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Apophis   

The hypocrites have spoken. They say NEP/NFD “waa dhul Somali", but when the tribe living in this “dhul Somali" come to Somalia they're invaders with no rights upon the place. A case of mine is mine and yours is ours.

 

Ungrateful bunch.

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Apophis   

QansaxMeygaag;979398 wrote:
^^

Bro how can you talk of house negro and field negro when Muslims, including Somalis, were killed in Westgate?

 

Isn't it enough that one is a Muslim, wasn't Bilaal, a "negro" in your estimation, a Muslim, one of the best?

 

Where is this false ethnic pride coming from? How are Somalis superior to other Africans? Even if the myth of Arab origin were true, in what objective ways are Arabs better than Africans or any other race?

I would like to see a reply to this well constructed challenge.

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nuune   

OK, speaking of HOSTS, I want to go mental with figures here, and these figures can be verified with UN data, Kenya budgetary office, and many other sources.

 

The figures is as far as I know from 2010, maybe they increased after that as Kenya demanded more since their incursion into Somalia.

 

 

- Dadaab camps: Kenya gets $227 million annually from UN, EU, USA, Australia, the figures are high now, this was 2010

 

- Out of the $500 million allocated for Somalis in Dadaab camps and those close to the border each year, $422 million of that is spent in Nairobi, most notable, Westgate and the likes such as casinos, expensive cars etc.

 

- Kenya many times in the past few months demanded that Somalis in the Dadaab camps should go back to their country, a clear tactic to demand more millions, they got it.

 

- Kenya wants the Dadaab camps to be there, it is what feeds them, and keeps their bread and their stock exchange going.

 

- Aside from that, Islii alone generates $400 million dollars of tax for Nairobi City Council, Islii alone that is.

 

- The truth is, Kenya cannot live and survive without Somalis, and Somalis here, I mean, Somalis from Somalia.

 

- The local Kenyan people will tell you that it is through the Somalis that they got jobs and their lives improved, ask them!

 

- Aside from that, check the figures your own, bombard the UN websites and EU websites as well as Kenya government websites with information about aid and so on, you will get it, the sources are many for me to list them here, do your homework.

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nuune;979413 wrote:
OK, speaking of HOSTS, I want to go mental with figures here, and these figures can be verified with UN data, Kenya budgetary office, and many other sources.

 

The figures is as far as I know from 2010, maybe they increased after that as Kenya demanded more since their incursion into Somalia.

 

 

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Dadaab camps:
Kenya gets $227 million annually from UN, EU, USA, Australia, the figures are high now, this was 2010

 

- Out of the $500 million allocated for Somalis in Dadaab camps and those close to the border each year, $422 million of that is spent in Nairobi, most notable, Westgate and the likes such as casinos, expensive cars etc.

 

- Kenya many times in the past few months demanded that Somalis in the Dadaab camps should go back to their country, a clear tactic to demand more millions, they got it.

 

- Kenya wants the Dadaab camps to be there, it is what feeds them, and keeps their bread and their stock exchange going.

 

- Aside from that, Islii alone generates $400 million dollars of tax for Nairobi City Council, Islii alone that is.

 

- The truth is, Kenya cannot live and survive without Somalis, and Somalis here, I mean, Somalis from Somalia.

 

- The local Kenyan people will tell you that it is through the Somalis that they got jobs and their lives improved, ask them!

 

- Aside from that, check the figures your own, bombard the UN websites and EU websites as well as Kenya government websites with information about aid and so on, you will get it, the sources are many for me to list them here, do your homework.

 

So Kenya is taking but giving nothing in return?

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nuune   

^^ That si right, not only they take what UN, EU, USA, AUSTRALIA are giving the Somali people, but they are also taking the hard earned currency of Somalis in the form of bribery, or by illegally raiding Somali owned business, the bottom line, Kenya relies on Somalis, and they have done pretty well thanks to the chaos in Somalia, the Kenya government loves the chaos to continue, and to make sure it continues they invaded Somalia!

 

 

- Do you know how much Kenya is getting by just being barricaded around Kismaayo Airport alone, let me tell you, I raided Amisom data budgetery system, Kenya gets a whooping $80 million by just being walking around at Kismaayo Airport.

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You're moving the goal post sxb; if we are counting AMISOM budget, then Uganda is way ahead compared to anything Kenya got.

 

Let's go back to Kenya hosting Somali citizens (leave the NFD Somalis); Kenya has offered them peace, a place to raise their families, start businesses, a door to the West. Yes they receive Western monies to host this people but it's not nearly enough pay compared to what the country is offering.

 

Kenya isn't forcing any Somali citizen to come to its country, they come volunterily and they're free to return home in the same manner.

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^ So you agree with me that Kenya is the receiving end and not giving anything to Somalis but only taking what was allocated to Somalis.

 

- I never talked abut NFD, and Kenya invasion was a way to continue the milking system.

 

- What peace did Kenya gave to Somalis, lets only talk about Dadaab camps where they rape women and jail anyone they think they can get money.

 

- Lets talk about the peace they provided to Garissa, and or Islii for later, Dadaab camps, what peace

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nuune, you are more mature than getting lured into this nonsense of blaming Kenya for the economic and security pitfalls of Somalia's two decade civil war.

 

Kenya has helped Somali people when they needed the most. Kenya has become the second if not the first home for millions of Somalis since 1991. If we go by donor money math, Jabbuuti would be as guilty in misappropriating Somali aid money and so would be Yemen and Ethiopia.

 

What happened in Westgate was a clear terrorism intended to inflict maximum pain. It is Alshabaan doing what they do best kill and maim with no assessable purpose. Lets leave it at that awoowe

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Dadka qaar mar mar waa is yeel yeelaan baa is dhahaa. If Kenya is so bad, why do Somalis(from Somalia) still invest and call it home? And to top it all, they wants us to believe the largest economy in East Africa with $75 Bill GDP relies on Somali businesses (drop in a ocean) and some hand outs to Somalia. Waryaada, ka shaqaysiiya bahashan yar madaxa ku jirta. ;)

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Gheelle.T;979427 wrote:
Dadka qaar mar mar waa is yeel yeelaan baa is dhahaa. If Kenya is so bad, why do Somalis(from Somalia) still invest and call it home? And to top it all, they wants us to believe the largest economy in East Africa with $75 Bill GDP relies on Somali businesses (drop in a ocean) and some hand outs to Somalia. Waryaada, ka shaqaysiiya bahashan yar madaxa ku jirta.
;)

:D :D

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nuune;979417 wrote:
^ So you agree with me that Kenya is the receiving end and not giving anything to Somalis but only taking what was allocated to somalis.

 

- I never talked abut NFD, and Kenya invasion was a way to continue the milking system.

 

- What peace did Kenya gave to Somalis, lets only talk about Dadaab camps where they rape women and jail anyone they think they can get money.

 

- Lets talk about the peace they provided to Garissa, and or Islii for later, Dadaab camps, what peace

Kenya invaded no one. It was invited by the Sharif government and the locals in its operational zone fully supported their anti-haram offensive. And no I don't agree with your assertion that Kenya takes and gives nothing, read my post.

 

2) show me evidence of systematic rape committed by Kenyan security forces; Somalis come to dadaab escaping rape from their own forces.

 

3) And there is peace, a lot more peace than they find in their homeland. Read my earlier reply incase you missed it.

 

4) Kenya is a poor, corruption plagued African country; judge it from an African standard, not Western and you'll see it's one of the best place for a Somali refugee, with all the problems such a person brings, in comparison to other refugees who have/are in this country.

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tutu   

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;979389 wrote:
Why aan u soo xasuustay qudbadii Malcolm Ekis ee ahaa 'house negro' iyo 'field negro'. Especially this part:

 

"
When the master would be sick, the house Negro identified himself so much with his master he'd say, "What's the matter boss, we sick?" His master's pain was his pain. And it hurt him more for his master to be sick than for him to be sick himself. When the house started burning down, that type of Negro would fight harder to put the master's house out than the master himself would
."

 

Someone is feeling more painful than Kiikuuyaha himself in this thread

Ain't that a typical response from a shallow mind, resorting to 'he is a slave'. A common defense mechanism from people of your end when told constructive truth. Had you had an iota of decency, you would be ashamed of blaming or calling others names when you, the Somali, is stuck in stone-age era for the last two decades and still counting!

 

 

'Hosts' kulahaa. As far as I know xirooyinka Dhadhaab dhul Soomaaliyeed waaye.
dadka ku xareysana Qaramada Midoobay quudiso. The only 'host' one can speak is In Islii and that axsaan kuma imaan iyo baryo. Muruqooda ku kasbadeen Soomaalida, xoolahooda ku heystaan. Dadna waxba kama sugaayaan, siiba Kiikuuyo masuqmaasuq iyo tuugnimo ku nool.

Does this even warrant a response? Writing such garbage at this age of enlightenment! FYI why didn't you go to Ethiopia instead? And why do you still mill around Eastleigh if you harbor such hatred towards Kenya?

 

PS; I know you're fuming about what I wrote on your other thread. You should reply to that instead of rubbishing a thread that's meant to showcase Kenyan Somalis' solidarity with their Kenyan brethren.

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nuune;979413 wrote:
OK, speaking of HOSTS, I want to go mental with figures here, and these figures can be verified with UN data, Kenya budgetary office, and many other sources.

 

The figures is as far as I know from 2010, maybe they increased after that as Kenya demanded more since their incursion into Somalia.

 

 

-
Dadaab camps:
Kenya gets $227 million annually from UN, EU, USA, Australia, the figures are high now, this was 2010

Did you know that thousands come to Dadaab every day; mark you, voluntarily! And from murder and rape from their own kin, sad isn't it? The money given to Kenya is a common token given to countries that hosts refugees. FYI Kenya hosts refugees from Eritria, Sudan, Congo, Rwanda, Burundi etc. as well.

 

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Out of the $500 million allocated for Somalis in Dadaab camps and those close to the border each year, $422 million of that is spent in Nairobi, most notable, Westgate and the likes such as casinos, expensive cars etc

And you blame this on Kenya? Isn't this the intricate culture of NGOs everywhere? Kenya doesn't regulate UN agencies. Could you please provide me your source regarding how 422 out of 500 million dollars is spent on non-issues as I am particularly interested in such kind of info.

 

- Kenya many times in the past few months demanded that Somalis in the Dadaab camps should go back to their country, a clear tactic to demand more millions, they got it.

Aren't you another sensationalist? This was due to insecurity.

 

- Kenya wants the Dadaab camps to be there, it is what feeds them, and keeps their bread and their stock exchange going

What Kenya gets is peanuts compared to the burden it endures in hosting these refugees.

 

- Aside from that, Islii alone generates $400 million dollars of tax for Nairobi City Council, Islii alone that is.

Source please. No time for tabloids!

 

- The truth is, Kenya cannot live and survive without Somalis, and Somalis here, I mean, Somalis from Somalia.

How did you come to this logic? How much of Somalis' input constitutes the overall economy of the country?

 

- The local Kenyan people will tell you that it is through the Somalis that they got jobs and their lives improved, ask them!

True. The maids and the carpenters are native Kenyans, though inhumanly treated. Somalia have realised how educated and productive Kenyan natives are to the extent Kenyans today almost entirely manage the hospitality section in Somalia. So you see, not only is Kenya letting you settle and raise your kids in their own lands unlike Ethiopia and Muslim lands such as Saudi Arabia, but is also helping you in the restoration and re-building of your country. Shouldn't you be grateful, ya Soomaal?

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nuune;979417 wrote:

 

- What peace did Kenya gave to Somalis, lets only talk about Dadaab camps
where they rape women
and jail anyone they think they can get money.

I just could not overlook the irony and hypocrisy in what you wrote! If these women were raped and suffered under their own men, do you blame a foreigner taking advantage of them? Isn't it your responsibility to protect your house than accusing others of looting when you leave it unguarded?

 

Honestly if all Somalis from Somalia think as portrayed by several in this thread, then there is no hope for Somalia. War idinka dib isku fiiriya instead of badmouthing dakii idiin gurmaday markii aad liidateen. Meesha foolxumada leh ey maanta Somalia iyo caruurteedi iyo dumarkeedi ey fadhiyaan adiga ayaa keenay ee sidaasi ulasoco. Waa iga talo

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