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Apophis   
1 hour ago, galbeedi said:

Apophis ,

Let alone blood or other crimes, I never wronged another Somali and neven consumed an illegal dollar in my life .

Weligay qof Somaliya kuma dulmin dalkii hooyo, shillin xaaran ahna ma cunin.

I am and always was a law abiding citizen. 

You admitted to being conscripted in 1988. No way you are innocent.

Show us your records.

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biyo-cad   

 

I agree we need to let the pirates go free and create their own homeland.  Somalia had only one chance and a dictator by the name of Afweyne killed that dream.

 


 

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On 2/8/2020 at 6:27 PM, maakhiri1 said:

It maybe to new to some now, but PL has always being playing a game, but they were always closet secessionist 

NIMANKU SL waxba kama sokeeyaan.

Munaafaqadda waa lagu ogaa. But the days when One leg in, one leg out used to get them the best of both world is coming to an end. 

 

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Of relevance to the topic, Faisal Roobleh, formerly a staunch opponent of Somaliland and man who used to attend every gathering or conference that somehow is anti-Somaliland in nature, has been changing his tune as of late. This is his latest posts. 

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The question still remains whether federal member states learn lessons from Somaliland on confidence, having clear goals and objectives, and relying more on the wisdom of their people than IC officers in Nairobi and Addis Ababa.

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Federal Member States: Lessons to be learned from Somaliland

Somalia, as it exists today, is a geographic expression with three layers of mini-states: (1) Somaliland, (2) Puntland and Jubbaland, and (3) Hirshabelle, Southwest, and Galmudug.

These three layers are at different stages in state formation and deal with both Villa Somalia and the outside world accordingly.

Somaliland is a class by itself. Most Western journalists treat it as an independent country. Ethiopia and Djibouti do so although under the cover of trade cooperation. Donor countries also recognize that Somaliland has secured peace, a modicum of state stability, and a heightened self or national confidence and cohesion that needn't be disrupted.

The 2012-2016 compact (a phantom new deal), now a relic document collecting dust in a shelf inside Villa Somalia, treated Somaliland as a separate entity from the rest of Somalia. It was inadvertently a de facto recognition of Somaliland by both Villa Somalia and the International Community. Farmajo, therefore, must not disturb Somaliland, maintains the IC, or else his aid will suffer.

The second category is a loose association consisting of Puntland and Jubbaland. Until recently, Puntland was treated by Villa Somalia as a strong pillar in keeping the federal system together. However, due to devious politicians from that region, the hard work done towards federalism since the end of the Somalia civil war is largely compromised.

The root cause of this is Puntland's own intricate clan system that is highly politicized. Each and every politician from Puntland (be a parliamentarian, a minister, or even civil society leaders) highly utilize clan and sub-clan politics for political offices.

One of the major problems President Said Deni is facing is not Villa Somali being strong, but rather clan political peddlers, especially those ministers close to Villa Somalia, weaponzing sub-clan politics. In the last three years, Villa Somalia’s vicious politics of division has proliferated Puntland to a point where it created discordant conditions.

As to Jubbaland, it has never been given time to complete federal member state formation. Early in its infancy, it was at war with Hassan Sheikh's administration. We recall Abdullahi Godah's bravado and his provocative statements when he was interior minister.

Following a respite and a short-lived stability, thanks to the administration of Hassan Sheikh Mohamoud's final awakening to endorse collaboration than confrontation, Farmajo came to office in 2017 with venom and political, some say, clan vendetta against Ahmed Madobe. Facts are now emerging that he even tried to kidnap Ahmed Modobe while he was on a business visit to Mogadishu.

Jubbaland is today anything but stable, and the state formation process is severely hampered. As a matter of fact, it is on the verge of war with Villa Somalia as Farmajo manipulates military might and the mischief of clan politics. By sawing hyperbolic clan sentiment in Gado, the region is on the verge of military conflict.

The third group is nothing but an extension of Villa Somalia. Leaders in this group have voluntarily given up their constitutional rights and legitimate roles that are guaranteed to states. They seem to be comfortable to exist under the shadow of Villa Somalia as long as their positions are protected by Farmajo.

The trio region is weak in governance and seems to enjoy less credibility with the people they claim to represent but pride over the cozy relationship they enjoy with Villa Somalia.

Concluding Remarks

1. Puntland must reassert itself even if it emulates Somaliland by calling for a full autonomy short of secession and continue the course until Villa Somalia comes to the table for a serious deliberation around the draft constitution. If it cannot do that, it may as well join hands with group three.

One of the successful attributes of why the leaders of Somaliland seem strong is that they rely more on the support of their people and most of the time ignore donor sentiments when it comes to state formation and politics. And that is the right way to govern your people. Whether Puntland can learn such a lesson from its neighbor remains to be seen.

2. Jubbaland has shown a meek face in a time of adversity. One serious problem with Jubbaland is its over-consciousness of what the donor community (USA and EU missions) would say if Ahmed Madobe asserts himself. Such psychology led to the erosion of Ahmed Madobe's confidence in his people and in the cause for which he says he stands. Guaranteed Jubbaland is complex and the clan relationship is more precarious here. However, Ahmed Madobe can't watch things deteriorate and always give in to what the donor community says while Mohamed Farmajo amasses troops in Gedo.

He better assert himself in the face a brewing invasion. Until now, Farmajo has been waging a psychological war and Soviet-style propaganda against Jubbaland. Now, it seems he wants to declare war! And Ahmed Madobe's side has been awfully silent because of fear of what the donors would say! If such a silence continues, the governed in Jubbaland will also lose confidence in its leadership. Delay is death!

3. The third group does not need any recommendation. President Ware was the first of the pack Farmajo successfully tamed. In October 2017, he was a focal advocate for federal member states’ rights and roles. He emerged as the spokesperson for the states following a conference in Kismanyo. Upon his return, though, Farmajo so severely punished him by stopping about $400,000 promised for institutional building. I was with him at Halane Camp in Mogadishu, when President Ware received a scornful call from the Deputy Minister for Finance and told him the “he was not getting the money.” Mr. Ware almost fainted then abruptly left the meeting. From that day one, he became an obedient soldier of Farmajo’s. The other two have followed suit.

The question still remains whether federal member states learn lessons from Somaliland on confidence, having clear goals and objectives, and relying more on the wisdom of their people than IC officers in Nairobi and Addis Ababa.

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Apophis   
44 minutes ago, Suldaanka said:

Of relevance to the topic, Faisal Roobleh, formerly a staunch opponent of Somaliland and man who used to attend every gathering or conference that somehow is anti-Somaliland in nature, has been changing his tune as of late. This is his latest posts. 

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Federal Member States: Lessons to be learned from Somaliland

Somalia, as it exists today, is a geographic expression with three layers of mini-states: (1) Somaliland, (2) Puntland and Jubbaland, and (3) Hirshabelle, Southwest, and Galmudug.

These three layers are at different stages in state formation and deal with both Villa Somalia and the outside world accordingly.

Somaliland is a class by itself. Most Western journalists treat it as an independent country. Ethiopia and Djibouti do so although under the cover of trade cooperation. Donor countries also recognize that Somaliland has secured peace, a modicum of state stability, and a heightened self or national confidence and cohesion that needn't be disrupted.

The 2012-2016 compact (a phantom new deal), now a relic document collecting dust in a shelf inside Villa Somalia, treated Somaliland as a separate entity from the rest of Somalia. It was inadvertently a de facto recognition of Somaliland by both Villa Somalia and the International Community. Farmajo, therefore, must not disturb Somaliland, maintains the IC, or else his aid will suffer.

The second category is a loose association consisting of Puntland and Jubbaland. Until recently, Puntland was treated by Villa Somalia as a strong pillar in keeping the federal system together. However, due to devious politicians from that region, the hard work done towards federalism since the end of the Somalia civil war is largely compromised.

The root cause of this is Puntland's own intricate clan system that is highly politicized. Each and every politician from Puntland (be a parliamentarian, a minister, or even civil society leaders) highly utilize clan and sub-clan politics for political offices.

One of the major problems President Said Deni is facing is not Villa Somali being strong, but rather clan political peddlers, especially those ministers close to Villa Somalia, weaponzing sub-clan politics. In the last three years, Villa Somalia’s vicious politics of division has proliferated Puntland to a point where it created discordant conditions.

As to Jubbaland, it has never been given time to complete federal member state formation. Early in its infancy, it was at war with Hassan Sheikh's administration. We recall Abdullahi Godah's bravado and his provocative statements when he was interior minister.

Following a respite and a short-lived stability, thanks to the administration of Hassan Sheikh Mohamoud's final awakening to endorse collaboration than confrontation, Farmajo came to office in 2017 with venom and political, some say, clan vendetta against Ahmed Madobe. Facts are now emerging that he even tried to kidnap Ahmed Modobe while he was on a business visit to Mogadishu.

Jubbaland is today anything but stable, and the state formation process is severely hampered. As a matter of fact, it is on the verge of war with Villa Somalia as Farmajo manipulates military might and the mischief of clan politics. By sawing hyperbolic clan sentiment in Gado, the region is on the verge of military conflict.

The third group is nothing but an extension of Villa Somalia. Leaders in this group have voluntarily given up their constitutional rights and legitimate roles that are guaranteed to states. They seem to be comfortable to exist under the shadow of Villa Somalia as long as their positions are protected by Farmajo.

The trio region is weak in governance and seems to enjoy less credibility with the people they claim to represent but pride over the cozy relationship they enjoy with Villa Somalia.

Concluding Remarks

1. Puntland must reassert itself even if it emulates Somaliland by calling for a full autonomy short of secession and continue the course until Villa Somalia comes to the table for a serious deliberation around the draft constitution. If it cannot do that, it may as well join hands with group three.

One of the successful attributes of why the leaders of Somaliland seem strong is that they rely more on the support of their people and most of the time ignore donor sentiments when it comes to state formation and politics. And that is the right way to govern your people. Whether Puntland can learn such a lesson from its neighbor remains to be seen.

2. Jubbaland has shown a meek face in a time of adversity. One serious problem with Jubbaland is its over-consciousness of what the donor community (USA and EU missions) would say if Ahmed Madobe asserts himself. Such psychology led to the erosion of Ahmed Madobe's confidence in his people and in the cause for which he says he stands. Guaranteed Jubbaland is complex and the clan relationship is more precarious here. However, Ahmed Madobe can't watch things deteriorate and always give in to what the donor community says while Mohamed Farmajo amasses troops in Gedo.

He better assert himself in the face a brewing invasion. Until now, Farmajo has been waging a psychological war and Soviet-style propaganda against Jubbaland. Now, it seems he wants to declare war! And Ahmed Madobe's side has been awfully silent because of fear of what the donors would say! If such a silence continues, the governed in Jubbaland will also lose confidence in its leadership. Delay is death!

3. The third group does not need any recommendation. President Ware was the first of the pack Farmajo successfully tamed. In October 2017, he was a focal advocate for federal member states’ rights and roles. He emerged as the spokesperson for the states following a conference in Kismanyo. Upon his return, though, Farmajo so severely punished him by stopping about $400,000 promised for institutional building. I was with him at Halane Camp in Mogadishu, when President Ware received a scornful call from the Deputy Minister for Finance and told him the “he was not getting the money.” Mr. Ware almost fainted then abruptly left the meeting. From that day one, he became an obedient soldier of Farmajo’s. The other two have followed suit.

The question still remains whether federal member states learn lessons from Somaliland on confidence, having clear goals and objectives, and relying more on the wisdom of their people than IC officers in Nairobi and Addis Ababa.

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I totally agree with this. The era of forcing “ a union” for the benefits of the “yar yars” is over.

No minority clan will ever again use State power to subjugate the larger clans.

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Oodweyne   

Suldaanka.

I can't really disagree with Mr Faisal Robleh up there. In fact it's the first I that actually agreed with what he has ever written. But the point is Faisal was always a federalist (both in Somalia and in Ethiopia where he is from as Somalis from there). However, his particular acute political problem is that neither Mr Farmaajo nor Mr Abby Ahmed actually and sincerely believe federalism for their respective countries.

And in fact, if it was up to Mr Farmaajo, in particular, and were he to have the power to do it, he would have said it simply by now to lets start all over it again with that business of "State formation of Somalia" (excluding Somaliland, since she in turn will not have no truck with anything formulates for Somalia). And he in turn, in that new and freshly-minted would-be State's formation process, would have gone direct to a version of a "unitary centralized State", where districts (or sub-region units) will have some form of accountable power. Instead of regional federal member states, as the current Constitution of Somalia's stipulates it.

This means, Mr Farmaajo would prefer a decentralized unitary state where (as I said it) the sub-regions or at the district level will be the places (or locus) where all sort of delegated authority will be placed there. And that place will be empowered to deliver all the "social amenities" in which the folks living there and in that district will need. Instead of things of these sort of "social services" coming through at the region's capitals, which is what federalism will in turn dictate, at least at the moment. 

Similarly, if it was up to Mr Abby Ahmed, he will simply revoke the whole nine-yard of the Ethiopian's Ethnic federalism that is causing too much headache for him at the moment. But he can't do that. So he started to play a cat and mouse sort of a game with Ethiopian's ethnic communities and their internal rivalries.

Hence, the reason he is trying to be much closer to Amhara and those who never had any good word to say about ethnic federalism of Ethiopia. For the simple fact is that he would prefer to see the "restoration" of a strong central state centered-on at the Capital in Addis-Ababa. Where, naturally, the likes of Amhara's political elites, would in turn will gravitate towards it when it comes to who should be calling the "political shots" of the Republic from there.

Moreover, for some reason it seems that he is much politically comfortable with Amhara's political elites than he is with his Oromo's folks. And the fact that can't happen in today's Ethiopia, in the sense of "dismantling" Ethiopia's current creaky "Ethnic federalism" doesn't mean some of the Ethiopian's centralized-minded Elites, like the Amhara of this world, will, all of a sudden, stop dreaming about it. Or they will stop supporting any federal level politician who think just like them. 

And in here one can say that it really is tragic to see our former colleague in here of SOL, namely Abtigiis (i.e., Mr Mustafe Cagjar) meekly going along with Mr Abby Ahmed when it comes to later's man attempt to dismantle, in a brick by brick of a sneaky sort of a way, the Ethiopia's Ethnic federalism. And this Ethiopian's form of federalism at the heart of it, if we do remind ourselves, is the only good freaking thing in which Somalis under the Ethiopia's rule ever had gotten out of that "ramshackle and poverty-stricken imperial state of Ethiopia".

Or perhaps, we should call that imperial Ethiopian's state the memorable name which was coined for her by the author Mr Nurradin Farah, which was: "Empire of Rags". And this he meant it as empire teeming with a rags-wearing disenfranchised hapless people, who are no more of a decent sight to observe than seeing the sight of a large-warehouse intended to shelter a teeming homeless humanity in some where in the Western's countries.

All in all, if you understand the innate and the underlying "centralizing political philosophy" of Mr Farmaajo, then his action in Hir-Shabeele, his action in SWS, his current ones in Gal-Mudug, and the one he is about wear a "military fatigue" for it in regards to war he wants to initiate in his region of Gedo in particular and Jubbaland in general, and finally the one he being doing under the tables towards Puntland, all of that would be "self-explanatory arguments" that doesn't need many layered treaties to make them so transparently obvious to anyone else who is observing his "political agenda" in Villa Somalia from any distance.

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I am amazed by the sheer stupidity, naivety and outright buffoonery of Puntland detractors on SOL. 😁

Puntland is Somalia and Somalia is Puntland. Now how hard can that be, eh!

Puntland shall never stoop to the level of nor join the ranks of the hapless and inconsequential. Somalilanders of the north who for the last 30 years or so been bleating about like deranged mooncalves about secession and have nothing to show for it.

You daft S.O.Bs need to know is that Puntland has set Somalia on an irreversible course and by God you dimwits will be dragged along kicking and screaming until a united, strong and federal republic is fully realized. Don’t let the petty sideshow of Somali politics fool you into believing anything else.

Forewarned is forearmed, right? 👍

 

 

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Oodweyne   
23 hours ago, Tillamook said:

Puntland shall never stoop to the level of nor join the ranks of the hapless and inconsequential. Somalilanders of the north who for the last 30 years or so been bleating about like deranged mooncalves about secession and have nothing to show for it.

Aha, the beauty of this fiction is a sight to behold, really. And in fact in the British's circle it would have won (at least if it turn into some form of novella) UK's Booker Prize fiction of the year.

And by that I mean in the following sense:

Firstly, The last 30 years or so has been the boon years for Somaliland if you compare it where she was at least from the get-go in 1991. For now at least, she is master of her political fate, which is not the case with Pundland, particularly, if you were to "judge" things from the hapless political entreaties of Mr Deni, that is in here in his recent speech. 

Second, the world treats Somaliland (in investment and in diplomatic engagement, and in any affairs that impact her) directly without going through any other place, be it Villa Somalia or be it any other place. Ask Villa Somalia how many bruised wounds they have suffered so far in their endless attempt to stop Somaliland?

Third, the UK, the US, France, Russia, China, have all signed of UN's Security council (UNSC) resolution stipulating that future political direction of Somalia and Somaliland is a matter for both parties to have to agreed to it between themselves. And you can see this resolution if you consult the "UNSC's legal resolution that had kick started the talks between Somalia and Somaliland, particular point six (6) of the "Chevening  Agreement" between Somalia and Somaliland. Which in turn the UNSC had turned it to a legal resolution from that body. And that in turn will, holistically, indicate to you that Somalia and Somaliland are not to each other, in legal terms at least, as that of "parents" to their "offspring". But they rather are two parties who in turn are free to parlay, to debate, and to discuss, the form of "political destiny," their future path will indeed take.  

Fourth, when all of that were happening for Somaliland, all else for Puntland that has anything to do her sense of place and of her self's worth was getting from bad to worse. And that was the case in terms of the constant interference she seems to be get from Villa Somalia. It was the case in-terms of her economy, since Bosasso is ghost town in comparison to Berberra. And it was the case with her in-terms of constitutionally, since she has lost more lands and more territories to Somaliland, at least if you compare and contrast what she had started with back in 1998 and what he has now in 2202. Hence, in that final analysis, if I were you, mate, I wouldn't bring anything worthy of praise to which to then to try to write home about it in regards to what Puntland has achieved since 1998. Particularly when you compare to what on the other hand Somaliland has gotten under her belt so far since 1991.

Fifth, in case in here you mean the lack of "legal recognition" of Somaliland, even in here one can say that has nothing to do with any diplomatic and political handiwork of anyone within Somalia. Let alone our cowardly neighbors to our east. But it's largely to do what with the US and with the rest of the Western's strategical agenda. And that is largely driven by their agenda of given Somalia some sort of a "facade of an empty de-jure State's recognition". Which in turn has no power to effect anything on the ground in Somaliland.

And the West did that just to lulled Somalia into some sort of a "political acquiescence" sense of accepting to operate under some form of a "UN's Trusteeship mandate" whilst they are attempting to build a political State for themselves (in the south, alone). Hence, you can say that the Western's strategical agenda is not "disrobe" Somalia of that "flimsy legality", or awaken them from that illusion while they are building that State of theirs. And never actually say to them that you don't really rule Somaliland in any sense of effective sovereignty. Whilst at the same time, they seemed to have decided to give the "real substance" or the "De-facto sense" of power to Somaliland in-order for her to build her political State along the way without being interfered with by Somalia.

This is the reason Villa Somalia is not allowed to disrupt, to retard, to interfere, or to do anything that is diplomatically damaging at all to Somaliland in the mean-time. No matter how many times they scream to high heaven that they were meant to be sovereign state over Somaliland as well, at least as the UN's legal system says that they are. What that means is that the Western's powers have essentially "divided-up" the "essence of Statehood" in which the old Somali Republic's State of 1960 used to had. And they have divided up into "two distinct categories", which are "De-facto and De-Jure".

This means, the "de-jure" is the legal title of the state. Where as the "de-facto" is the real contextual power to effect things on the ground. Or you can say that they have divided up in-terms of "facade of Statehood" (which is what they gave to Somalia) on one hand. And the "substance of Statehood" (which is what they gave to Somaliland) on the other hand. And in that sense they gave the empty De-Jure thing to Somalia, whilst given the substance-laden thing to effect the reality on the ground, or the De-Facto power to do her interests, to Somaliland on the other hand.  

Finally, as a man who saw his own region of Sool being taken away by Somaliland, despite having a "long-standing political and historical bet" in right here of SOL against others (like me) that such thing will not happen, never will happen, and will not come to pass, which is what you did in here when you had that old name call Sophist, could be rely to hope rather desperately that Puntland has more years in her creaking self than anything else. Otherwise he has no place to which to hide, or even to run to. And his destiny will be under Somaliland in total.

So I do understand why you waffle on in here, mate. And do that in so cowardly of a way. After all, you run away from "your old bet" of 2004/2005. And you just simply did that by deciding to "change shirt" on us in-order to avoid coming clean from your old historical bet in which you had with me all those years ago. And precisely it was (as I said it) in 2004/2005, just to remind you, when you said so in here of SOL that your region of Sool will never ever come under the control and the legal jurisdiction of Somaliland.

And now, all of a sudden, you are hoping that Puntland will have more days to come in herself lest that "fictitious claim" of Puntland being, in a jurisdictional sense, the responsible entity over Sool and Sanaag regions, may be practically disrobe by Somaliland as we have being doing it all along. Particularly where the last "political rites" are said for it over the decomposing political corpus of Puntland. And, of course, this is likely to be case under Mr Deni's maladroit action in-terms of the social and the political conduct in which we are observing him in doing it now in his fiefdom. Or it could be the case, in fact, if Villa Somalia keep on endlessly "squeezing", politically, that den of thieving political chancers, which otherwise is known as Pirate-land of Somalia. 

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Dhaqaale   
1 hour ago, Tillamook said:

I am amazed by the sheer stupidity, naivety and outright buffoonery of Puntland detractors on SOL. 😁

Puntland is Somalia and Somalia is Puntland. Now how hard can that be, eh!

Puntland shall never stoop to the level of nor join the ranks of the hapless and inconsequential. Somalilanders of the north who for the last 30 years or so been bleating about like deranged mooncalves about secession and have nothing to show for it.

You daft S.O.Bs need to know is that Puntland has set Somalia on an irreversible course and by God you dimwits will be dragged along kicking and screaming until a united, strong and federal republic is fully realized. Don’t let the petty sideshow of Somali politics fool you into believing anything else.

Forewarned is forearmed, right? 👍

 

 

I tried to explain this to the bushmen of the north aka Somaliland about the strong Somali nationalism of Puntland but alas they are not use to working for the greater good only their own selfish small minded ends as you have so elegantly pointed out.

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Oodweyne   
22 hours ago, Dhaqaale said:

I tried to explain this to the bushmen of the north aka Somaliland about the strong Somali nationalism of Puntland but alas they are not use to working for the greater good only their own selfish small minded ends as you have so elegantly pointed out.

Lool, listen to ninny waffling on endlessly with the notion that Pirate-land has been working with the idea of strong Somali's nationalist sentiment. Surely you jest my dear pillock?

And in case you are really serious with this flimsy allegation of yours, let me I remind you (although I have a sneaky suspicion that you don't know this much) that it was none other late Col. Cabdilahi Yusuf Yey, who was the founding father of of Pirate-land, who in turn actually brought on the occupation of Ethiopian's forces of Mogadishu in 2006.

And to boot, not a peep to the contrary sort of sense was ever heard, when he was at it in all of that historically infamous act, from the political elites that fiefdom. Not even a jot of contrary argument, indeed, was ever heard from them. Hence, so much of your claim of Pirate-land being motivated with any sense of Somali nationalism.

Consequently, what really gets them off from the bed in most mornings, and what really motivates them, just in case you wanted to know, is a version of a peculiar clannish agenda, which in turn is hiding under ill-fitting garb or cloth call Somali nationalism. And they do these things or at least they do things in this way because they essentially "lack the real courage of their conviction" (unlike us in Somaliland) to say, clearly and proudly, to all comers and to none, that: "here is where we stand, come hell or high water".    

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7 hours ago, Tillamook said:

I am amazed by the sheer stupidity, naivety and outright buffoonery of Puntland detractors on SOL. 😁

Puntland is Somalia and Somalia is Puntland. Now how hard can that be, eh!

Puntland shall never stoop to the level of nor join the ranks of the hapless and inconsequential. Somalilanders of the north who for the last 30 years or so been bleating about like deranged mooncalves about secession and have nothing to show for it.

You daft S.O.Bs need to know is that Puntland has set Somalia on an irreversible course and by God you dimwits will be dragged along kicking and screaming until a united, strong and federal republic is fully realized. Don’t let the petty sideshow of Somali politics fool you into believing anything else.

Forewarned is forearmed, right? 👍

 

 

Somalis are emotional bunch. You triggered Oodweyne into writing a term paper.

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Oodweyne   
15 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

Somalis are emotional bunch. You triggered Oodweyne into writing a term paper.

No, actually. For I was merely trying inform him about how easy it was for me to see through him.

And as for "triggering", well let me say that may be a bit of a "projection" on your part, mate.

After all, you have seen how Pirate-land had run out of all "service-able roads" to which through them she can be "all things to all men" (as it were). And therefore the likes Villa Somalia did seems to have called in total the "political bluff" of Pirate-land in so of a daring way.

Hence, knowing all of that is in plain sight, then I get the impression easily that you want to keep the "dignity" of the "tolka" intact with these empty talks of saying that we shouldn't read too much into what Mr Deni is blathering on with it at the moment. As if we can't really smell from here far out the "sheer desperation" in which your argument is carrying on forth.

So, all in all, I do understand your predicament, mate... 😎

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Oodka,

Our Pirateland folks on SOL are putting up on the usual brave face.  They know the Cheeseman without much of an effort at all is destroying the 'Clan Federalism' that the Pirateboys championed for so long. 

If Cheeseman is able to single handedly put a big question mark on the viability of the clan fiefdoms, then I have to say the Pirateboy will have very little chance if a strong leader with a Centralist agenda assumes power in Mogadishu, specially one from the  More-yaan group.

With failing economy, shrinking influence and most importantly deteriorating security, Pirateland is watching & waiting for the perfect storm forming. It is inevitable that Pirateland will either do something silly i.e. try to follow Somaliland. Or succumb to the forces from Mogadishu. They are between a rock and a hardplace. 

 

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Haatu   
On 2/7/2020 at 7:32 PM, Che -Guevara said:

Don't confuse oligarchs with the people.

When speaking about politics, no one ever intends the mindless masses who just do what they're told. What we're discussing are the positions and beliefs of the elite who run the show. And call me cynical, but I believe the NE elite to be closet seccionists. Their idea of unity is sharing a passport and that's it. They are more contemptible in my eyes than the rabid snm. 

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