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"Beesha dheexe" is a fairy-tale just like the failed project of Somaliland (bad news for Oodweyne)

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it was always known, Gabiley Clan are long  lost Cagdheer*, they are not only match Dna (share Y ,same father, but share characteristics.

I did the test too, and posted here the result before ,

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Ducale   

It doesn't really matter what your dna is. Your Haplogroup will never have the same weight as your... Habar Hebel. Habar is recognised. It  can get you killed and it can save you. It can put you in office and Rally the troop/clan. 

Salaax, see if your dna result save you from the machete of the  oromos.

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Saalax   
4 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

it was always known, Gabiley Clan are long  lost Cagdheer*, they are not only match Dna (share Y ,same father, but share characteristics.

I did the test too, and posted here the result before ,

 

Can you imagine those jeegaan kids were raised to hate "F*q*ash" and wanlaweyne  all life their only to find out they are related to them but not to other northerners (Awdal and West Burco).  :D

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Oodweyne   

:D Aha, this is a new low angle of attack, I must say. But still It makes no blind bit of difference, really. After all,  even monkeys are alleged to be our "distant cousins" and are related to humans at least genetically. Hence, the issue is that of a political argument in the larger sense. And a cultural ones in the social sense.

As for the fact that, Beeshe-Dhexe may not blood-related as it was cracked up to be, well who knows who those succeeding generations have had co-mingled with within the Somali peninsula. And who really cares for that matter as as to who has been "adopted", along the way. It's a Somali tradition.

But still that is not the freaking point, is it?

In other words, the larger issue in which clan is based on is a cultural "construct", in which genetically, its "foundational genesis" may not be provable. But still it's no less of a valid dispositive argument on the face of it, even in the absence of genetically-proofed conclusion for its "inheritable solid line of descent".

For most social construct, like clan, like even nation-state, are at some level "artificial construct", that is far from "empirically test-able" proposition. So, I really don't see what the fuss in here is about. But I gather someone has a problem with Somaliland so they fetch this social DNA just to proof what, exactly?

And if such things they are looking for are conclusively prove-able for them on the back of this kind of mass-testing DNA, will it make any less solid the "attachment" the average Farax or the average Xaliimo of the folks of the Beeshe-Dhexe will feel today, tomorrow, and even in a thousand years from now on, to the very idea of being a member of the Beeshe-Dhexe?

Do you see how silly this is? And we are forced to debate folks who can't tell marginalia of the argument from the main thrust that is the central thesis of what Somaliland is about. Or what "glue-together" (culturally, historically) the very essence of the Beeshe-Dhexe.

In other words, this is the sort of argument I can see any sheegato worthy of their "impostor-ship" life (to coin a word there) could only come up with. but there is nothing else in here, I am afraid.  

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32 minutes ago, Oodweyne said:

 

As for the fact that, Beeshe-Dhexe may not blood-related as it was cracked up to be  

 

 

There is no "may" it is already proofed.  Daad aan isir wadagiin baad isku dhajisa.  Indeed beesha dheexe was a coalition formed longtime ago but it is not based on blood. Galbeedi is actually closer to you than Jeegaanta DNA wise. Do you now realize how silly it is trying to divide Somalis based on myths? Jeegaanta share same ancestry as the same Wanlaweyns and f*q*sh they wail about.  The subclade of the west Burco and Awdal community(T1a1ab2b) is not that old  that old man existed less than 6,000 years ago and their closest cousins are found in Kuwait (the Al Faraj banu malik tribe).

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Saalax said:

 

 

There is no "may" it is already proofed.  Daad aan isir wadagiin baad isku dhajisa.  Indeed beesha dheexe was a coalition formed longtime ago but it is not based on blood. Galbeedi is actually closer to you than Jeegaanta DNA wise. Do you now realize how silly it is trying to divide Somalis based on myths? Jeegaanta share same ancestry as the same Wanlaweyns and f*q*sh they wail about. 

 

Whatever, man! You have no idea actually what you are talking about. In other words, if Somaliland from historical perspective only consisted of few other clans other than the whole of the Beeshe-Dhexe, do you think I would have been less loyal to Somaliland as a result of it? 

You do know that there are folks of West Burco clan in the deep south of Somalia. Do you see me wanting them to join us in Somaliland?

Saaxiib, you really are illiterate (as I told you last night). Somaliland is a political argument deal with her on that basis. As for the this DNA stuff they prove nothing that will make it for me any less loyal to Somaliland. Or any less loyal to Beeshe-Dhexe (at least as historically understood it).

Do you see the point that I am making in here? Or are you  just another Che who needs the "kindergarten pictorial books" for him to understand anything worth understanding.     

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Just now, Oodweyne said:

Whatever, man! You have no idea actually what you are talking about. In other words, if Somaliland from historical perspective only consisted of few other clans other than the whole of the Beeshe-Dhexe, do you think I would have been less loyal to Somaliland as a result of it? you do know there are folks of West Burco in the deep south of Somalia, do you see me wanting to join us in Somaliland.

Saaxiib, you really are illiterate (as I told you last night). Somaliland is a political argument deal with her on that basis. As for the this DNA stuff they prove nothing that will make it for me any less loyal to Somaliland. Or any less loyal to Beeshe-Dhexe (at least as historically understood it). Do you see the point that I am making in here. Or are you  just another Che who needs the "kindergarten pictorial books" for him to understand anything worth understanding.     

 

 

Beesha dheexe is fake as DNA results show they are not even related for atleast 50,000 years.  So why lose sleep over and clutch to something that is fake? all the other Somalis are same to us (e1b1a). 

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Just now, Saalax said:

 

 

Beesha dheexe is fake as DNA results show they are not even related for atleast 50,000 years.  So why lose sleep over and clutch to something that is fake? all the other Somalis are same to us (e1b1a). 

Man. whatever, floats your boat, is fine with me.

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Just now, Oodweyne said:

Man. whatever, floats your boat, is fine with me.

 It is not what floats my boat but science saxiib. In this age there is no need to believe in fairytales people can easily know who you are related to blood-wise or not.

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8 minutes ago, Saalax said:

 It is not what floats my boat but science saxiib. In this age there is no need to believe in fairytales people can easily know who you are related to blood-wise or not.

Aha science, eh? Man, you really are something. In other words, a ninny like you who can't hack a decent living without being solely dependent of the welfare support from UK's tax-payers is telling me about what science proves.:D 

The irony wins a prize in here, I tell you. Man, you should look yourself in the mirror, at least from time to time. It will really help you to "notice" as to the low station in life you are waffling on from it. Particularly you should do that, just before you detain others with your gibberish. Anyway, I think we done here, mate.:P

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14 minutes ago, Oodweyne said:

Aha science, eh? Man, you really are something. In other words, a ninny like you who can't hack a decent living without being solely dependent of the welfare support from UK's tax-payers is telling me about what science proves.:D 

The irony wins a prize in here, I tell you. Man, you should look yourself in the mirror, at least from time to time. It will really help you to "notice" as to the low station in life you are waffling on from it. Particularly you should do that, just before you detain others with your gibberish. Anyway, I think we done here, mate.:P

 

How does it feel the nonsense you believed in all of your 50 years of a sad life busted in SOL? :D mar dambe duriiyaada iyo waxas yaan ka maqlin.  I have 0 tolerance for people who believe in delusions.

 

 

Y DNA of Jeegaanta

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Oodweyne   

^^^

Aha, the irony of it all. You of all people talking about "something being busted", when in fact every freaking post you make in here, you get "busted" wide open to a ridicule, contempt, and laughter from others.

And what is actually touchingly worse for you is that you basically not even aware of the fact that you argument will at the end of it proof to be your undoing, without others actually working over-time to make-short work of your argument in the first place.

Talk about being deaf and blind to the very ropes you are carrying in which others will hang you with it when you bring them to their attention. And you talk about others being busted. Man, as I said it, you really are something. :D

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kkk walaahi qofba qof ayaa ka adag  Saalax garbaasha ayuu kala daalay odaygan duqanimada ku saaqiday waxaan ka baqaa inuu habeenkii kugu soo qarwo ee iska dhaaf.

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18 minutes ago, cadnaan1 said:

kkk walaahi qofba qof ayaa ka adag  Saalax garbaasha ayuu kala daalay odaygan duqanimada ku saaqiday waxaan ka baqaa inuu habeenkii kugu soo qarwo ee iska dhaaf.

Now that the the proud representative of the "looters incorporated" are in here and in the house, it's best to keep one's wallets tightly in one's pocket (as it were). Keep counting (and keep re-counting it) all the silver-ware and spoons the house has it to its name.

And generally, keep the police emergency number to hand just in case we may need it while we are debating the loftier issue of the day.

And that is precisely so given the fact that some folks may actually come in here of SOL just to make a "looting killing" from the rest of us in here. Whilst, of course, we in turn are thinking that this is a "safe parish" in which grown-up-men could decide to "chin-wag" the day away in peace. So that is my advise to all those who are around here, folks.  

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Saalax   
24 minutes ago, cadnaan1 said:

kkk walaahi qofba qof ayaa ka adag  Saalax garbaasha ayuu kala daalay odaygan duqanimada ku saaqiday waxaan ka baqaa inuu habeenkii kugu soo qarwo ee iska dhaaf.

 

It is sad though. How can a 50 year old with kids and greying hair believe in fairytales even after being shown evidence?

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