SAYID MAX'ED CABDULLE XASAN: Was he a Mujahid Shahiid??

[The Zack]

Chimera;685254 wrote:

That's not collaborating, that's a smart tactic in warfare where you are enabled to replenish your ranks and rearm your military. Keep it in persepective; the British launched four major military expeditions against the Dervish , which they repulsed, and remember that one such

British expedition saw the conquest of Ethiopia

and the death of its ruler Tewedros II (if the British wanted to colonize Ethiopia, they could have easily done so then). The Sayyid simply used this treaty to import weapons through Illig, which is why a few years later a revitalised Dervish force was back on the scene.

 

He however never paid tribute, never allowed any of his troops to assist either the British, Italians or the Ethiopians, hence he can't be a collaborator. Also your comparison with Al-Shabaab is a fallacy. The Dervish are legendary for having had a Pan-Somalist dream, the Shabab have an Al-Qaeda agenda, the Dervish were funded by local Somalis who believed in their cause, the Shabab are funded by wealthy Saudi devils, The Dervish did not stone victims, unlike the Shabab. The Dervish were all-inclusive with members from all major clans and they had no problems co-operating with other Somali entities, Al-Shabaab sees everything as non-muslim Somalis and muslim Somalis. The Dervish fought their enemies far away from civilians in the open plains and bushes, on the other hand the Shabab throw mortars in residential areas and inspire backlashes from the Barbaric foreigners, which is responsible for the death of thousands of civilians. The Dervish left behind a rich architectural legacy, the Shabab till this day have not constructed a single architectural marvel.

 

Apples & Oranges.

 

To the deluded Xaaji Xunjuf, the Dervish were far from finished, they would build one of Africa's largest Fortress Complexes in Somalia, and many more across the Horn, they were respected worldwide for their resistance against European powers, they had representatives in Berlin and Istanbul and were recognised by these empires as a country in East Africa, and were a regional power to be reckoned with, Whether its forcing the British for the first time in their empire's history to retreat to small coastal enclaves, to establishing schools across the South, or Dervish troops going to Yemen to assist the Ottoman Pasha. The Sayyid despite dominating the O-gaden managed to entice the future King of Ethiopia to become a muslim, he made plans with the Germans who would recognise any territory he were to conquer in East Africa. He was creating a strong Somali State, ten years before Atta Turk would in Turkey, but the British for the first time on African soil employed aeroplanes, which saw the collapse of the Dervish State.

 

This still wasn't the end of the Sayyid, he was regrouping and would have returned to re-establish the movement if he had not fallen ill to influenza. Nevertheless he was never captured and therefore spared the humiliation of being a captive like the great Omar Mukthar of Libya, who was paraded around like a piece of toy.

This sums it up! It also sets the record straight, I got nothing to add to that.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Chimera there are Millions of sources that tell you that dervishes had foreign allies such as the ottoman Empire , And today Alshabaab has Arab Allies, they had foreign fighters like sunusi sudanis , the Alshabaab has foreign fighters from pakistan. Now u can claim they were pan Somalism but in their are poems they always refer them selfs as anauguna darawishti saalixyadanu ahayn kuwi saancadalaha sawrta ugu ridayey.

[Polanyi]

Chimera, is full of it today................

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The dervishes just like the shabaab of today they had a international agenda. Muhammad abdulla hassan even composed a poem saying

 

(mar hadaan wayey calan lay nashiro tan iyo nairobi )

 

How is this different from alshabaab threatening to capture adis ababa or nairobi

[Polanyi]

And his Spritual Sheikh/Leader was a Sudani in Mecca. Somaliweyn,gul.kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.

[AYOUB]

He however never paid tribute

, never allowed any of his troops to assist either the British, Italians or the Ethiopians,

hence he can't be a collaborator. Also your comparison with Al-Shabaab is a fallacy. The Dervish are legendary for having had a Pan-Somalist dream, the Shabab have an Al-Qaeda agenda,

the Dervish were funded by local Somalis who believed in their cause, the Shabab are funded by wealthy Saudi devils

, The Dervish did not stone victims, unlike the Shabab.

The Dervish were all-inclusive with members from all major clans and they had no problems co-operating with other Somali entities,

Al-Shabaab sees everything as non-muslim Somalis and muslim Somalis.

The Dervish fought their enemies far away from civilians in the open plains and bushes, on the other hand the Shabab throw mortars in residential areas and inspire backlashes from the Barbaric foreigners

, which is responsible for the death of thousands of civilians. The

Dervish left behind a rich architectural legacy,

the Shabab till this day have not constructed a single architectural marvel.

Thanks for being the only person who tried to directly responded to the points I've raised, however slightly.

 

You need to do your research on the subject especially origins of the Saalixiyya movement and the connection between M C Xassan and Sheikh Muxammed Saalax. You can start by watching the little clip I posted on page 1 of this thread.

 

If you compare the Dervishes to crimes to Alshaababs', the Dervishes come across as more barbaric of the two. The Dervishes might have not have have launched mortars into civilian areas but they threw people off cliffs to their death in what is today's Puntland. They might not have stoned people to death (not to my knowledge anyway) but they did slaughter innocent men, women and children even in what is today called Kilil5.

 

M C Xassan got a lot back from foreign powers. If the Dervishes got all their funding from Somalis as you claim, why did they have to resort to their notorious camel raiding?

 

As for for M C Xassan's ties with Ethio monarchs, if he did what did today he would have been called a warlord. He used to get arms from them and that's why Haile Salasie considered him an Ethiopian hero and looked after his children.

 

The "rich architectural legacy" he left behind were great but that too was done with the help of Germans who had their own rival political agenda to the other Europeans in the Horn at the time.

[Mr. Somalia]

^

Stuff iyo mijin qaad-ah!

[NGONGE]

^^ War ka dhix bax. These two make for interesting reading.

[Mr. Somalia]

^

Kontan jir aan weli af soomaliga baran baa tahay ee bal luqada isku day inaad saxdid.

 

What the buck is, "war ka dhix bax"?

[AYOUB]

^ Leave "Mr" Somalia alone, after all - and "he" would agree with me - M C Xassan did more than question the manhood of the "Mr"s from his necks of Pirateland.

 

 

laters Inshallah...

[Mr. Somalia]

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And so this, I assume, contrasts with you, who's ancestor's evident habarhood was confirmed and fully certified by the late Sayyid, eh?

 

Ayoub, historical facts are SUCH pesky and annoying little things, aren't they?

[NGONGE]

Mr. Somalia;685443 wrote:

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Kontan jir aan weli af soomaliga baran baa tahay ee bal luqada isku day inaad saxdid.

 

What the buck is, "war ka dhix bax"?

For someone that speaks it well you should be able to work it out without help, mise you're thick?

[Mr. Somalia]

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Ngonge--I won't waste time indulging your nonsense; however, I will delight in wasting time pointing out what a joke you are. Even though an elderly man such as yourselves should know his own mother-tongue(talk about being thick, eh!) without any excuses, it is still never too late to learn...And NO! wax fahan and dee naga daaya will not suffice.

[NGONGE]

Mr. Somalia;685488 wrote:

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Ngonge

--I won't waste time indulging your nonsense; however, I will delight in wasting time pointing out what a joke you are. Even though an elderly man such as yourselves should know his own mother-tongue(talk about being thick, eh!) without any excuses, it is still never too late to learn...And NO!

wax fahan

and

dee naga daaya

will not suffice.

No. No. Waste time, adeer. Waste time.

[Taleexi]

Interesting stuff.