Armstrong Posted December 4, 2003 ^^ Taqwa? Someone done a disappearing act huh ! Welcome back and Salam Calaykum to you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captivating_SouL Posted December 4, 2003 Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (Radhiyallaahu Anhu) reported Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) as saying, 'It is not permitted for a Muslim woman to make a journey of a night unless accompanied by a Mahram.' These rulings differ from those that pertain to acts of worship, since acts of worship are connected to the benefits of the Hereafter and our direct relationship with Allah. Such matters are generally not discernable to the human intellect. Many great scholars have tried to determine the wisdom behind why we do certain things in prayer and in pilgrimage - and quite often they have failed and said: "This is purely a matter that we must accept on faith. Allah knows best about it." The ruling that a woman may not travel without her husband or a male escort from her immediate family (a mahram) falls under the first category of rulings. We can appreciate the reason for the prohibition. When we understand that the reason for this prohibition is the fear for her sanctity and honor and the fear that she might be taken advantage of or raped, then we know that the issue is one that needs to be weighed in light of the benefits and harm present in a given situation. Therefore, we have the opinion in Islamic Law that it is permissible for a woman to travel without a mahram when she is reasonably assured of her safety or when traveling poses no more danger for her than staying at home . The latter situation is often the case in non-Muslim countries where walking down her own street can be more dangerous for her and full of temptation that sitting on board an airplane. The environment of an airplane is quite often safer and more wholesome than that of the neighborhood in which she lives. This hadîth shows us that it is permissible for a woman to travel unescorted if the road is safe. Someone might argue that the statement of the Prophet (peace be upon him) is merely reporting that such a thing would one day take place, not that it is permissible. However, this argument is weak. This statement is made in a context of praising Islam and showing its future ascendancy. Therefore, it must be assumed that what is being used to indicate such praise is permissible in and of itself. Al-Bâjî, in al-Muntaqâ, writes: "Perhaps what some of our scholars have said (regarding prohibition) refers only to cases where the woman is alone or with a small group. As for the great caravans and the secure major thoroughfares, they are to me no different than the places of residence that are filled with markets and merchants. In such cases, her safety is secured without the presence of a mahram or female companions. This opinion has been related to us from al-Awzâ`î." The great jurists Mâlik and al`Awzâ'î - and also al-Shâfi`î in his more prevalent opinion - rule that a mahram escort is not a condition for a woman to make her obligatory pilgrimage. The only condition is that she will be safe on the journey. Al-Shâfî'î says: "Safety can be achieved by her being chaperoned by her husband or her mahram, or by the company of other trustworthy women." Permissibility is even more certain when a woman cannot find a mahram (A NEW CONVERT, OR INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS NO RELATIVES, HUSBAND)and her best interests are to be secured by her traveling. Permissibility is indisputable in cases where travel becomes a necessity for her, on account of the principle in Islamic Law that necessity makes unlawful things permissible . This is why the scholars have permitted a woman to travel unescorted to emigrate from a non-Muslim country to a Muslim one. In some situations, they even declare such a journey to be obligatory upon her. AS INDICATED IN THE ABOVE TEXT, WHICH I FOUND FROM COLLOBRATIVE ONLINE SEARCH, I BELIEVE THAT, THE SAYING REMAINDS TRUE " THAT MUSLIM WOMEN SHOULD HAVE A MEHRAM" 1. FOR HER WELL PROTECTION! 2. GET RID OF SLURRING EYES ETC. BUT THERE IS CONTEXT WITHIN THAT INFORMATION WHICH ALSO MAKES IT CLEAR, THAT IF A WOMEN IS SAVE WITH WHICH EVER SURROUNDINGS, SITUATION SHE'S IN THAT ITS PERMISSABLE. AS A MUSLIM, I HAVE NO OPINIONS OR SAYING IN ALLAH'S ORDERS. AND AS FAR AS MISS OPINIONATED GOES, I BELIEVE SHE WAS NEITHER SAYING SHE'S AGAINST COMPELETELY BUT PERHAPS THERE ARE OTHER SAYINGS, HADITH, SURRAH'S WHICH PERMIT WOMEN TO TRAVEL. BECAUSE, I PERSONALLY, HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD OF ANY MUSLIM WOMEN WHICH REFUSES TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY,COUNTRY,CONTINENT BECAUSE SHE HAD NO MEHRAM AROUND? (apart from Haji-Saudia Arabia. "for starters, they wont even allow you into the country without a man")AND AS INDICATION TO THAT, MANY OF US SISTERS WILL EASILY FORGET WHEN GIVEN THE OPPORUNITY TO GO FORIGN COUNTRIES(ALL EXPENSES PAID). AS GOOD OF MUSLIMS AS WE LIKE TO CALL OURSELVES, ITS NOT SOMETHING WE PRACTICE, AND BUT STAYS IN THE BACK OF OUR HEADS. WITH THAT SAID... Allah knows best. And may the peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaabir Posted December 5, 2003 Originally posted by Opinionated: If you are mildly suggesting that I am not a muslim simply because I don't see it your way....then I feel sorry for you. So, let me shut up and follow everything I am told so I can be a muslim in your eyes. Acuuudu bilaaah min al shytaan al rajiiim.. walaahi I feel bad for this girl, qof sidaan danbii ku indha cad waligaay ma arag.. Ilaaahay ha ku hadaaeyu adiga ayo intii lunsaan.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taqwa Posted December 5, 2003 WA alaikum Salam Wr Wb and Thank You Walaal. Ya Mujahid Good to see you akhii. P.S. Ameen Darman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuCkY Posted December 5, 2003 Thnx to aLL who shed some LIght on the issue-for cLarifying the whoLe mahram thang. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality Check Posted December 6, 2003 Taqwa, Thank you for telling me what I should be doing. But God forbid someone else has a different view from you. Even the "beloved" 4 scholars had different opinions on different matters. As for me taking my name literally..I made the name up 2 years go, it is only people like you who concentrate more on the name than on the statements..... Darman, Ha iga acuudu bilaysan walaal because I have not committed a sin. Dont be mad cuz I didnt want to talk to you Somalis :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pebbles Posted December 6, 2003 lol@opinated, g'4 u gurl. You took debating to a whole different level, it has surpassed being fruitless, keep on disagreeing with all of them, till the sun stops rising again, and we are ressurected... Even when Allah asks you about it, keep on disagreeing with them all gurl... cause your far more knowledgeable than any of them, lets not forget more :cool: yup thats you! just out of curiousity aside from your sketchy unrationalist theories... in islam there is such a thing as called daleel, which as of now, I haven't read from any of ur posts.. care to unlighten us with ur daleel, o mighty one? :confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rahima Posted December 6, 2003 I don’t mean to come out sounding rude, but at times when it comes to Islam frankness is necessary especially when one is denying a part of Islam, therefore here I go. If you are mildly suggesting that I am not a muslim simply because I don't see it your way....then I feel sorry for you. It is not my way, but the way of the blessed prophet Muxammad s.c.w and the way of OUR creator Allah s.w.t. And I was not suggesting that you are not Muslim, I was merely stating the Islamic point of view on such an incidence as is agreed upon by all Muslim scholars. But God forbid someone else has a different view from you. Even the "beloved" 4 scholars had different opinions on different matters. You are misunderstanding the islamic stance on opinions sister. First of all, the four scholars of Islam (I presume you are referring to four scholars of the four main schools of thought) did not differ on such clear and evident matters but rather the smaller issues and usually the technicalities surrounding them rather than their existence in Islam. Second of all, these are scholars, heirs to the prophets who do not express opinions based on whims and human thought (for Islam is far greater than that) but rather on daleel (proof) from the correct sources and followed strict guidelines in coming to these decisions. I ask you with all due respect, aside from just having an opinion, what have you based your conclusion on ? Maybe then, we could all understand one another . At least if you expressed that you had heard this from someone knowledgeable or had read it somewhere then we could elucidate the matter and come to an understanding, but rather all you are doing is sticking to this notion of “I have a right to express my opinions and that is that, you can’t all force me…” Sister, I don’t believe anyone here is disagreeing with you having the right to express your opinion, but as a Muslim you cannot do so on matters established by Allahs apostle. Are you saying that Rasullah did not speak to maxrams and did not sanction the rule? Also, do you not know that we are nothing like the scholars and cannot reach such a caliber? Do you not know that when a scholar comes to a correct conclusion on Islamic issue, he/she receives two rewards from Allah (of course folded over many times from Allah) and even when he/she comes to an incorrect conclusion, they still receive one reward from Allah? When people like you and I speak incorrectly of Islam, we will not receive any reward from Allah rather we are liable to having evil deeds recorded on our records for we are not in a position to do so. Dearest sister in Islam, there is something great at stake here; it is your faith, your Iman, your Islam. Do you not see the severity of the issue? Do you not understanding that it is far important than just opinions? This is just the internet, I do not know you nor do you I, therefore basically of course what I think of you is irrelevant , so like I said before do not take it personally and see it rather as views of people who care for you as their sister and who want to save you from that accursed shaytan as he tries to sway us from the religion (and I’m sure succeeds on countless occasions each day). I have not committed a sin With all due respect, you have sister and it is best that you repent from it for Allah is oft forgiving and Most merciful. May He forgive us all for our short comings, for we all have short comings and all commit sins. Anything which I have said which is correct is from Allah, and anything which is incorrect is from myself and shaytan so may Allah forgive me. Wa bilaahi tawfiiq (and Success is with Allah). w/salaam. Inshallah if things continue to go on this rocky road, this will be my last post for i believe all that needs to be said has been said and anymore bickering will not benefit anyone rather just satisfy the devil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blessed Posted December 7, 2003 ^^^^Bless your sweet heart. I wish more ppl adopted your methadology and clarified their comments with making takfeer on the sister. Bottom line ppl... 'Man yahdi Allahu falaa mudilalah.... ' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaabir Posted December 7, 2003 Originally posted by Rahima: Inshallah if things continue to go on this rocky road, this will be my last post for i believe all that needs to be said has been said and anymore bickering will not benefit anyone rather just satisfy the devil. [/QB] Nicely said sister Rahima, Jazaaki laaah khayr… I hope she takes your truthful advice and rebent to allah… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rudy-Diiriye Posted December 7, 2003 read this this thread! i think, we shall we should repent....this remainds me of the concept kids incharge of an ice-cream shop! :confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaabir Posted December 7, 2003 Originally posted by rudy: read this this thread! i think, we shall we should repent....this remainds me of the concept kids incharge of an ice-cream shop! :confused: Saxib I don’t know when u are going to grow the brains to comprehend sophisticated threads Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captivating_SouL Posted December 7, 2003 Originally posted by Darman: Acuuudu bilaaah min al shytaan al rajiiim.. walaahi I feel bad for this girl, qof sidaan danbii ku indha cad waligaay ma arag.. Ilaaahay ha ku hadaaeyu adiga ayo intii lunsaan..TOWARDS OPINIONATED [/QB] Saxib I don’t know when u are going to grow the brains to comprehend sophisticated threads...TOWARDS RUDY Darman, what happen to your realistic rational feedbacks? (EVEYRONE) Personally, if i may intrude in...this whole thread is getting out of hand. Obviously, if things cant be settled with rationality and sincere forhead in helping each other...it sure isnt going to be solved over disrespecting each others and having a hatred opinions of one another. So brother's and sisters,....lets keep this in the ground and step over it...noo need for this non-sense. People have views whether you disagree with em or you agree with em. Its between 'em' and the creator.. Cuz am tired of coming in here, seeing my beloved brothers and sistah at each other's throat..it aint right...we're muslims and islam is perfect, allah is our creator, the quran is our guide. So lets union under that. Life will surely go on.. Salam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality Check Posted December 7, 2003 Rahima, I want to thank you in two accounts: one, for trying to "save" me and two, for telling me that I have committed a sin! I have to make one thing clear here, since I see some of you taking my postings out of context. Lets start over...here is what I said: 1) I disagree with the mahram idea. Sue me! I will forever fry in hell because I don't want men escorting me everywhere I go. Now, you can say I am an insignificant human that will never be at the same level as the local shiekh, but I do know one thing...that Allah (s.a.w) gave me a head to use and a Koran to read. Because I choose not to have a mahram, My deen is questioned, my character is attacked and my screen name is overly analyzed by S.O.L.ers who have it in for me for no damn reason. Because I "claim" to be a muslim, I don't have to believe every half-baked information other people who are supposedly more knowledgeable give me. I still have to do my own damn research. Excuse me for being a critical thinker because I believe in my faith so much. But you are not the only self-righteous person I have crossed paths with..nor do I think you will be the last. With that said, your comments did not faze me, just made me realize that some people do not do their OWN research and will follow popular belief. I do have a right to express my opinion just as you have thoroughly expressed yours. However, do you see me questioning or even being concerned about your faith, your deen and your Islam? Do you see me coming on the internet telling people to repent because they have sinned to the nth degree? Are you God or something, how do you know if someone committed a sin or not...thats not for us to even judge. This is supposed to be the Islam thread. That means people discuss different issues and different views. But I completely forgot this was a Somali website, and home to one of the most judgemental, narrow-minded folks out there. Sorry to ruin Y'alls day...but as long as this website is up..I will continue to input on issues! Repent, ha! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaabir Posted December 8, 2003 Originally posted by Captivating_SouL: Darman, what happen to your realistic rational feedbacks? Yes sister Captivating soul, I am known for my realistic and rationalized feedbacks towards issues presented in SOL, but I am also known for humiliating and shattering those who violate Allah’s sanctities and try to indirectly criticize our beloved deen in a violent and acutely hostile manner. Opinionated Walaashiis.. looks like you fell prey to your egotism due to an utter ignorance, you basically view the all of the SOL nomads who replied on this thread thus far with contempt and consider their views as something superfluous and worthless, but obviously you are oblivious (or pretending to be) of the fact that your opinions towards Maxram have no basis or Daliil. You see people who’s eyesight is weak use eyeglasses to see better, but there are no glasses to compensate for those who have weakness of intellectual vision “like yourself”. To overcome that problem, I suggest that you learn more about islam and resort to an analytic examination of your attitude. Just carefully and vigilantly distinguish your true capacities from deceptive and harmful tendencies. One of the renowned SOL nomads (not sure whom it was) was telling us here in SOL about how she eye witnessed tow Malaysian students she knew get ran over to death by a car in their way back home from Taraawiix?!! Have you ever thought that could happen to you? With the exception that you are mouthing off words that like these >>> Originally posted by Opinionated: Repent, ha! [/QB] and Originally posted by Opinionated: I am not alien to islam and I still think this mahram Idea is a buncha crock. Alaaahum Ajcaal aakhir kalamanaa Laa Ilaaha Ila alaaah Maxamdaan Rasululah.. alaahum ya muthabit al quloob thabit qalbi cala diinik.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
