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Farmaajo Asked Saudis to persuade UAE not to Create Military Base in Somaliland.

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Johnny B   

After all these years on the fora and still not any given topic gets a properly discussed.

 

"Farmaajo Asked Saudis to persuade UAE not to Create Military Base in Somaliland"

 

Questions that can raise are:

 

1: why does the UAE need a military base in our "country" of origin ?

likely answers are:

A: for its own strategic survival , if and when Iran makes a move.

B: It needs for the war in Yemen.

C: It needs for its investment in our sea-Ports.

 

Assume the article is true and B is the probable reason as to why that Arab country wants to have a military base in our "country" of origin.

 

Now, was it wise to ask the very country that is heading the coalition of countries of the war in Yemen , namely KSA?

 

discuss that for a change.

 

"our country" in this case = Somaliland ,(north west of Somalia or old British Somaliland if you must)

 

* To my understanding ,Gooni wants to see it so, but Oodweyne considers Gooni a foreigner, hence the derailment of the subject matter, and the airing of the contentious definition of "our country".

 

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Oodweyne   

^^^Johnny B,

 

I have been around debates long enough to know the difference between a genuine inquiries on one hand; and malignant and skewered agenda masquerading itself as opening of dialogue, on the other hand. In other words, you are, of course, entitled to make the blithe assumption, which in turn may even suggest to you, that, our Gooni, in here, is really after a genuine inquiries of the first principles sort. But, to me, "no such assumption" is likely to be what I will offer to whatever the likes of our Gooni gets up to say around here.

 

And the reason being, that, if for some "peculiar anthropogenic phenomenon" (that are as of yet unknown what caused it) were to produces a rain of "honey and milk" that has been reported to have descended as rain on Somaliland, the likes of our Gooni, will probably be seen around here, hoping giddily and with a laud voice, that such a unprecedented phenomenon to be harbinger of the doom he was always praying for Somaliland.

 

Or at any rate, he would be seen around here of SOL, chin-wagging about the possibility that, these honey-and-milk rain that has descended on Somaliland could create a social epidemic of wide-spread obesity on one hand, and deep socially observable diabetics across the nation on the other hand, which in turn could be said it was brought about by the heavy use of that "raining-honey" by the folks in Somaliland.

 

Hence, to you, or those who thinks like you, every discussion is honest attempt to deal with some issue at hand. While, on the other hand, I know for a fact that a man, like our Gooni in here, who is also a man who holds to this day that his Fascistic Uncle Afweyne was a first rank Somali patriot, and therefore all he wrought in the Somali Republic was essentially geared towards the notion of "preserving" of that Republic (even if the record says otherwise) is the not the sort of guy one can give the benefit of the doubt on any subject under consideration.

 

Particularly, such benefit of a doubt, that is so generously naive as to believe that his inquiries in regards what this deal between Somaliland and the UAE could mean for the welfare of Somaliland, has a genuine and a lofty underlying assumption, in which its discussion of it could only redound to the well-being and the interest of Somaliland. So that is that.

 

*************

 

As for your other larger inquiry in regard to this deal, I will say the following:

 

Firstly, this deal is to the larger interest of Somaliland, regardless of how much of a desperate yelps the likes of this Farmaajo fellow, keeps sounding it, as he goes around the capitals of the world, just so that he will find some one - anyone - out there who will listen to his special pleading against Somaliland.

 

Secondly, it was just a passing indication (if ever such thing was needed) of the "clueless-ness" of this Farmaajo fellow, when it comes knowing the geopolitical posture of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA), vis-a-vis that of the troubles in Yemen. And precisely, it was indication of how, although the rivalry that exist between the KSA and UAE exist at certain level in regards to many other aspects of their relationship, but still when it comes to how to deal what they consider the "Shia's encouraging strategical orbit" into the Arab's heartlands in Yemen they see the same objective.

 

And that will probably mean, Mr Farmaajo, made his play with KSA without knowing as to whether they will be of help to him or not. Or even if they see anything wrong with the idea of UAE using the port of Berbera (and its airport) to shore-up their coalition's war in Yemen.

 

Thirdly, in so far as Somaliland is concern, he couldn't have played a blinder of revealing his "political hand" early in the game. And by that I mean, he was by all account doing a good job in fobbing off people with his self-serving sermons about "Somali brotherhood". And in fact, many people who were hoping a "miracle of a savior" seems to have swallowed that guff from him, by hook, line, and sinker.

 

And yet what does he do in the "first diplomatic act" of his presidency? Well, of course, he goes to KSA and in effect begs them to talk to UAE in-order to sabotage Somaliland's interest. And he does that without even trying to use some "other method" of trying to persuade the leadership of Somaliland about the wrong turning they are taking, if he is convince that is the case. After all, you do remember that there was endless talks going on between Somalia and Somaliland.

 

Which means there is, at least officially, a channel of communication that is open between the two sides. And in that sense he could of at least try to use those talks to say to his counterparts in Somaliland that what they are doing in getting involve with this war in Yemen through the Berbera port was not wise, or even it's to detriment of the larger Somali welfare (Somaliland, very much included).

 

Of course, it could have been the case that Somaliland's leadership would have told him to mind his own business at the end of that sort of conversations. But that at least would have indicated (from his end) that he really is in the habit of walking the talk of upholding the alleged slogan of "Somali brotherhood", in which he never missed a day without sounding it off about it. So in effect, his recent action against Somaliland not only was unsuccessful. But it also indicated his "true political conviction", notwithstanding his "silly-come-easily-uttered" political slogans about how deeply he cares about Somalis welfare, including that of Somaliland.

 

Finally, from our perspective in Somaliland, this kind of action on his part actually safes us a long road of trying to guess or even attempting to decipher as to what he basically considers his political duty to be about. And in that sense, we are so grateful for this sort of "hasty act of revealing" his political and diplomatic hand in this amateurish way. And in this early first round of the game between Somalia against Somaliland, during his four years tenure in office.

 

So, all in all, there is nothing we are at the moment reproaching ourselves for it, particularly where Mr Farmaajo is concern. Other than to say now we know what our counter-moves will be made off, in-terms of countering to what he will be and will do in office. Particularly in so far as our national interest is concern. And for good measure, we now know as to what sort of diplomatic play-book we will be consulting with, as our manual, going forward. This is what this diplomatic new act on the part of Mr Farmaajo fellow has so far accomplished for us in Somaliland.

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YoniZ   

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After all these years on the fora and still not any given topic gets a properly discussed.

 

"Farmaajo Asked Saudis to persuade UAE not to Create Military Base in Somaliland"

 

Questions that can raise are:

 

1: why does the UAE need a military base in our "country" of origin ?

likely answers are:

A: for its own strategic survival , if and when Iran makes a move.

B: It needs for the war in Yemen.

C: It needs for its investment in our sea-Ports.

 

Assume the article is true and B is the probable reason as to why that Arab country wants to have a military base in our "country" of origin.

 

Now, was it wise to ask the very country that is heading the coalition of countries of the war in Yemen , namely KSA?

 

discuss that for a change.

 

"our country" in this case = Somaliland ,(north west of Somalia or old British Somaliland if you must)

 

* To my understanding ,Gooni wants to see it so, but Oodweyne considers Gooni a foreigner, hence the derailment of the subject matter, and the airing of the contentious definition of "our country".

 

Sxb, Sartu halka ay ka quruntay baad farta ku fiiqday.

 

Labdadan Oday ee Oodwayne iyo Gooni, Inta aysan madashan ku xiijin, SNM fanatisim & Kacaan glorifying cantarabaqash.

 

Waxay ku fiicnaan laheyd iswaydiinta suaalaha aad sheegatay ee kala ah:

1- Danta ay leeyihiin qoladan saldhiga lasiiyey.

2- Qoladan looga dacwooday amayba qeyb kayihiin qorshaha loo isticmaali doono saldhiga.

3- Berbera yaa xaq u leh inay ka hadlaan.

 

Jawaabtoda hadii hadii aan ku hormaro.

1- Dantu kama foga dagaalka ay cagaha kula jiraan. Walow hinaase jiboutina uusan kamarnayn.

 

2- Kan loo dacwooday, dacwadaas waxba kama duwana ayada oo dowlad afirkaan ay Germany uga dacwootay Austria.

 

3- Hadii arinta saldhiga Addis wafdi loogu diray howshaas ka dhaadhicaya, majirto wax ka reebaya qof Somali ah inuu kahadlo ama dood ka keeno arintaas saldhiga.

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Umalayn maayo in S African ama Rhodesian duqayn kagaysteen Hargeysa/Burco, balse taas macneheedu am'ahan in aan la duqayn.tan kale majirto meel intay Somali ku shirtay lagu heshiiyey aan dadka SNM ku abtirsada dhegta dhiigga u wada darno, ee waxay hayd daowlad Dictator ah.

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In yar oo aniga ah

Waxaan Siyaab Barre mucaarad ku noqday 84-kii

Anigoo wiil ah, waxaab arkay both SNM iyo SSDF. Waxaan marar badan isha isi saarnay madaxdii ladbaa qolooo joogay Hoteeladii Ras ee Dirirdewa. Marka faqash ma ahi.

Waxaan jeclaan lahaa in beesha SNM oo aan jecelahay joojiyaan waana xasuuqaydaan aan xadka lahayn.cid laysugu tagay amba loo heshiiyey MAJIRTO.kacaankii cidna labeen (dhay qabowday)

Uguma dhaashin.

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Barwaaqo   

CaanoA/G

 

Taariikhdaasi waa mid dhacday Xukunkii barigaa jirayna waxba ulama hadhin oo wuu isku dayey wax kasta oo uu nagu cidhib tiri lahaa- balse Alle uma ogolaan qorshihiisii ahaa inuu dhulka naga dhaxal wareejiyo; qoxootigii dhulkayaga deganaa iyo qabiilooyinkii aanu waligayo jaarka ahayn oo uu cadaawad na dhex dhigay kuwaasi oo iyaguna xasuuqa ka qayb qaatay! Maal iyo naf baanu huray ugu dambayntiina anaga ayaa guushii na raacday kuwii beenta loo sheegayna candhuuftoodii dib bay u liqeen. Inta dadka adiga oo kale ah leeyahay waxba laydinma yeelin walee cadaawadi hadhi mayso.

 

Joojin mayno ka hadalka dadkayagii lagu xasuuqay magacii dalkii saqiiray ee la odhan jiray Jamhuuriyada Somaliyeed ee aanu asaaskeeda qaybta ka ahayn.

 

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@Barwaaqo

@Inta dadka adiga oo kale ah leeyahay waxba laydinma yeelin walee cadaawadi hadhi mayso.

 

Qalad ha iga fahmin. Xasuuq naf & maalba leh ayaa laydiin gaystay.balse taaas macneheedu ma'ahan waa laydiin heshiiyey si laydiin xasuuqo.waa waxa ay dictators-ku sameeyaan.

 

 

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Tallaabo   

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@Barwaaqo

@Inta dadka adiga oo kale ah leeyahay waxba laydinma yeelin walee cadaawadi hadhi mayso.

 

Qalad ha iga fahmin. Xasuuq naf & maalba leh ayaa laydiin gaystay.balse taaas macneheedu ma'ahan waa laydiin heshiiyey si laydiin xasuuqo.waa waxa ay dictators-ku sameeyaan.

Jawaabta hadalkan khusaysa Mintid Farayare ayaa dhawaan af Ingiriisi kusoo qoray oo anigu wax intii uu yidhi dhaafsan kuma dari karo. Laakiin afkeena ayuunbaan ku turjumayaa.

Waxa aad tidhi "haddii aad tihiin beesha SNM ee la xasuuqay cidi idiinmay heshiin oo cidii idin laynaysan waxay ahayd dawlad". Jawaabtu waxa weeye haddii aan naloo heshiin oo kuwii na dilay aya ahaayeen kuwii hogaaminayay dawladii burburtay maxaydu u taageertaan danbiilayaasha marwalba oo qaar kamid ah maxkamadaha caalamka laga dacweeyo. Maxaydu usoo dhawaysataan gacan ku dhiiglayaasha dhexdiina ku nool sida Morgan oo aad xafladwalba ugu casuuntaan.

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Two different issues need to be separated regarding the issue of the Berbera leasing contracts.

 

1- Another government(Somalia) de-legitimizing Somaliland's elected representatives' legal right to enter into bilateral agreements with other sovereign nations. Can Mogadishu deny Hargeisa's right to enter into bilateral relations?

 

2- Somalilanders contesting/rejecting the merits of the deal (given the secretive nature of the agreement-the details of which haven't been made transparent to the public or opposition parties, the dangers it draws for Somaliland with powerful armed groups in the region such as the Houthis and Iranians, the danger of having a more advanced military force on local soil while Somaliland forces lack the ability to police these forces).

 

These are 2 significant, yet completely different issues. If we oppose the deal, we should be clear which one of the 2 arguments we are in alignment with. I say this only because many who oppose Somaliland's existence often use argument #2 to cloak their real objectives-the elimination of Somaliland.

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gooni   

marka waan idin salaamay akhyaarta sharafta leh

 

dadkiinaan aqoonta iyo siyaasadda ku xeel dheer waxaan weydiin lahaa

 

muxuu yahay sadhig ciidan oo wadan kale laga dhisto?

 

maxay tahay shaqada uu qabto?

 

maamulka meeshaas ka jira maku leeyahay laanta socdaalka ama maka war qabi karaa waxa soo gala iyo waxa ka baxa saldhigaas? mise?

 

bal nooga faa,iideeya waxa dan ah ama faa'iida ah oo dalka laga dhistay kasoo galo

 

mahadsanidin

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