Election Day in Iowa

[Illyria]

fair point and good humour. the operative term was 'predominantly';--)

See what you did there, appealing to my deeper compassion & charitable senses with the 'walaal' spin. good man.

[xabad]

Majority of Maryooley are socially Conservative but fiscally they are socialists, not even liberal.

 

How many times have i been regaled by the glorious Welfare state instituted by khalif Umar. They point to it as the utopia that naturally follows when Islamic rule is applied. Maalka Gaalada laga Ghaniimaysan doono and bayt ul maal will suffice for the needs of all, no believer will work.

 

It has a strong emotional pull as you can imagine.

[somalee]

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@xabad

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Majority of Maryooley are

socially Conservative

but fiscally they are socialists, not even liberal.

 

How many times have i been regaled by the glorious Welfare state instituted by khalif Umar. They point to it as the utopia that naturally follows when Islamic rule is applied.

Maalka Gaalada laga Ghaniimaysan doono and bayt ul maal will suffice for the needs of all, no believer will work.

 

It has a strong emotional pull as you can imagine.

This was wealth from other Muslims' zakat and yes if all Muslims were willing to pay their obligatory share, things would have been very different in the Muslim world. Did you get this crap from an anti-muslim website?

[xabad]

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@somalee

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This was wealth from other Muslims' zakat and yes if all Muslims were willing to pay their obligatory share, things would have been very different in the Muslim world. Did you get this crap from an anti-muslim website?

 

Zakat is not enough to sustain a whole population that wants to be on the dole, let's be real. Only way to get more wealth is plunder another society's wealth by declaring Jihad on them on some flimsy ground.

 

Let's not turn this into another Deen debate, Somalee watch this clip and get to me.

 

 

 

[galbeedi]

Yes. we are socially conservative and economically pro-business. Uneducated immigrants and refugees with large family members always need the help of government especially the early tear. Somalis were never guided or shown the best way to succeed in their new countries. Welfare and government housing was the easiest places to start , but nowadays that trend is diminishing especially in north America. In Alberta, Canada last January, I was invited to a Somali Forum where advocates were warning people about the downside of public project housings and the effects of living in bad neighborhoods.

 

Traditionally we are business oriented people. They may not be big, but there are more than 30 Somali owned businesses in this town. If you go to Hawala shops, Kenyans, Ugandans, Sudanis, Ethiopians and now Rowlands queue up at their shops. Also, traditionally We were never people who depended on government.

 

Anyway, do not bet on a socialist running America. Even in Canada those who campaigned on the left side must govern in the center. They young sentimentalists may enamor a progressive, but when you got stakes in life, business and taking care of family , you will wish to keep the money you are earning. You will prefer paying less taxes and keeping as much as possible. Look at Europe where unemployment is 11% percent. In socialist economy , there is no up ward mobility, especially for the young people. The American economy creates millions of jobs every decade and those with ambition and hard work will always get some of the slacks. The Military business, the energy industry and many others sectors of the economy needs a business oriented leader. Bush years of constant war, produced Obama , now the pendulum must swing back to the right, but it won't be the wacko bird Cruz. Clinton will govern on the right side of Obama.

 

I have a big argument about the contrast of these issues , but will leave it another day. If conservatives stop demonizing us, the Muslims, bring a sensible foreign policy, they could be our home, because we share a lot.

[somalee]

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@xabad

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<Zakat is not enough to sustain a whole population that wants to be on the dole, let's be real.

Only way to get more wealth is plunder another society's wealth by declaring Jihad on them on some flimsy ground.

 

Let's not turn this into another Deen debate, Somalee watch this clip and get to me.

 

You don't expect me to take you seriously with such statements, surely. Zakat can sustain the entire Muslim population if each and every Muslim was paying his/her dues. Take Somalis for example, what do you think will happen if businesses in Bakara market and other parts of xamar were paying their zakat, then Bosaso and Hargeysa and Djibouti etc etc. I can tell you for sure that if business people and or otherwise wealthy individuals in my own sub-clan all paid their zakat, there won't be a single poor person in my jufo. They won't be millionaires but it will certainly sustain them very well. I think you are underestimating things here. Let me watch the clip now and aan kugu soo war celiyo...

 

I stopped it halfway. Education is a right, not a privilege. Most of all, I don't understand how an underprivileged maryooley immigrant can have an argument against tuition-free public universities and colleges..and free healthcare. This is not a debate for this forum sxb. Forget about the very few of us who've had the privilege of a good education and decent jobs. The vast majority of Somalis in the US are poor. I think we are the poorest and least educated of all the African immigrants in the US. Read that link, if you please. It outlines Bernie's plans for tuition-free education.

 

https://berniesanders.com/issues/its-time-to-make-college-tuition-free-and-debt-free/

[xabad]

Education is a right, not a privilege.

^ Right on who ?

[xabad]

Populism and socialism bankrupt countries. Taas la soco, Somalee

 

There is no free lunch in this world, and anyone who promises freebies like Sanders should be laughed out of town. Someone has to pay, when you demand free things someone else has to be forced to pay. Forced charity is wrong.

 

College education is not all that apart from the STEM's, its valueless accreditation and a waste of time. Not to mention the debts.Employers have caught on to the fact College degrees are worthless.

 

Anyway check this article below.

 

http://www.cato-unbound.org/2008/10/06/charles-murray/down-four-year-college-degree

[Illyria]

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@xabad

said:</cite> ...but fiscally <b>they are socialists, not even liberal.</b> How many times have i been regaled by the glorious Welfare state instituted by khalif Umar.

Trouble is when one claims to be Somali by virtue of heredity, and knows little to naught, yet postulates his observations solely on generation 'Bide dhal', then we have a problem.

 

Nomads are traditionally libertarian, and not egaliterian, where self-sufficiency and autonomy are deep in their fabric. reliancy on the State is a new advent and perhaps more popular with their offspring in the West, and therefore conventionally, Somalis are the antithesis of your description.

 

I share Galbeedi observations on immigrant and refugee communities. And to add, just visit Minneapolis or London, and you will see how Somalis are almost self-sufficient unlike other recent immigrant communities where they strive to provide services from A-Z unless inhibited by lack of investment capital (major) or unfamiliar legal framework or bureaucratic systems.