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Regional ministers warn Somali warlords against sabotaging peace force

 

NAIROBI, March 17 (AFP)

 

 

- East African ministers on Thursday warned Somali warlords and clerics against sabotaging a regional peace force in the lawless country, saying such a move would invite isolation and possible charges at the International Criminal Court (ICC).

 

"We shall take action against any Somali who will attempt to go against IGAD peace initiative, including measures to isolate any one who undermines the initiative," Kenya's Regional Cooperation Minister John Koech said at the opening of a two-day Inter-Governmental Authority on Development (IGAD) ministerial conference here.

 

Koech said saboteurs face possible charges of crimes against humanity at the ICC in The Hague, which is the world's only permanent tribunal covering war crimes and other such serious violations of international law.

 

The African Union (AU) last month authorized IGAD to deploy an initial peacekeeping force to Somalia to help the country's transitional government relocate from exile in Kenya, before a proper AU peacekeeping contingent gets on the ground.

 

The notoriously hardline Islamic clerics have vowed to resist the whole deployment while some of the warlords who have carved up Somalia have objected to the presence in the force of soldiers from neighbouring Djibouti, Ethiopia and Kenya, claiming theyhave ulterior motives in participating.

 

"We will no longer tolerate adverse activities when the TFG (Transition Federal Government) relocates in Somalia," an Arab league official told ministers and representatives from Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan, Djibouti and Somalia.

 

"Such activities will not help the new government to establish itself and to help the (Somalis) to rebuild their country," the official added.

 

Amid mounting pressure from Kenyan hosts, Somali leaders have several times since December announced the imminent relocation of the transitional government, but each time the target date has passed without action.

 

Previous unmet timetables have set January, mid-February and early March as dates for the move, but many Somali analysts believe the relocation cannot realistically begin until July or August.

 

"It is about time they relocated to Somalia ... the international community will not be able to help the Somali government if they are still in Kenya," Arab League official pointed out.

 

Somalia has been in chaos without any functioning central authority since the ouster of strongman Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991 turned the nation into a patchwork of fiefdoms ruled by warlords.

 

Peacekeeping and humanitarian forays in Somalia by United Nations and United States, which started in 1993, disastrously ended two years later with the death of 140 UN Blue Helmets, several US special forces and unknown number of Somalis.

 

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NASSIR   

walee iyo bille Africankii wuu bartey somalida bahaabahaadeeda.

 

 

Any MP who attempt to derail the efforts of IGAD peaceforce will face and be brought against dire criminal charges.

 

 

With or without the consent of warlords, the IGAD peacekeeping force shall deploy in Somalia.

 

 

Our lives don't depend on these bloodsucking warlords.

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NASSIR   

The above news came after this incident has happened in the Parliament.

 

 

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Somalia parliament brawls after peacekeeper vote

17 Mar 2005 16:58:16 GMT

 

Source: Reuters

 

(Updates with parliament vote, fighting)

 

By C. Bryson Hull

 

NAIROBI, March 17 (Reuters) - A brawl broke out in Somalia's parliament on Thursday shortly after legislators voted against the president's call to deploy peacekeepers from bordering countries to help restore order to the lawless state.

 

Many Somalis, including warlords and militant Islamists, have promised to attack any troops from neighbouring states -- especially from traditional rival Ethiopia -- if they deploy as part of a planned African Union peacekeeping force.

 

After a majority of Somalia's parliament voted in Nairobi against the presence of border states troops, members of parliament began fighting and throwing chairs at each other, witnesses said.

 

Television footage showed several MPs in suits and ties throwing heavy chairs at each other, some beating others with long sticks and others drenched in blood after being struck on the head.

 

"There was a big fight because the opposition was not happy with the vote," MP Abdalla Boss Ahmed told Reuters. He said some MPs damaged the ballot box when it became clear their side would lose, forcing the vote to be held by hand.

 

The dispute is fast approaching a deciding moment on the international level, as regional leaders on Thursday began a two-day meeting in Nairobi to discuss the AU deployment.

 

Diplomats at the meeting, held by ministers from the East African nations that make up the IGAD regional mediation body, said donors will oppose the use of any troops from Somalia's neighbours Kenya, Djibouti and Ethiopia.

 

"It cannot happen. It can happen if they pay for it themselves," one Western diplomat told Reuters.

 

Ethiopian-backed Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf wants 7,500 AU and Arab League troops to help his government return home from Kenya, and is adamant that border states be included.

 

The AU last month backed a deployment of troops from IGAD members Uganda, Sudan, Djibouti, Kenya and Ethiopia to tame rampant insecurity in lawless Somalia, but has no money to fund it.

 

DONORS GROW COOL

 

Donors have grown increasingly cool towards Yusuf's plan, and the United States last month said it would not support any peacekeeping force with border state soldiers.

 

Other donors, who have thus far kept their reservations quiet because of IGAD's lead role in shepherding Somalia's peace process, echoed that position on Thursday.

 

"We wish to express our concern regarding the question of neighbouring troops in Somalia," Enrico De Maio, Italy's ambassador to Kenya and co-chair of IGAD's donor partnership, told the meeting.

 

The United Nations acting special representative to Somalia, Babafemi Badejo, told the meeting that the U.N. Security Council would have to grant an exemption to a 1992 arms embargo to any foreign force deployed in Somalia.

 

Several diplomats said the United States has promised to use its Security Council veto to block any force involving neighbouring troops.

 

"We have said ... we would not be supportive of such a force in the Security Council," a U.S. official told Reuters.

 

The official cautioned it was too early to say a veto would happen, since it may not be necessary after the IGAD meeting and next week's Arab League summit in Algeria.

 

About half of the 275 MPs have publicly supported an alternative plan that would permit foreign troops except those from border states. Most of those voted in the majority on Thursday.

 

The plan offered last month by Mogadishu MPs from the commercially influential ****** clan - including several powerful warlords -- calls for voluntary militia disarmament and re-training by former Somali police.

 

Donors are encouraged, but say the plan needs improvement.

 

"It's a gesture and one that deserves careful study," the U.S. official said. Washington has said Somalia has the means to secure its country, through the warlords that are now part of the government.

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NASSIR   

Duke, how worrisome it is for the leaders elected to behave in a such manner in front of National TV.

 

 

Sadly, the IGAD ministers warned for possible criminal charges against those warlords' behavior and attempt to derail the IGAD peace initiative.

 

"We shall take action against any Somali who will attempt to go against IGAD peace initiative, including measures to isolate any one who undermines the initiative," Kenya's Regional Cooperation Minister John Koech said at the opening of a two-day Inter-Governmental Authority on Development (IGAD) ministerial conference here.

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Xoogsade   

:D:D Waryaada, nimankaan soomaali waaye xaqeyna u leeyihiin codkooda iney dhiibtaan. As it stands, Ethiopia is not welcome. If you call that peace-refusal, let the peace be buried underneath concrete and be gone forever.

 

I am telling you, even if these guys whom you rightly don't like so much accept this degradation of Amxaaro troops coming, and they are bought overnight, the average people in Xamar are waiting for them. Either way, it will be a failure. Perhaps you should think ahead and foresee a war in Mogadishu aimed at Ethiopian troops. What will their inclusion have brought then but more wars? Abdullahi Yusuf will be president and lead the country without ethiopia being part of any process, if that is not acceptable to him, that is his problem. Amxaaro are not invited in Xamar and the lines are drawn. I am actually disappointed these silly men have to accept foreign troops at all. But compromise is needed. That is as far as they should go.

 

The arrests of these men won't stop others taking up the issue on their behalf. Biyo waxaa la dhahay wexey isugu soo arooraan meesha godan, Xamar will be the place in which the future of this government will be decided. You bring ethiopian troops, you can kiss government good-bye. That is what you, Abdullahi Yusuf and Members in the Parliament supportive of Amxaaro want. Why ethiopia? Why?

 

You better look at who is causing this problem by insisting on Amxaaro inclusion. If you are not willing to examine the issues without prejudice, ccomplaining on SOL won't do much for you.

 

 

Nimankaan weligood maantey wax fiican sameeyeen. Kudos to them.

 

PS: Anyone of you who support Amxaaro inclusion in the troops have yet to give a good reason of their importance in this process. I don't understand why they are so important to you or to Abdullahi Yusuf and His lackey MP members.

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NASSIR   

^^ You don't represent the voice of majority people in Mogadisho. People in Mogaidisho eagerly wait to see their government work in Mogadisho and surroundings.

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Xoogsade, here is another opinion from Mogadishu......

 

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HOOS JOOGAYAASHA MA QUUSTAYAASHA ****** OO MACIIN BIDAY ABAABULKA BANNAANBAX GACAN KU RIMIS AH

 

Tobankii maalmood ee ugu dambeysay shacabka Soomaaliyeed 100% aad ayay u wanaagsaneyd rajadii ay ka qabeen inay waxgal noqon karto Dowladda Federaalka KMG ah ee Soomaaliyeed, waxaana sii yaraanayay rajo xumadii ay dadku ka qabeen in hal bacaad lagu liso noqoto Dowladdii lagu soo dhisay magaalada Nairobi ee dalka Kenya kaddib shirweyne dib u heshiisiineed oo socday muddo laba sano iyo dheeraad ah, hase yeeshee farxada guushaasi dadka reer Muqdisho ee ka soo daalay owr kacsiga beeleed, midka jilibyada iyo midka jufooyinka aad ayay u yareyd, kaddib markii ay dhegahooda ku soo dhaceen ma quustayaashii kala qeybsaday dadkaasi iyo caasimadii dalka ee Muqdisho inay gooni u leexdeen iyagoo huwan magaca ay sharafta iyo sumcadda ka qaadeen ee ****** , isla markaana iyagoo magaca beeshaasi ku hadlaya soo saaray qoraal ay uga horjeedaan, hase yeeshee ujeedadoodu tahay inay ku jukeystaan Dowladda si ay ugu fulaan dano xaglahoodu is dayayo oo ay ka leeyihiin xukuumada.

 

 

Waxaa hubanti ah in ma quustayaasha ****** gabalkoodu sii dhacayo, waayo sidii ay iyaga Xabadda isugu laayeen oo degaanadoodii u kala qeyb qeybsiyeen dadkoodiina u kala googooyeen ayaa maanta waxaa sidaas oo kale u burburinaya xaqii ay shacabkooda ka galeen, waxaana taasi daliil cad u ah inay maanta shacabkooda u horseedayaan mucaaradnimo iyo owr kacsi qabiil oo aanu ognahay wixii hadimo ahaa ee uu noo geystay, waxaase Alle mahadii ah in xilka Madaxweynenimada Soomaaliya uu majaraha u hayo nin aan marnaba la loodin karin oo leh karti, burji siyaasadeed, geesinimo, ka dhabeynta fulinta tallaabooyinkiisa, oo aan ahayn ma quustayaasha ****** oo kale, hase yeeshee akhristow qormadeydan ma aha mid ka tarjumeysa aragtida guud ee beel weynta ****** , waxayna Soomaali ku mah-maahday "Bad hal Malaay baa qurmiya" oo aan ula jeedo magacaas weyn inay sharaftiisa dhulka ku jiidayaan ilaa iyo maantadan aynu joogno ma quustayaal aan toban qofood gaareynin, waxaana marqaati ma doonto ah in beesha ****** ay u qarsan yihiin rag fara badan oo magac iyo maamuus ku leh dalka, kuwo kalena ay jidka ku soo jiraan jiilka dambe oo xalay dhalay ka dhigi doona wixii godob ahaa ee shacabka ****** ka galayaan ma quustayaashani.

 

Farxadda iyo yididiilada shacabka Soomaaliyeed, dadka reer Muqdisho aad ayay u sii koreysaa, kaddib markii ay maqleen go'aanada taariikhiga ah ee ay gaareen Wasiirada Gaashaandhigga dalalka IGAD, ayna akhristeen qorshaha howlgalka Ciidamadaasi iyo baraha ay ka degayaan, waayo ******** in dalalka Afrika ay u diyaar garoobayaan sidii ay u badbaadin lahaayeen intii iyaga ka hartay, oo aad moodo marka ay timaado Muqdisho inay haatan ka wadaan hoos joogayaashoodii xilka u hayay inay iyaguna u diyaar garoobayaan sidii ay u dabar jari lahaayeen wixii dad ahaa ee ka haray Rasaastii ay isku ridayeen oo ay doonayaan haddii ay wax kale waayaan inay gabbaad ka dhigtaan shacabkii ay afduubka ku heysteen.

 

Ifafaalaha arrintan waxaa kaaga daliil ah isbedelka xooga leh ee ku yimid shacabka Soomaaliyeed, gaar ahaan kuwa ku dhaqan Muqdisho iyo gobolka Sh/hoose, haddii aad arki jirtay bannaanbax ay dadku meel fagaare ah isugu yimaadaan kaddibna socod ku maraan waddooyinka, maanta waxaanu aragnay hoos joogayaashii Muqdisho oo qabanqaabinaya bannaanbaxyo gacan ku rimis ah, sida arday ciyaal iskuul ah oo maamulka Iskuulka ay dhiganayaan lagu amrayo inay ardaydu si khasab ah u soo bannaanbaxdo, kaaga sii darane maamulka iyo macallimiinta loo yeerinayo ujeedada bannaanbaxa, waxaana kuu muuqanaya in kooxahan ma quustayaasha ahi gabalkoodu ka harsan tahay wax ka yar 50-maalmood kaddib marka Askariga ugu dambeeya ee ay soo dirayaan dalalka Afrika cagaha soo dhigo gudaha Soomaaliya markaasoo godkiisa la sii diyaarin doono ma quustihii aan u hoggaansamin awaamiirta ka soo baxeysa Batalyanka Ciidamada IGAD, waxaanse shacabka Soomaaliyeed ee ay afduubka ku heystaan Alle uga baryayaa inuu tusiyo towfiiqda iyo talada suuban, isla markaana qalbigooda Alle soo hanuuniyo kuwa tirada yar ee isugu jira qaar weli aaminsan Qabiilka oo aan weli ku soo baraarugin dhismaha Qaranka Soomaaliyeed.

 

Hadaan hoos joogayaasha ma quustayaasha Muqdisho ee ku sugan Nairobi u soo noqdo waxaan kula talin lahaa inay u diyaar garoobaan dhismaha Qaranka Soomaaliyeed iyo la shaqeynta Xukuumadda Federaalka Soomaaliya oo ay dani ugu jirto si gaar ah marka loo tilmaamo dadka reer Muqdisho, waayo mar haddii ay Dowladani Federaal tahay iyaga ayaa xaq u leh maamulkeeda, waana inay madiidin u noqon kuwa dul-saarka ku ah ee xooga ku degan Muqdisho ilaa min gobolada Sh/hoose, waxaana hubanti ah in shaqsi ka soo jeeda gobolada dhexe aanu marnaba maamuli doonin Guddoomiye gobolna u noqon karin dadka ku dhaqan gobolka Sh/hoose, sida Yuusuf Indha-cadde oo markii uu hadlayo aad moodo in haddii calooshiisa la jeexo ay dhexdeeda ku jiraan nacaybka Madaxweyne C/llaahi Yuusuf iyo af-lagaadada Dowladda Itoobiya, oo waxyaabaha afkiisa ka soo baxaya aanay ka suurtoobin maanta qofka uu ku jiro damiir Soomaalinimo, waxaana Indha Cadde iyo kuwa la midka ah u sheegayaa in Xukuumadani aanay ahayn sida tii Carte ee ahayd XAQ LAMA RABO EE XAL BAA LA RABAA ee ay Dowladani tahay XAL LAMA RABEE XAQ AYAA LA RABAA, kiinii u hoggaansami waaya Xukuumadana sida duqsigii oo kale laga soo dhex saari doono bulshada.

 

 

Waxaa Qoray: Jabriil Maxamuud Nuur (Jabra)

jabriil37@hotmail.com

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Xoogsade   

Bro duke, All points of view should be taken into consideration. Let not some men act as if they own the government and only their voice and views count where others are just dismissed as invalids.

 

 

The point of contention is about Ethiopia being part of this process. Setting aside Men like Yalaxoow, Atto or whoever opposes the measure for their own reasons, the sentiment against Amxaaro is very high given the fact that Muqdisho has a dominant religious residents. They figure into this and all it takes later on when you bring Amxaaro into town under whatever guise, is for them to hold sermons which will consequently line-up support for waging a war. And people will support them. One bullet against a common enemy does all the trick to send the whole house crumbling down on its foundation. There, you will have foreign troops buried in Xamar along with whoever stood by them. Saxib, What does that scenario look like to you? Are you really thinking about this?

 

Lately, we made a good progress over the years and there is no animosity in people today where they would go to war with each other based on tribal namesakes. It is all talk and business as usual in most somali cities. We don't want to change the dynamics of that and must/should focus on debates where Somalis are made witness to what is going on. Despite the debates, the arguments, the hand-talk, This government is strong and hope for it isn't dead yet. I personally support it but with conditions. So are my relatives. I am hoping at the end of the dispute over Ethiopian participation, comes out a united government.

 

And a I tell you a secret, you can have Aidid Jr, Atto, Yalaxoow or whomever you want and do as you please with them. They have been outcasts in their society. I never agreed to their inclusion in any peace process but guys like you were always saying they are important. I actually dislike them and have no respect for them. It is others who view them as influential men whereas the sane people among their tribesmen see them as a curse among them and throw Lacnad on them. All said, Everyone has a stake in this government. It is OUR GOVERNMENET as much as it is any Somali individual's government. Let us keep hope alive Saxib. It is not that terrible. people oppose certain policies and their voices will be heard. That is all it is. The government is alive and not dead yet. Ethiopia has the potential to kill this so let us not make Ethiopia the party that determines if we are going to have government or not. Xataa hadaa nimnkaan ka hesho oggolaasho, like I said, there is still the potential for war against Ethiopian troops. I even thought if Ethiopian troops can go to a different part of Somalia to avoid the sure-to-happen-war between them and other somalis in Xamar if they come and Abdullahi yusuf and Supporting members insist on their inclusion.

 

 

CAAMIR.

 

You are talking to Xamarawi here :D make no mistake. Although I do not represent a tribe or part of Somali society per se, my voice is the same as many and it will be taken into account. This government isn't an exclusive club is it? I tell ya Saxib, You will deal, or will be made to deal, or hope dies with the ultimate failure. You choose lol.

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Xoogsade   

Maymuunah cadeey, ii waran Abaayo? wallahi waa runtaa, odayaashaan inaan iskaga dhex baxo waaye :D

 

I hope I haven't offended you personally.

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SOO MAAL   

President Abdulaahi Yusuf and Prime Minister Ali Ghedi have great opportunity to help Somalia and the Somalis to recovery from the devastating civil war,

 

Somali citizens should help and give every chance their government to restore Somalia, since the newly established gobernment is last hope for somalia

 

For long time Somali people were hostage for notorious warlords, making the warlords accountable for their actions could only the long lasted civil war and bringing international peacekeeper troops is the only to restore order to the lawless state.

 

Somalia Hanolato

 

Peace Insha Allaah

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The point of contention is about Ethiopia being part of this process. Setting aside Men like Yalaxoow, Atto or whoever opposes the measure for their own reasons, the sentiment against Amxaaro is very high given the fact that
Muqdisho has a dominant religious residents. They figure into this and all it takes later on when you bring Amxaaro into town under whatever guise, is for them to hold sermons which will consequently line-up support for waging a war
. And people will support them. One bullet against a common enemy does all the trick to send the whole house crumbling down on its foundation. There, you will have foreign troops buried in Xamar along with whoever stood by them. Saxib, What does that scenario look like to you? Are you really thinking about this?

xoogsade I have to give you sxb you are very good fadhi ku dirir But answer me these if you can. why the Muqdisho has a dominant religious residents and every day is being killed for very well known scholar, espcial for the last 3 days? why people like you and the resident do see these us a normal life?

 

I agree with you 99% Is not good idea to have front line troops in somalia couse we are muslim and we had war with them. I even don't like the idea of having any troops in our wonderfull soil.

 

 

But again we have ppl like you who will tell me, and the other muqdisho is very safe that you call everday. Again we hear from ppl who vist Moqdisho is not place you will even think of staying one minute couse of the way It trun out. Guns every where their are no ruls. Shee kadu waa ninkaa ka xoog badantahay dhac

 

The worset think to do in this life Mr Xoogsade is to play ppl's intelgent And you are doing these by telling ppl fals infromation I read your posts in diffrent occion.

 

And don't get me wrong is only you who is doing these you have your falks who will tell us somliand and puntland is the pest place to life. again all of these are lies. We will be safe only when the govenment have power of the ppl.

 

 

One&love peace and unite in our nation insha alaah

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Bachelor   

Any MP who attempt to derail the efforts of IGAD peaceforce will face and be brought against dire criminal charges.

Caamer, honestly most if not all including the president A/Y should be brought to justice. We all know most of them are bloody warlords.

Our lives don't depend on these bloodsucking warlords.

These blood sucking are regareded as leader now wheather you like it or not.

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NASSIR   

Indeed BAchelor, but the warlords have varying degrees of capability to leadership qualities. The ones with lesser capability have kept Somalia in anarchy heedless of the circumstance of their own people whom they claim and represent to benefit their opportunistic agenda. But A/Y's experience as a colonial officer and war veteran in his struggle against the fascist government puts him in a suitable position to purge this country from our current state, a country that is deteriorating at a rapid pace. If given full support and trust, he certainly will bear positive fruits. It is apparent how his proposals are working at an enthusiastic coordination. He is the one formulated the need for peacekeepers in Somalia. (If i am right, the AU troops were approved and affirmed by the IGAD despite the exclusion of frontline troops that would have only enhanced the quality of government's strategy for peace.) His future plans also make him a great leader if he will achieve them: To unite Somalis under federalism, to improve the rights of women and minority, most importantly conciliate our vendettas, and compensate those of us who had lost property and territory. At this juncture of our history, to undertake such heavy-duty task seems far-fetched and wild. With the support of his Somalis, they can all be attained and let us wish optimism and resilience for our president and his government.

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