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Erdogan says Somalia has invited Turkey to explore for oil in its seas -NTV

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galbeedi   

We should have done this long ago. Better late than never. 

Let the Turks drill. We trust them them. 

While everyone is hiding in Mogadishu airport built by the Turks, our Turkish brothers are dying with us in building roads, hospitals and essential services. 

 

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I am beginning to warm to the Turks for the simple reason that simultaneously managed to piss off the Arab, Greeks, and Israelis.

As for the possible projects, there needs a clear process that is transparent and well defined.

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Do you guys think the turks are doing this for free very naive to say. The turks are doing this for their own benefit and want to own  Somalia in the long term if they already not own it

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gooni   

Khayraad aad gaajo ugu ag dhimatay waxaa ka fiican ayadoo walaalahaa turkiga la wadaaga.

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Duufaan   

Turkey should be given a big chunk of the pie, for not only the right thing to do but the only way to create interests and competition. They will now show up and  line up in order the Turkey will not get anything. There will be  no grantee that others will take the risk but Turkey will definitely do it.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

Do you guys think the turks are doing this for free very naive to say. The turks are doing this for their own benefit and want to own  Somalia in the long term if they already not own it

If you are going to be kissing behinds of others, you should find a cleaner behind to kiss. The Turkish behind is the cleanest by a mile as far as all horn of Africa is concerned including Xabeshi.

But remember that even choosing behinds is a very risky situation.

What happened in Ethiopia is excellent lesson.

You only have one option. Let go of some benefits and keep your dignity and patience. Even that is difficult since they will come for you if you are in strategic location and you have oil that is Somalia.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

I am beginning to warm to the Turks for the simple reason that simultaneously managed to piss off the Arab, Greeks, and Israelis.

As for the possible projects, there needs a clear process that is transparent and well defined.

Che,

You should warm up to the Turkish since they are moving upwards. Everyone is nice when moving upwards. Even America, British, French..were very nice moving up.

The Turkish are moving up on the pecking order in the world. They are now same level as France and Britain. The Turkish of course culturally have moderation, which is good thing.

As for Somalia, Farmajo need to either repair the failure or get out. The failure is that by this time he should have had 20,000 trained army in Somalia and 2000 special operations trained in Somalia and Turkey.

He totally failed this most important objective for Somalia, being scared of UAE and its African scouts Abiy and Afwerki.

 

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galbeedi   
22 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

Do you guys think the turks are doing this for free very naive to say. The turks are doing this for their own benefit and want to own  Somalia in the long term if they already not own it

Xaaji , if not the Turks who else. The dirty Greeks or the French and their company  Total who has done nothing for us.

It was the Turks who rescued millions in 2011. 

Saaxiib Nimaan nahay Cadawgayga lama Simo.

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Turkish professional injineero are literally dying on the streets of Muqdisho while building Soomaali highways. Cadowga trying to keep them leave, but they are not going anywhere. Maanta ayee ka fara dhaqan karaan gacmahooda and move out. But Reer Cismaaniyiin are staying put.

Aad ayee u mahadsanyihiin. Shisheeye iyaga dhaamo lama haayo maanta.

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Much needed good news!

If I were the Somali goverment, I would get this moving as fast as possible to avoid giving the Gulf countries a chance to derail this agreement through their usual tactics. 

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Oodweyne   

Hello Folks,

I hate to bring to speedy and decisive end to all this sort fantastical jamboree welcoming the prospect of Turkey in general and Sultan Erdogan in particular, drilling oil in Somalia. But I must say that won't be happening any time soon. And the reason for that is that Uncle Sam (US) won't allowed it.

And Uncle Sam (US) won't allowed it for the simple reason that the only justification in which so far the Trump's administration (and the State's department number two guy, a chap by the name of Mr Nagy P. Tibor, who is Assistant Secretary State For African Affairs, along with the US's Pentagon who has "military's assets" in Somalia) are supporting the failing FGS is that the long coast-line of Somalia's Indian Ocean coast should be free of China. Free of Russia. Free of Turkey. Free of Iran. And finally, it will be "reserved" only for the oil companies in which the US will be happy to see them drill oil in those off-shore's areas.

And these companies will be US's based large conglomerates, like Exon-Mobile and others of that sort from UK and France, such Total, BP, or Shell, which in turn can be allowed to do that. But not any company from Turkey or anyone from China. And before some of your illiterate ninnies in here of SOL retort back at me and, say, well, Somalia is sovereign state who can in turn enter any "commercial contract" with any one we like, I will say, please, niggers, do not go there. For that will make me laugh in rather uproarious manner (no less), indeed.

There are no "free lunch" in this world (as our Galbeedi keep always reminding us in here of SOL, since he is fond of saying that). And by that I mean the reason the Obama's administration had accepted to "recognize" Somalia's FGS back in 2012 was precisely so that US's oil companies will be first in the line to drill the off-shore (alleged oil) of Somalia to exclusion of every one else, especially the likes of China and Turkey.

It's the reason that the US brought the likes of Ambassador Donald Yamamoto from his quasi-retirement from US's diplomatic service, just so that he can in turn "Sheppard" this sort of thing, diplomatically and strategically, from the UN's security Council (UNSC) to all the way down to the conclusion of having an embassy in the "Green-Zone" of Mogadishu without the likes of the Chinese taking any cut of any lucrative kind from Somalia's oil which in turn could be going.

It's the reason the "legal case" that is the dispute between Somalia and Kenya over the contested sea's areas between the two nations will be settled, quietly, and will be done outside of the International court-room without the average citizen of Somalia being any the wiser of it at all.

This is uncle Sam (US) at his best when it comes to the sort of the "nifty diplomatic footwork" he does it, from time to time, particularly when it comes to getting on his hand in any would-be loot that could be going on in anywhere in the world, specifically, if on the other hand, the US's government had already "bought" that State (like they have bought Somalia so far) with "military foot-prints" and with "diplomatic support" of the government of that country.

There is a deadly Geo-strategical competition between China and US for various African's real estate (otherwise known as Sovereign African's States). And the US is most certainly not playing around to settled for the "second position" when it comes to winning that competition in Africa against China. Which means they will keep any "Real Estate" in Africa they got (read that as free and alleged independent states in Africa). And they will then proceed to challenge the rest of it against the Chinese if on the other hand the Chinese are looking favorably to win the "political patronage" (or tutelage) over that specific states in Africa.

And in the case of Somalia, you could lie to yourself about you being a sovereign State who can make its decision independent of every one else. But, I am afraid, that is a childish dream. For Somalia is bought and paid for "Real Estate" by the US's strategical interest. Or you could say that Somalia is in that Uncle Sam's tutelage column. And they will not allowed the likes of Turkey or China to get a cut out of any would-be future "benefits", that can be gain from oil extraction once the place gets to be stabilized in the next ten (10) years or so.

Of course, US could loose interests along the way, particularly if another administration comes to power in Washington, and if that administration were to say lets cut our loses out of Somalia and leave the place well alone. But so far the US (from Obama to Trump) had pursued a consistent policy of ensuring that Somalia, particularly its long Indian ocean coast line, remain a US's purchased territorial real estate, regardless of the notion you may actually think that this long coast line in the Indian Oceans really belongs to Somalia.

It's a same "strategical policy" in which the then Bush's Senior administration (between 1989 till late 1992 and in particular during the "operation restore hope" time) had pursued before the then Clinton's administration abandoned such US's strategical policies towards Somalia in 1994.

Finally, we shall see how Turkey gets to be side-line from this sort of a deal without too much wordy or shouty arguments being heard from Uncle Sam (US). And the beauty of it all is that it will be the same leadership of Somalia who will be told in no uncertain terms, that, the likes of China and Turkey are expressly prohibited in getting on in any oil action in Somalia's long Indian Ocean's coast-line. 

And of course, such a low-caliber leadership in Somalia in which they currently have, who are in effect beholden to those who provide their security like Uncle Sam (US), given that US and the West in general pays the money and provide the logistics of the AU's peace-keepers in Somalia, will follow in total and in both the letter and the spirit of the "policy dictation" that is likely to be forth coming from Washington, where the alleged oil of Somalia is concern. And who has the freaking right to drill this stuff in the first place.

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