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UK plans to gift money, training to Somaliland and Pakistan to fight terror

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LONDON - The British government is proposing to set aside around 4.8 million pounds ($7.7 million) to enhance counterterrorism capabilities in Pakistan and northern Somalia.

 

Foreign Secretary William Hague detailed the plans to donate equipment and fund training and mentoring programs in written statements to lawmakers on Tuesday.

 

He said the government wants to give 3.5 million pounds to support Pakistan's police and military to counter the threat of improvised explosive devices.

 

Separate assistance to the semiautonomous Somali region of Somaliland would amount to around 1.3 million pounds and go toward helping aviation and border authorities counter terrorist threats and toward building police capabilities.

 

The assistance will be approved as long as no lawmakers object before Dec. 5.

 

 

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Tallaabo   

Maashaallah. Now Somaliland is being considered alongside major countries like Pakistan when the UK is deliberating its aid and foreign policy. I hope other countries follow suit.

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Khayr   

What right or business do they have in these muslim countries?

Sounds like a waste of money to bribe people.

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Oodweyne   

^^^Mooge,

 

If you are happy with name, we in turn are happy with the deeds. Furthermore, the Brits, who are after all the people given out these money knows perfectly well the "real name" of those recipient of their Counter-Terrorism( CT) effort. Hence, it's as if you are really reaching to make a point that is empty of meaning.

 

In other words, the Brits (due to the sensibilities of the UN charter) may say we are given money to Northern Somalia, so that Hassan Sheikh and Co. will not start crying at the UN forum about the perfidious Brits "dividing-up" Somali republic, as their four-fathers have done.

 

But, at the end of the day, everyone knows (most certainly the Brits knows) that this is a "semantics play" intended to cover (or insulate) the British against any accusation of encouraging internal division within the Somali Republic, by the ever enfeeble outfit that is based in Mogadishu, which, surprisingly passes itself off as a government of Somalia. :D

 

All in all, see to it to learn the "double-language" of diplomacy and how it's especially useful in situation like this. :D

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The fact the money goes to Somaliland and not Somalia and the training's go to the Somaliland anti terrorism forces. Tells you a few things about the reality on the ground, but than again the Koonfurians do not much care about on the realities on the ground. But more on the diplomatic formal correctness Foreign nations use,psychologically it gives the koonfurians hope. So who are we to take away that hope.

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SOMALILAND and PAKISTAN ... that is what is being officially reported. Of course, you are entitled to change the name to suit your desired satisfaction .. :D

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On SOL, I most revel in the "Somaliland just built half a road," or "Somaliland minister just shook hands with Britain's Foreign Minister's assistant's ex-girlfriend" type of threads. We understand that there are some of you plenty cadaan sycophants who celebrate each time a white man rents a hotel in Hargeisa. But have a bit of pride mates.

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Baashi   

Oodweyne;986864 wrote:
^^^
Mooge
,

 

But, at the end of the day, everyone knows (most certainly the Brits knows) that this is a
"semantics play"
intended to cover (or insulate) the British against any accusation of encouraging internal division within the Somali Republic, by the ever enfeeble outfit that is based in Mogadishu, which, surprisingly passes itself off as a government of Somalia.
:D

 

All in all, see to it to learn the "double-language" of diplomacy and how it's especially useful in situation like this.
:D

True. "Northern Somalia" is euphemism for Separatist enclave. It is a doublespeak as you correctly pointed out. Ahem:) Awoowe isn't what the UK government doing just that -- encouraging internal division within Somali Republic? Ain't this the same old colonial deception employed to promote some subjects to butler status whilst condemning others to harsh labor? You know the drill :)

 

Awoowe any power that have vested interest in that corner would break Somalis into small junks that's easier to subdue and manage. Not out of kindness but out of self interest. In all fairness they Somalis are the ones doing all the dividing. Brits on thier part are encouraging thier former colony to keep the faith.

 

Awoowe innagu aan isu danbeynee bal Kulmiye la tali oo waxaad tiraahdaa si wanaagsan u akhriya heshiisyada kheyraadka gobolka lagu bixinayo inta aydaan qallinka ku duugin :)

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dhugfe   

Oodweyne;986864 wrote:
^^^
Mooge
,

 

If you are happy with name, we in turn are happy with the deeds. Furthermore, the Brits, who are after all the people given out these money knows perfectly well the "real name" of those recipient of their Counter-Terrorism( CT) effort. Hence, it's as if you are really reaching to make a point that is empty of meaning.

 

In other words, the Brits (due to the sensibilities of the UN charter) may say we are given money to Northern Somalia, so that Hassan Sheikh and Co. will not start crying at the UN forum about the perfidious Brits "dividing-up" Somali republic, as their four-fathers have done.

 

But, at the end of the day, everyone knows (most certainly the Brits knows) that this is a
"semantics play"
intended to cover (or insulate) the British against any accusation of encouraging internal division within the Somali Republic, by the ever enfeeble outfit that is based in Mogadishu, which, surprisingly passes itself off as a government of Somalia.
:D

 

All in all, see to it to learn the "double-language" of diplomacy and how it's especially useful in situation like this.
:D

+1

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Oodweyne   

Originally posted by Baashi
,

 

True. "Northern Somalia" is euphemism for Separatist enclave. It is a doublespeak as you correctly pointed out. Ahem Awoowe isn't what the UK government doing just that -- encouraging internal division within Somali Republic?
Ain't this the same old colonial deception employed to promote some subjects to butler status whilst condemning others to harsh labor?
You know the drill

 

Awoowe any power that have vested interest in that corner would break Somalis into small junks that's easier to subdue and manage. Not out of kindness but out of self interest. In all fairness they Somalis are the ones doing all the dividing. Brits on thier part are encouraging thier former colony to keep the faith.

 

Awoowe innagu aan isu danbeynee bal Kulmiye la tali oo waxaad tiraahdaa si wanaagsan u akhriya heshiisyada kheyraadka gobolka lagu bixinayo inta aydaan qallinka ku duugin

Baashi,... :D :D

 

I see you are still trying to work that useless “analogy” of “plantation slave vis-à-vis house slave” into your argument against Somaliland. I thought we have put to bed that analogy some time ago; least of all, as you may like to remember, there is more “immediate candidate” within the Somali peninsula who fit the that description like “tight-ring-to-a-fat-finger” more so than Somaliland, at least. :D

 

But, since, you are so determined not to see that realty, and are ever keener to look at the “speck of sawdust” in your brother's eye while paying no attention at all to the “plank in your own eye”; then let’s just say and agree that not much will be gain in prodding you along in this line of discussion, particularly as it concerns as to what manner of “moral ills” Somaliland could be accused of in comparison to other entities in the wider Somali peninsula. So that is that.

 

As for the Brits, it’s true they are after their own interests, and it would be a foolish man who believes otherwise. Similarly, Somaliland’s interest is also known, hence, the art of diplomacy – at least from both side – is to see whether alignment of convenience can be arranged, which in turn satisfy both parties.

 

In other words, Brits delivers some “Counter-Terrorism" (CT) equipment and money as well as well training to our forces; and in return, we give them heads-up in-terms of whoever passes through our ports and departure terminals on their way to UK, particularly if they have foreign passports and were known to have travelled from any Al-Shabaab-infested territory within wider Somali peninsula. It’s strictly the business of: “You scratch my back and I shall scratch yours” kind of understanding.

 

Furthermore, in-terms of the larger British engagement towards Somaliland, well, as you know by now the Brits are playing a game of “do no harm and do no detraction”. Which in default sense means, they will not do any “harm” to the argument of Hassan Sheikh’s government against Somaliland, which in turn is concern with the “territorial integrity” of the old Somali Republic; while at same time, making sure they in turn do not do any “detraction” against Somaliland’s argument to her independence.

 

This is what is known as “policy of double insurance”, which means, ensure that the folks in Mogadishu do not have any case against you, the Brits, when it comes to what you do for Somaliland; while at the same time, ensuring, that nothing the Brits should do could ever be against the national aspiration and the political objective of Somaliland at the same time.

 

And, that of course, is a fine line to trod. But if any nation in the world could pull off this kind of “delicate dance”, it surely is the ever perfidious Brits, who could waltz away the night till the small hours, while playing both sides of the line of this argument.

 

After all, the British foreign office, as befitting of an old imperial brain-trust of the kind that had governed the world over for at least two and half centuries, would have no discernable difficulties in playing the “competing Somalis” like a fiddle to their heart’s contents. So that is that.

 

As for the "Oil contract” and what have you, I think, there is no major concern so far (or at least that we know of). However, when and if “Oil” is found, then, I agree with you we really need to up-grade our future negotiations. After all, as befits this sort of “deal” the intention is to do the prospecting side of the thing first, while mindful that any future deal will have to be negotiated on the back of any worth-while commercial quantities of this kind that may have been found by that time.

 

And, if worse comes to worse, then, once we know there is a “commercial level” of oil then the subsequent deals with other oil companies and with other blocks in mind, could be made more favourably towards you; since, by that time the “presence of Oil” in your territory is a "known fact" and the future licence (as well as the concession you would have to make to any new oil company) will have to reflect that reality.

 

So, I think, the most important thing is to make a “break-through” of finding the “black gold” then, the subsequent deals and concession to other companies towards other blocks can be “tweaked” a bit more favourably amenable to oneself than we currently are able to do for obvious reasons

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SomaliPhilosopher;987051 wrote:
and you talk about 'independence'...

These people are joking. A cruel joke at that.

 

I think Oodweyne's SOL picture is emblematic of how Somalilanders see themselves. KKKK

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