The Somali Social Unity Party

[The Resistance Movement]

Hello,

 

I don't really know whether this board is the right place for this message but does anyone have any indepth information on the SSUP? I've checked their official site but there isn't really indepth info and the few good sources are written in Somalia

 

So if anyone has any articles or any other info related to the SSUP please share-english preferably!

 

 

Thanks.

[Haddad]

It's a party whose ideology is based on Karl Marx's theories of socialism. It receives some limited support from a country (or a few) whose system is based on socialism. In short, it's a party whose platform is based on secularism. Like many similar parties that sprouted in the West (especially during/after the formation of the current transitional government), it will achieve little or nothing, because it has no representation or base support in Somalia. How can it achieve anything when it's not even a spectator of the playing field of Somalia? Plus, it has little or no grasp of the realities in Somalia, because its members have been living in a different reality for more than a decade. The solution to Somalia's troubles will come from within, i.e. Somalis who live in Somalia.

[The Resistance Movement]

Haddad,

 

 

It's a party whose ideology is based on Karl Marx's theories of socialism.

From the info on their own site it begs to differ.In fact there is not single mention of marxism in there site and no connections to marxist political and non-political organisations. So I doubt your theory here.

 

The S.S.U.P. main structure for there party is the principles of dialogue, discussion, power-sharing, equality, justice, freedom of expression and the development of the prestige of the Somali nation among the familiy of nations without infringing on their cultural values.

 

Marxism is not influenced by culture as culture differentiates individuals from each other and state e.g. what the current Somalia is right at the moment.

 

 

it will achieve little or nothing, because it has no representation or base support in Somalia.

There are few reasons why this it. The lack of resources available in Somalia makes it impossible for the S.S.U.P to set up its service e.g. the security & stabiliy of Somalia.

 

Secondly at the moment there is no support perhaps one cay say for ANY political organisation whether S.S.U.P. or not because the people in Somalia have little or no access to the servies if provided due to the current condition.

 

If there was some sense of securtiy perhaps the S.S.U.P and other organisations who are not influenced by qabil and tribalism and whatnot could have already set up their offices and the people of Somalia may have already educated and familiarized themselves with the organisations and support one or two.

 

 

The solution to Somalia's troubles will come from within, i.e. Somalis who live in Somalia.

Political and international pressure with military invasion can sort out Somalia by night. I don't see why we should clindge on the theory that if Somalia is going to be changed it will come from within. The people that live within Somalia could not have sorted themselves out over the past 30+ years and I certianly don't expect so either.

 

To sit and wait for a couple of oldies who still haven't grasped the idea that death brings nothing don't deserve to be waited for.

[Haddad]

Originally posted by The Resistance Movement:

In fact there is not single mention of marxism in there site and no connections to marxist political and non-political organisations. So I doubt your theory here.

It's not my theory here. The party's ideology is based on Karl Marx's theories of socialism. Karl Marx is the father of socialism. SSUP's middle name is Social from Socialism.

The S.S.U.P. main structure for there party is

the principles of dialogue, discussion, power-sharing, equality, justice, freedom of expression and the development of the prestige of the Somali nation among the familiy of nations without infringing on their cultural values.

Bright and shining main structure, but not practical, because Socialism is an Eastern European ideology that worked a little bit for some periods.

S.S.U.P and other organisations who are not influenced by qabil and tribalism and whatnot

S.S.U.P, like most (if not all) Somali organizations, is a family or clan-based organization. Such parties mirror the reality on the ground.

Political and international pressure with military invasion can sort out Somalia by night.

The only remaining superpower, with the help of others, tried that and failed. You didn't know?

[Haddad]

Furthermore, Socialdemokraterna, SSUP's parent party and sponsor, explains the roots of its ideology:

 

The ideology of Social Democracy has several different roots. The basic values can be expressed in the slogans of the French revolution: freedom, equality, brotherhood. These in their turn can be traced to the idea of the equal value of all men.

 

The ideology of the new labour movement was, however, not only a question of values, it was based on an analysis of society: a model which could be used to explain why injustices had arisen. In its basic form this analysis was formed by Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx and it was a mixture of the philosophy of history, economics and sociology. Different lines of thought within the political belief expressed in the idea of socialism – an expression which can be highly misleading since the different lines of thought differed in very marked ways – have later on developed this model of thought, adding to it or drawing from it.

 

One of the main points in the Marxist model is the materialistic view of history. What is meant by this, to express it simply, is that it is the development of the forces of production, (technology and the organisation of labour), which determine the possible development of society, (â€the social superstructureâ€). This led to the conclusion that the realisation of the goals of socialism required basic changes in the structure of the economy: only when the means of production were controlled in the interests of the many who worked in industry, and not in the interests of private profit on the part of a few owners of capital, would mankind be able to achieve freedom and equality.

 

Source; page 5.

[The Resistance Movement]

Haddad,

 

 

So if the S.S.U.P, as you mentioned is a socialist group it does nessaerly mean their theory (socialism) should be confined to Marxism and what Marxism stood for.Having said that I'm not sure how one should define socialism either, given that people with a great number of views describe themselves as socialists.

 

From Wikipedia Socialism is defined as 'a system in which the government is in charged of most of the economic, political and social aspects of a country: socialism is an idea based on equality''.

 

If, and I say if because I need to read more, the S.S.U.P. claimed to a socialist then it lives up to the definition given. So equality and the right ownership of everything in the country to the state is a possible structure for Somalia.

 

We have had anarchism and religiouis-based ruling and we all know and can see what the end result is so perhaps Somalia needs a new ideaology that does not govern on people's background information but rather on how we can work as whole for one another and for the state.It may lead to communism but that different theory that Somalia is not ready for and we can only discuss further on -if you like.

 

 

^^^The future perhaps ?

[Paragon]

Haddad, these are your own assumptions, could they be?

[Haddad]

Originally posted by The Resistance Movement:

If, and I say if because I need to read more, the S.S.U.P. claimed to a socialist then it lives up to the definition given. So equality and the right ownership of everything in the country to the state is a possible structure for Somalia.

Somalia has underwent a socialist and Marxist-Leninist systems; it's nothing new to it. The only thing new is; those failed systems are in reinvention mode.

 

We have had anarchism and religiouis-based ruling

Somalia hasn't had a religiouis-based ruling, at least since the day it was colonized. Before that, religiouis-based ruling was the only successful system that has worked for the longest time in the history of Somalia.

 

Originally posted by Guhaad:

Haddad, these are your own assumptions, could they be?

You're assuming that?

[Coloow]

Assalamu calaykum,

Do you mean "the party" that "operates" from Sweden?

 

If that is the case, it is one of the so-called "förening" (association)established to benefit from the generous handouts of sweden. It is "based" in a relatively small town which is also home to a refugee camp and where many somalis have settled.

 

I saw on somaliweyn once a picture of "the leaders" who posed with the swedish prime minister and a junior minister of the foreign office.

 

To many somalis outside Scandnavia, posing and shaking hands with a PM or a minister could be viewed as a big deal- but political leaders in sweden are not distanced from those they represnt- and you often run into a minister at shops, train stations, subway etc.

 

Political parties are given funds if they make to parliament- if, however, the party is a local one- associated with a bigger party like the social democrats, you get some public funds from the municipal, county province and various NGOs.

 

To conclude, the SSP is just another one of those Jaaliyad (förening)- jaaliyad entrepreneurs that are common in sweden !

[The Resistance Movement]

I'm not familiar with the structure of the Swedish gov but you seem to know a bit.Are you from Sweden?

 

Do you actually know where S.S.U.P. base is if so could you optain some pictures?

 

Thanks.

[Paragon]

Haddad, I asked whether your analysis of this party was an assumption, or whether you know the party and its founders personally. It was a question not another assumption.

[Haddad]

Originally posted by Guhaad:

I asked whether your analysis of this party was an assumption

Most of the time, I in advance state when an analysis of mine is an assumption. So, the answer is no, because I haven't in advance stated it so.

[Coloow]

The resistance movement, yes, I live in sweden and I am very familiar with swedish politics, culture economy etc.

 

The party is based in a town called Katerina Holm- not far from the birthplace of the swedish prime minister.

 

Check this

 

http://www.ssup.org/Carin_ssup.htm

[Coloow]

http://www.ssup.org/Carin_ssup.htm

[Castro]

http://www.ssup.org/Carin_ssup.htm

The site doesn't say much. I'm interested to learn what these people are up to. Socialism is great. Secularism is good too. Somalis are already secular, we just need to admit it more.