attention to is that the administration in SL has changed and that a new government is in place.

     

    Now, if we ignore the hyperbole about land grabbing, Siilaanyo being a warlord or all the other various nonsense and, instead, look at what this government achieved in the six months it has been in power we can clearly see that progress is actually being made. This is not about red carpets in Djibouti or Addis (though the symbolism has its own significance). This is about the increase in the salaries of civil servants, the payment of debts and the undertaking of countless projects. If the argument was about starting as they meant to go on, the facts today show that they started really well.

     

    Yes, the Diaspora and the business people are the ones that kept SL going and the government hardly did anything to improve the lot of its people. However, the changes that took place in the past six months show that this new government is taking an active role in improving things and using the money they receive from taxes or International aid to enhance the economic lives of all.

     

    On the International aid point itself, I would assume that most of it will come with conditions attached. For example, here is an extract from the British department for international development (after the visit of the SL president to the UK and that of the British minister to SL):

    British aid is making a real difference to the lives of the people of Somaliland and is helping to increase the progress on development within the region.

     

    In the last year in Somaliland, British aid has helped to get 39,000 more children into primary school; train over 300 nurses and midwives; and provided 11,500 people with short term employment opportunities which has helped to maintain roads, build classrooms and conserve land for farming.

     

    The UK Government is currently reviewing its programme in Somaliland and will seek to build on this progress over the next four years, with increased support to programmes that will boost health, education, employment, governance and security and humanitarian assistance.

     

    Working through partners in close cooperation with the Somaliland authorities, and other donors, these programmes will increase the level of staffing at health facilities by qualified health workers and professionals, from 5% to 40%; provide Measles, Polio and Tetanus vaccinations to over one million women and children; provide access to water and sanitation to over 100,000 people; and increase the number of pregnant women visiting Ante Natal Clinics from 15% to 40%; as well improving access to justice and economic opportunities.

     

    Following a visit to Somaliland this week - the first ever by a British Cabinet Minister - International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell announced that more must be done to improve conditions for the people on the ground if security is to improve and the country stopped from being a source of threat to the UK.

     

    The forthcoming review of all British aid programmes is expected to conclude that the UK will increase efforts to help those devastated by decades of fighting in Somalia, providing water, emergency nutrition, basic health care and the means to keep livestock alive for up to 500,000 people a year.

    Alongside this, action will be taken to offer men and women a longer-term alternative to violence and extremism, with up to 45,000 people helped into jobs and more done to establish stronger communities, more effective local government and rule of law.

    This will result in 340,000 more people getting jobs and better services because of British aid over the next four years, in addition to over 500,000 people a year who will benefit from emergency humanitarian assistance.

    New measures will target more support at women and girls in a country where one in ten die during childbearing years.

    Somalia has been devastated by almost two decades of conflict, with 1.4 million people having fled from their homes and 3.5 million living in extreme poverty.

    During his visit, Mitchell also announced that Britain will provide emergency aid in response to ongoing drought in Somalia after seeing first hand the effects of the current crisis.

    </O:p

  7. Posted

    Hosni Mubarak's speech was also awful but that did not stop some of his supporters from defending him to the last moment. The author there is splitting hairs. Had he been talking about Morroco or Algeria maybe people might have not understood the words but Libyans are not that hard to understand (much easier than those in the gulf if you ask me).

  8. Posted

    Sayid, dee you're just explaining what I've already addressed in my first post and explained later. Wax sheeg ninyaho.

     

    Duke, rise above it saaxib and talk sense. At the moment you are a mere bystander and therefore your input makes no difference either way. When your Imam activly joins the dispute I promise to be the first to seek your opinion. Haye dheh.

  10. Posted

    Sayid*Somal;697877 wrote:
    :D
    :D @ Ngonge's attempt of selling secessionism to the SSC

     

    and here I taught that you could sell rice to the Chinese - but you ended buying more rice from them
    :D

     

    There are three things that you need to consider in your selling of separatism (that is what you are selling - is it not?) to the SSC folks.

    1. They have rejected separatism out right
    2. The allure of your mantra - clan is everything

    The lack of what they see as an equal political participation

    What is said or done in anger does not matter (I already asked for a plan of action above).

    It indeed is and they have proved it by being with PL one day and against them the next. We just need to make it meet their clan interest.

    Perceptions can be changed.

     

    Duke,

    Adigu dont' worry yourself about this until your Imam activly joins the conflict. For if not, your opinion does not matter here at all. :D

     

    Ibti,

    Maxa kaa galay aa? Like the much missed Xaragow, they are my fellow citizens silly. Wax fahan.

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    Today, they are calling for Somali unity, which, I assume, is to say that they plan to wait for Somalia to sort itself out and then join it. However, what do they mean to do in the meantime? Sit about between SL and PL without any sign of improvement or progress? Declare their own “Mamul Goboleeyd” yet depend on those two entities (or Ethiopia) for their essential supplies? And how does the Somali unity idea work out when the clowns to the left of them and the jokers to the right both don’t recognise the TFG?

     

    The other day, sixteen ambassadors from different countries of the world visited Somaliland. A few weeks ago, the British Minister for International Development was strolling about in the streets of Hargeisa. Late last year, the president of SL was received with full state honours in both Djibouti and Addis. In spite of all of that, recognition may not be gained any time soon (but gained it will). However, the practical recognition that exists and the avalanche of economic, political and administrative support that SL is receiving right now is bound to have a positive effect on the lives of its residents.

     

    The declaration of independence at the start of this thread spoke about the pursuit of happiness. In my case and yours, this might involve a promotion, a new job, the purchase of a house, car or even the latest iPhone. It may involve us worrying about our children’s future and trying to enroll them in the best schools, colleges or universities. In short, it may mean that we are content with life and suffer from no great need. But what would the pursuit of happiness entail when looking at it through the eyes of a resident of Burco or Buuhoodle? And what is the difference between the two (other than the obvious clan angle)?

     

    Now let us be clear that the progress in SL will still continue with or without the SSC, it is after all the nature of the beast and the fact that the capital receiving all these dignitaries is Hargeisa and not LA. However, the progress and development will be even better with the inclusion of the SSC group. It means that the state will be free of unrest or conflict and can concentrate on making the lives of all its citizens better than what they are now.

     

    The SSC, of course, has many choices. It could wage all out war on SL and speed up the conclusion of this conflict (by winning or losing). It could rejoin PL and trust its fate to the unpredictable whims of the lovable Imam or it could keep things as they are today with lots of songs and hit-and-run attacks. The first choice will get them out of their predicament one way or another. The second choice is feasible but requires stronger stomachs and resolute minds (the Imam has that effect on people). The third choice (the one we are in now) is the worst of the lot for it is a pointless distraction that will keep the SSC people singing, fighting and seething with anger without any final results. Furthermore, the longer it goes on the less the early fervour will become and brighter minds will start to question the entire point, aim and goals of the struggle (worse still, internal cracks may start to appear). At the same time, SL (for that should be the main policy of Siilanyo) is likely to plough on and pour whatever international aid it receives into improving infrastructure, creating jobs and enriching the lives of people (especially those that are already in favour of SL or any that fallout with the SSC leadership). This is pure and simple politics and, because of the pursuit of happiness argument, it is also a tried and tested method; people the world over, want direction and a way to make their lives better. Yes, like the Egyptians, Libyans, Tunisians and even the SNM, they will demonstrate, revolt and come out to the streets in wild demonstrations but, at the end of it all, they will still want to see tangible results that add to the quality of their lives and improve their lot. The SSC leadership has to have a plan that goes beyond “SL ma rabno” or “Farole’s fara galin”. Having read the NSUM communiqués and followed the SSC’s declarations (not to mention the Garad’s various statements) I fail to see the actual existence of such a plan.

     

    Southern Somali has been cursed with leaders that cannot see beyond the ends of their own noses and an Islamic movement hell bent on war. The leaders have eternally been getting caught on pointless arguments and distractions or chasing short term goals and the Islamic movement insanely believes that everything could be achieved through the barrel of the gun. There are no signs that either side will see the light soon or even change their ways.

     

    PL too has been cursed with a mad mullah who insists on ruling with an iron fist and, as his actions through this wretched presidency of his have shown, is bound to bring the state to its knees with his endless and volatile fumbling.

     

    Once the dust settles on the SSC uprising and the calmer, forward looking minds begin to view the wreckage that is Somalia, whilst also noticing the progress that is taking place in SL and the increasing number of international states (and bodies) that are falling over themselves to aid it, I am sure sanity will prevail and our brethren from the SSC regions will happily rejoin the republic (unless Mudane Madaxweyne adeero Siilaanyo xafidahuallah goes and does something totally foolish, and with him being Somali, I would not discount that too).

     

    Anigu wan hadlay. Bal wax sheega.

  14. Posted

    As promised, I am about to share my thoughts on the SSC quandary and attempt to sell my vision to any wavering supporters of that movement. Alas, I am not sure of how to begin. Should I do it in the style of an average WardheerNews contributor and hit you with some popular historical quote such as:

     

    “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[72] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” (From Wiki).

    Or should I google some Somali poetry that may just hit the right spot? I am not really sure how to begin but begin I must. So here we go.

     

    The above quote is an extract from the American declaration of independence. It does not really relate to Somalis much but because it talks about universal rights, the pursuit of happiness and other general stuff, I would be truly surprised if most readers did not find something to meet with their approval in those words. I mischievously chose to put it there (with the sarcastic nod at Wardheer News) because I can just picture a supporter of SL reading those words and happily nodding to himself and saying “wale wa anagii iyo afweyne” or an SSC fan reading them and thinking “the Queen’s orphans are trying to imitate her great grandfather”. It may even be the case that a reader from Mogadishu would also read those words and sigh to himself about the lack of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

     

    Indeed, I expect all to agree with the part about self evident truths and, frankly, I did not have to use the American declaration of independence to argue this point. I could just as easily have used any of the various advices of random Somali mothers that go along the lines of “Shaqaysoo, cibadiiso iyo dadka amaan sii”. It is the point of life after all.

    So, let us wade into the deep end and talk directly about SSC. What are our brothers and sisters in that movement want? Is it not freedom, equality, development and a brighter future? How do they hope to achieve all of that though? I mean any casual follower of Somali politics would tell you that they have fallen out with the Imam, are vehemently opposed to SL and, though the majority of the people are with the SSC movement, there still remains a significant number who see their future with SL or PL.

     

    To start a fight is the easy part. To win it may be harder but is still an achievable goal. Right now, SSC are at this stage of a people’s development. They have had enough, they want to be in charge of their own affairs and they want to repel those they perceive as invaders (and collaborators) from their land. All these are sentiments that I have no problem with and actually respect (despite being on the receiving end). But, from my position in the argument, I don’t believe them to be enough for me to lose hope yet.

     

    SL, as many of its fervent supporters would nostalgically attest, has gone through a similar struggle. Where the SSC have Saado Cali singing them patriotic songs and playing the Vera Lynn role, SL too had their own memorable entertainers and songs. Yet, once the struggle was over, the songs and the entertainers were forgotten (save for the occasional mention when looking back at history). I would be surprised if many people under the age of thirty in today’s Somaliland would remember the lyrics to “f***sh wey tegeysaa..” or any of the other songs the triumphant supporters of the SNM used to sing. Likewise, I doubt many of Ms Cali’s songs will survive beyond the struggle itself. Similarly, the SNM itself disbanded once the initial goal was achieved and what took place next is there for all to see. This begs the question of what is going to happen with the SSC once their initial goal is achieved too?

     

     

    See below for more..

  15. Posted

    Che -Guevara;697723 wrote:
    NGONGE-Let's not use the word like truth when it comes to politics and war. Let's stick to facts. The only one Sland Government seemed to seduced is NGONGE. They have managed to put blinkers on. Again what are advantages SSC gain by joining Sland?

     

    N you are telling Sland was turning the other cheek in Kalshaale? Where have you been NGONGE? This is happens it's not your people that are being killed, displaced and humiliated.

    Like I said, I may as well write an entire new thread on the advantages. Marka taa meel inoo dhig.

    As for the Kalshaale story, I have no idea what you're talking about there. Displaced, killed and humiliated? I reckon the SSC would beg to differ.

  16. Posted

    Che -Guevara;697714 wrote:
    NGONGE-talking about socio-economic advantages?

     

    Sxb...What's condescending is the assumption that SSC are just discontent with the Sland Government and that they could win over the 'right' gestures. Have it occurred maybe they are not for secession? And that this is not power struggle between Puntland and Somaliland?

     

    Whether they are motivated by Qabyaalad or sense to duty to Somali nationalism, it's clear that they are not this project. Ignoring this fact and saying you could win with few candies is condescending and could well have bad consequence for everybody.

    I am well aware that SSC mistrust the SL government and deem the entire thing a clannish project. That's no problem, they can be won over in due time. The Somali nationalism issue can also be overcome. As for the "candies", I admit that they will play a big part but they will not be the only thing that will seduce the SSC crowd. The truth will, saaxib and when all the recent dust settles the truth will come out. Politics is all about how one uses such truths. When Farmajo lets them down, when the Imam shows himself to be nothing but hot air and when the SSC leadership prove that they can do nothing more than wage war whilst SL keeps turning the other cheek, the truth will be out saaxib. They will come and you will see it (I say it without any intention of being condescending or offensive).

  19. Posted

    A_Khadar;697670 wrote:
    NG is confussed. Adeer SSC is the people who is fighting against your militia in Kalshale. Go ask them whether they are SSC or not. If you believe ssc is Xaglatose and few diasporas, you wrong abti and this resistance is all about ssc. You can either use the clan names like I- or D or you can use the implied terms like (sl/snm) and ssc, the end of the day, there is no such a political thing over there, clan, clan, clan and your clan wants to subjugate their project to other clans wrongly and other clans are saying no abti, please have your sanity and stay your tuulos. If you adeer Silanyo wants peace, he knows the best way to acheive but he isn't ready yet.

    Heh. Don't take it to heart, saaxib. You may be right and I may be confused (as you claim). But I am a logical man that tries to ignore fleeting sentiments and take a punt at the likely chances of achieving a goal. Here, and despite your strong protestations, I am with the SL logic. After all, it was not long ago when the people that SSC claims to represent were die hard fans of PL and the magical H. Yet, later, they dropped out and became SSC (and shall remain so despite the Imam's latest found love for them). Now (and again, ignoring the sentiments), if I see people that only want the best for themselves and would go through the trouble of seeking it in PL, SL or even Farmaajo, I also see an opportunity to woo these people and sell the SL project to them.

     

    Che, there is indeed tension there and whatever I see will appear condescending, saaxib. But I stick to my belief that there is a chance until I'm shown otherwise. In fact, I'm going to write about my vision for the SSC people and the advantages they'll have with SL first thing tomorrow morning (I know you'll disagree with every word I'll write but that's ok, like Godane, you are not my target). :D

  20. Posted

    Che -Guevara;697497 wrote:
    ^The project depends on Xaaji Xunduf's repressed anger. Here he's fuming
    ;)

     

     

     

    NGONGE-Come on, it's not about politics . This is fanning qabiil venom. Let's be honest with each other and let's not forget at the end of day we are tribal society.

    Of course we are a tribal society and this could take a real ugly turn very soon. But I have faith in SL's patiance, common sense and political ability to see it through right to the end. I also don't believe those fanning the SSC trouble have much to go on (other than tribal sentiment). War anigu kibir iyo sheeko qabiil kama hadlayo. If this were the PL guys SL was trying to woo, I would not have had any hope. But SSC are still (despite all of Saado's songs) trying to find their place in the world and the best way to go forward (needless for me to remind you of their various changes of mind in the recent past). So, whilst keeping in mind that clan is everything, do you truly question my logic here?

     

    Malika, walaalo, as Marx would say: PL waa uuuf. Stick with me. :D

  22. Posted

    Thankful;697468 wrote:
    Well what family does Siilaanyo come from and the so-called "foreign minister"??

     

    So to answer you comment....they did!

    In that case, the clan is hoodwinking an amazing number of people and countries. Burcad-maskaxeed ayaan noqonay. Viva Siilaanyo! Would you admit it though? Adeer, waxa lagoo qaatay adigu ogolada SL in ay qaran tahay. The other option does not taste that nice nooh! :D

  23. Posted

    ElPunto;697370 wrote:
    ^It doesn't matter whether SSC was planning for war or not (though I will grant you that is my opinion too) the fact is occupation of a degaan is appropriate cause for war. And Somaliland clearly is in the wrong here. That is that point.

     

    I can't believe you're arguing about the semantics of land grabbing. Somalia sees the Somali people in Ethiopia as its people and the land as its land. If tomorrow they engaged in a conflict ala Somaliland and tried to occupy the place - Ethiopia and the whole world would see it as land grabbing. And rightly so. Come on!

     

    You can't win people over by invading them - The US tried that in Iraq remember? Riyaale was a more astute politician than Silanyo. He expanded his influence and territory through buying off pliant underlings. While I think that strategy is doomed to failure in the longterm I recognize its success in the short term as in the example of Las Anod.

     

    I keep telling you guys that SSC is not interested in you for your own benefit. Invest in your territory instead of wasting resources geeing up for war.

    Comparing Somaliland to America (though a compliment) is just crazy, saaxib. Comparing it to Somalis trying to claim land from Xabashis is every crazier. The people in this dispute have many blood links and shared culture, history, etc. What is deemed an invasion today, shall become a historic turning point in the life of the nation (one that includes SSC).

     

    A_Khadar;697378 wrote:
    GN,

     

    I am sure you won't agree with me if I say S/L clan has representatives in the TFG therefore they are not a country. I guess you can understand where I am heading with this. So it's not an argument to say few guys here and there we pay their Mirqaan are with us and therefore we are a country and all clans are with us.

     

    To come to terms, we need peace and to get that have your old mad man to take his militias and then call your clan for whatever nation name you desire, no one cares..

    I don't agree with comparing the guys in the TFG to those living in their own lands and actually have a say in their own affairs. Are you arguing that Xaabsade ALONE took over LA in 2007 without any help from his followers? Are you saying he is just one man and there are not countless others? Are you trying to tell me that your entire clan are united in this? Adeer dee run sheeg.

     

    Our "crazy old man" is in charge of the state and he will do whatever he thinks is the best for the future of SL. If or when he goes crazy and starts killing people for no reason, I promise to join whatever opposition group that fights him (including SSC but never the Imam's :D).

     

    Liqaye;697375 wrote:
    "Unless and until those others drop out, rebel or deny that fact SL shall remain a country"....isn't that what is happening?

    No it's not. A slight disagreement with SSC does not mean they fully drop out (not yet anyway).

     

    Gheelle.T;697434 wrote:
    NG, we shall talk in few days when things take a different direction. In the meantime, let Siilaanyo and his"mighty" army keep wining the hearts and minds of SSC locals with mortars..
    :)

    Heh. GT, I'm not sure how you decided to label the army as "mighty" or otherwise. They have not started any fights and we are yet to see if they are mighty or not. However, the next few days will not decide things. I'd say give it a year. Faroole will let SSC down (of that I am sure). The leadership of SSC can only milk the little hit & run attacks for so long but, eventually, they will have to come up with some results that keep the sentimental fires burning or the people will soon begin to get bored and the progress, advancement and (probably) recognition of SL will start looking sexier than the Imam on a charm offensive. Ma siyaasad ban ku barayna saaxib?

  24. Posted

    Dhinaca Weftigu waxay ka koobnayeen sidan:-

    1. Ethiopia: Amb. Negash Kibret

    2. IGAD Secretarial: Executive Secretary Ing. Mahboub Maalim

    3. Belgium: Amb. Gunter Sleewagen

    4. EU ( Djibouti): Frederic Roberts

    5. Finland: Amb. Leo Olsvirta

    6. France: Amb. Jean-Chirstophe Belliard

    7. Germany: Nichael Biontino

    8. Jaban: Amb. Hiroyuki Kishino

    9. Italy: Amb. Renzo Rosso - Alberto Vecchi

    10. Netherlands: Sjoerd Smit

    11. Norway: Amb. Odd-Inge Kvalheim

    12. Uk: John Marshall, Sean Cockburn

    13. Spain: Jose Eugenio Thovar Loxano

    14. Turkey: Amb. U. kenan Ipek- Elif Okutucu

    15. USA ( Bilat )Amb. Donald Booth

    16. Brasil: Amb. Isabel Cristina de Azvedo Heyvaert

     

    All these guys came to meet one clan baa la yedhi. :D

  25. Posted

    ^^ It was not the coming of Siilanyo, saaxib. If you were paying attention, I picked up the SL flag when Laas Caanood came back. I believe there is real hope that you and I can wave the same flag (I don't believe Duke can). Again, if you paid any attention you would have seen that I have never called the SSC 'nabadiids' or any such names (confused, YES but never anything insulting). As for SL being a country, I have to disagree with you there and say that it is (like I told GT, I tell things as they are not as you precieve them; SL has the one clan that you mention but it also has "representatives" from your clan and also includes the whole of Awdal, etc. Unless and until those others drop out, rebel or deny that fact SL shall remain a country).

     

    As for your question, I would prefer it if the army was not in that area and if the "wooing" took place in the airwaves and by other means instead. I would also prefer it if there were no SSC front. But what I prefer and what is taking place are not the same. We are here right now. The army is placed there and the only time I shall oppose it is if it goes on the attack (unless, of course, it is PL that it attacks). You are central to my SL'nimo, saaxib. Wax fahan.

     

    Sayid, as ever, I do a sterling job. :D

     

    ElPunto;697353 wrote:
    Cantrabaqash.com from Ngonge.

     

    1- Clans have degaans - everyone knows where the boundaries are ; even with degaans known - some people may trespass - this happens in Somalia - it is resolved thru the elders - withdrawal, compensation yada yada yada

     

    2- Kalshaale and the other places being fought over are SSC degaans - even with the signed agreement Somaliland forces did not pull out of these places - this precipatated the current fighting

     

    3- When the Somaliland army - and we know as you aptly put it the clan elements thereof - decides to 'close' a colonial border unrecognized by the other clans that reside there - you are necessarily engaging in land grabbing.

     

    4- I can't count the number of times you and others have been told the majority of the SSC folks want nothing to do with Somaliland and its secession agenda ; there seems to be a mental block there; who or what Xaabsade is supporting or says is as irrelevant as the people who came out in 'support' of Mubarak during Egypt's revolution

     

    5- If the Somaliland govt chooses to act on the fantasy of real support in SSC then they will get the same rude awakening as the dictators of the middle east.

     

    Quote of the day(supposed) - anonymous woman in Burco - ama kalshaale aada ama kayshelliga qata

    1- You didn't tell me anything new here.

    2- Do you really want to claim that SSC were not planning for war regardless of Kalshaale?

    3- Land grabbing means taking a land by force from it's original owners. At no point did SL try to do so. It recognises the people in these lands as its people and the land as their land.

    4- Keep on counting and stop the nonsense about Mubarak or Arabs. The Somali case is more fluid than that.

    5- SL realises that large elements in SSC are not in support of secession but is still in the process of winning them over. No fantasies involved, just good, solid old politics.

     

    The woman in Burco talks in riddles. :D