RUINOUS MOGADISHU - ANOTHER US DEBACLE

[Wisdom_Seeker]

By Jama Mohamed Ghalib

 

Tuesday, April 24, 2007

 

 

 

As anticipated, catastrophic consequences of human suffering of the recent war of invasion of Somalia sanctioned by the United States of America have been tremendously unfolding. Pathetic news casts continue to emanate from the Somali capital, Mogadishu, by the hour and numerous accounts of these have already been written by Somali scholars and non-Somali writers. All Somali managed cyber-cafes and many other international websites contain a lot of these accounts, as well as stimulating poems of land mark values. A great deal of constructive debate and analyses are abounded. I have read with keen interest many of these written accounts including pertinent articles by Prof. Abdi Ismail Samatar, one of which contains some concrete proposals for a new transitional structural arrangements. And also a PINR article lately prepared by Dr. Michael Weinstein whose reporting on this subject I often concur with. I would, however, like to add a few emphases to the ongoing discourse, just for the record.

 

 

The international community have not even so belatedly come to grips yet with the fundamental basic realities as the only course of resolving the present Somali crises, including the following:

The key to any such resolution is an all-inclusive and genuine reconciliation process to be held in a neutral venue that can lead to a positive political settlement. Nonetheless, any steps ought to be taken in this direction is for the time being out of the question unless and until the so much abhorred Ethiopian invading forces leave the country and end their illegal occupation, ipso facto.

The international community naively continues begging the question by their mantra pronouncements of supporting the Ethiopian foisted Trojan horse, the so-called TFG that ingratiated itself with the unholy invasion of the motherland that visited mayhem and misery on the Somali people. By its own making the TFG is already dead for all practical purposes, once and for all. Its supposed incumbents have miserably failed to serve the nation in the last three years and can never be accepted as national leaders by the Somali people. They are not even acceptable to an overwhelming Somali majority to play any more future role in the national crises, because they have become the marked cause of these immediate crises and cannot be part of their solutions. They have become pariahs and not many Somalis will ever want to sit with them on the same table.

 

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[Castro]

By its own making the TFG is already dead for all practical purposes, once and for all. Its supposed incumbents have miserably failed to serve the nation in the last three years and can never be accepted as national leaders by the Somali people. They are not even acceptable to an overwhelming Somali majority to play any more future role in the national crises, because they have become the marked cause of these immediate crises and cannot be part of their solutions. They have become pariahs and not many Somalis will ever want to sit with them on the same table.

Indeed.

[Wisdom_Seeker]

We are forced to sit with a bunch of blood thirsty men, who swim in the blood of innocent people.

 

America is forcing the TFG on the Somalis, regardless of what the Somalis in general think. If America gets the opportunity to exploit this regime it will do so and since the TFG is full of men with no morals they could easily be of some use to America.

 

A regime America supports is a regime which isn't for the best interest of its people.

[Castro]

Originally posted by Wisdom_Seeker:

A regime America supports is a regime which isn't for the best interest of its people.

Any Arab or South American could have told you that.

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Originally posted by Castro:

quote:Originally posted by Wisdom_Seeker:

A regime America supports is a regime which isn't for the best interest of its people.

Any Arab or South American could have told you that.

Well, our TFG supporters aren't as smart as the Arabs or the South Americans.

[Castro]

You're more like a fight-seeker than a wisdom seeker tonight.

 

Who said the anti-TFG crowd is right? We're just as rabid, if not more so, in our opposition as they are in their cheering. Some of them are principled (though it is the wrong principle, I believe) and some are just along for the ride. But history will prove only one of us right and that is little or no consolation to those who lost their lives and those who continue to suffer. We can pontificate from the comfort of our living rooms but more often than not, the events we argue over are a matter of life and death for some.

 

Allow sahal.

[NASSIR]

Ghalib is one of the opportunists and spoilers of Somali conflicts. This is the last moment that a man complains of a time when his country has the support of the United Nations, United States, European Union, AU, and most of the Arab League countries. To turn against the waves of hope that the events ahead of us promise to the poeple, is misleading and reveals a pervasive motive that some spoilers share as common agenda.

 

If it takes lives to bring peace and order, but you view the opposite--stateless and anarchy, then time will be our witness.

 

"ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are hyperpole terms with no substantive logic behind it. Yes people have died in the cross fire from both sides, but to use "genocide" to describe the actions of the goverment is very very misleading conduct tinged with fear that the government is dominated by a certain clan intent on revenging past wrongs. It does not appeal to common sense at all!!

[Castro]

^^^^ Does rejecting the TFG equate to embracing anarchy and statelessness?

 

It's not a trick question.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Another political masterpiece essay from one of the few most respected aqoonyahan and waxgarad Soomaalis, who always defends Soomaalinimo. A true son of Soomaaliya and a true daljecel, indeed.

 

Waligaa jir, Inaqaalib; la'aantaa iftiin la'aan waaye.

[Jacaylbaro]

Jama M Qalib is a big time iska hadle ,,,,

 

Another looser to add to the list of the af ka noolayaasha iska had hadla ,,,,,

[Abwaan]

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar:

Another political masterpiece essay from one of the few most respected aqoonyahan and waxgarad Soomaalis, who always defends Soomaalinimo. A true son of Soomaaliya and a true daljecel, indeed.

 

Waligaa jir, Inaqaalib; la'aantaa iftiin la'aan waaye.

true that

[Abwaan]

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro:

Jama M Qalib is a big time iska hadle ,,,,

 

Another looser to add to the list of the af ka noolayaasha iska had hadla ,,,,,

War ka joog Jacaylbaro..@lol...adiga wixii Somaliland ka soo horjeeda oo dhan iska hadleyaal miyaa? War odayga saas ha oran. Runtii jaamac waa nin Soomaalinnmadu ku dheer tahay haddii intaas aad ku nacaysidna hadde waa yeelkaa.

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Originally posted by Castro:

You're more like a fight-seeker than a wisdom seeker tonight.

 

Who said the anti-TFG crowd is right? We're just as rabid, if not more so, in our opposition as they are in their cheering. Some of them are principled (though it is the wrong principle, I believe) and some are just along for the ride. But history will prove only one of us right and that is little or no consolation to those who lost their lives and those who continue to suffer. We can pontificate from the comfort of our living rooms but more often than not, the events we argue over are a matter of life and death for some.

 

Allow sahal.

You’ve to twist some few arms in order to gain wisdom from those who like to conceal it.

 

Not all anti-TFG crew solely oppose the TFG for one cause, each one has his or her hidden intentions. Those who oppose the TFG for tribal reason are no where near being right, others who oppose it for the mere reason that it’s immorally wrong to support a regime as heinous as the TFG are on the right track.

 

History only sides with the winner, the loser will be portrayed as vicious creature, which had to be terminated in the name of humanity. The people who die will be judged based upon which side they were fighting for. Defeated are the wrongdoers while the winners are depicted as the conscientious warriors. History is without a doubt unfair.

 

May the dead all rest in peace regardless of where they stood.

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Originally posted by Caamir:

Ghalib is one of the opportunists and spoilers of Somali conflicts. This is the last moment that a man complains of a time when his country has the support of the United Nations, United States, European Union, AU, and most of the Arab League countries. To turn against the waves of hope that the events ahead of us promise to the poeple, is misleading and reveals a pervasive motive that some spoilers share as common agenda.

 

If it takes lives to bring peace and order, but you view the opposite--stateless and anarchy, then time will be our witness.

 

"ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" are hyperpole terms with no substantive logic behind it. Yes people have died in the cross fire from both sides, but to use "genocide" to describe the actions of the goverment is very very misleading conduct tinged with fear that the government is dominated by a certain clan intent on revenging past wrongs. It does not appeal to common sense at all!!

Those organizations are the least bit interested in Somalia. They’ve their own interests, and the interests of the Somali people aren’t concerned. You’ll apparently notice that by merely observing just whom those organizations are advocating for. Corrupted men, voracious criminals and worse of all WARLORDS and their ilk.

 

Senselessly killing thousands of people indiscriminately is an insult to peace and order. Enforcing a warlord regime on people who wish better is obviously defaming to every human being.

 

The warlord regime demonstrated how it could easily carry out brutal atrocities without any hesitation. Thousands died in mere days, all whom were civilians. Arbitrary shelling on civilian invested areas was done because of their opposition against the warlord regime. There is nothing that is misleading at all. Massacre it was, and so it will be labeled as. Deal with it.