Fabregas Posted November 26, 2008 For real, these pirates are embarrasing us now. All these non Somalis keep asking me, like I am suppose to have some secret contacts with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gheelle.T Posted November 26, 2008 Well said Geel-jire. That exactly what I was saying. What is even worse than sinking is the way they kept bragging about..Capdhan Vijay Patel " Ve sunke dha biggesdhe ship of da piradasi, da modher ship is no mo" they psyche of thinking is beyond me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gheelle.T Posted November 26, 2008 B.G, why do think they embarrass us? If some one asks about it, just tell them what you know about it that's all. Don't feel bad or put burden on yourself. Certainly Nigerians don't get embarrass about money schemes that they so famous for. I don't believe sending foreign navies is the solution. To fight them (piracy) should start in land by Somalis, not foreigners. We already have enough issues with people in our soil. World body can help logistically and politically, but military intervention on sea, BIG NO NO... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geel_jire Posted November 26, 2008 Capdhan Vijay Patel " Ve sunke dha biggesdhe ship of da piradasi, da modher ship is no mo" they psyche of thinking is beyond me. imagine a puppet with a bobbing head Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted November 27, 2008 This is a multi layered argument. 1. You have to recognize the difference between fishermen protecting their waters and pirates. LoL. That's something I have been trying to get you to do for 4 pages! 2. Somali Fishermen have the right to board foreign vessels in the Somali coast, tow those vessels and fine the ships that were engaged in illegal activities inside the Somali maritime zone. Agreed. But these are guys are not fihsermen if they are trying to hijack ships near Oman and Yemen. 3. In the case that there are pirates abusing the situation and attacking ships unlawfully. Whichever Navy vessel that is patrolling that area in international waters should follow international law. Agreed. This is a change from your previous stance. The Indian Navy thought the ship they shot at was a pirate ship because they saw pirates on board who (according to the news) fired at them. No time questions and laws when that happens. Blame the pirates for the unfortunate deaths and not the Indian Navy. In the case of the ship that was sunk, I believe they were in Omani waters. What was an Indian Navy ship doing in Omani waters, sinking a Thai ship? They were patrolling the area. What were 'fishermen' doing in Omani waters hijacking a Thia trawler? 4. Pirates or no pirates they the Indian navy had no right to sink that ship and even if they did sink that ship they should at least saved the survivors. In this case 13 sailors are possibly drowned, 1 of them was in the sea for 6 days and was luckily rescued by ships sailing by. They thought they fired on a pirate ship. 5. We are accusing the pirates of breaking the law, well here we have the Indian Navy breaking the same law yet you are saying you still believe they had the right to sink that ship. Absolutely. They were fired upon from the ship by the pirates who hijacked it. Maxay sameen lahaayeen? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
me Posted November 27, 2008 Another press release on the incompetence of the Indian navy. India navy defends piracy sinking The Indian navy has defended its action in sinking a ship near Somalia that maritime officials have confirmed was a hijacked Thai fishing boat. The International Maritime Bureau said the Ekawat Nava 5 had been captured by pirates earlier in the day on 18 November and the crew was tied up. One crewman was found alive after six days adrift but 14 are still missing. The Indian navy said the ship was a pirate vessel in "description and intent" and had opened fire first. India is one of several countries currently patrolling the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, amid increasing attacks by Somali pirates. Almost 40 ships have been seized this year, the biggest the Saudi oil tanker, Sirius Star, which is still being held off the Somali coast. 'Exploding ammunition' Indian navy spokesman, Commander Nirad Sinha, told AFP news agency: "The vessel was similar in description to what was mentioned in various piracy bulletins. "The Indian navy ship asked them to stop for investigation. On repeated calls, the vessel responded by saying it would blow up the Indian ship," he said. "Pirates were seen roaming on the deck with rocket-propelled grenade launchers." Commander Sinha insisted that the INS Tabar only opened fire after being fired upon, and that "exploding ammunition was also seen" on the target. Noel Choong, who heads the International Maritime Bureau's (IMB) piracy reporting centre in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, confirmed the vessel was the Ekawat Nava 5. "The Indian navy assumed it was a pirate vessel because they may have seen armed pirates on board the boat which had been hijacked earlier," Mr Choong told Associated Press. "We are saddened with what has happened. It's an unfortunate tragedy. We hope that this incident won't affect the anti-piracy operation by the multi-coalition navies there," he said. The owner of Ekawat Nava 5, Wicharn Sirichaiekawat, said his company had informed the IMB the boat had been hijacked and had asked for assistance. The British navy confirmed the boat had been boarded and that any action could harm the crew. The IMB sent an alert to other multi-coalition patrol vessels but Mr Choong said it was unclear whether the Indian vessel had received it as it had no direct IMB links. Mr Choong urged more cooperation in the future. Mr Wicharn said the boat had been headed from Oman to Yemen to deliver fishing equipment when it was approached by the pirates in two speedboats. The Indian navy mistook the vessel for a pirate "mother ship", he said. Mr Wicharn said he had learnt the fate of his trawler from a Cambodian crew member who had survived the bombardment and had been rescued by a passing ship after six days adrift in the Indian Ocean. The sailor was now recovering in a hospital in Yemen, he said. The survivor said all the crew were tied up except the captain and translator. Mr Wicharn said the Thai foreign ministry had summoned the Indian ambassador to issue a complaint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
me Posted November 27, 2008 Another press release on the incompetence of the Indian navy. India navy defends piracy sinking The Indian navy has defended its action in sinking a ship near Somalia that maritime officials have confirmed was a hijacked Thai fishing boat. The International Maritime Bureau said the Ekawat Nava 5 had been captured by pirates earlier in the day on 18 November and the crew was tied up. One crewman was found alive after six days adrift but 14 are still missing. The Indian navy said the ship was a pirate vessel in "description and intent" and had opened fire first. India is one of several countries currently patrolling the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, amid increasing attacks by Somali pirates. Almost 40 ships have been seized this year, the biggest the Saudi oil tanker, Sirius Star, which is still being held off the Somali coast. 'Exploding ammunition' Indian navy spokesman, Commander Nirad Sinha, told AFP news agency: "The vessel was similar in description to what was mentioned in various piracy bulletins. "The Indian navy ship asked them to stop for investigation. On repeated calls, the vessel responded by saying it would blow up the Indian ship," he said. "Pirates were seen roaming on the deck with rocket-propelled grenade launchers." Commander Sinha insisted that the INS Tabar only opened fire after being fired upon, and that "exploding ammunition was also seen" on the target. Noel Choong, who heads the International Maritime Bureau's (IMB) piracy reporting centre in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, confirmed the vessel was the Ekawat Nava 5. "The Indian navy assumed it was a pirate vessel because they may have seen armed pirates on board the boat which had been hijacked earlier," Mr Choong told Associated Press. "We are saddened with what has happened. It's an unfortunate tragedy. We hope that this incident won't affect the anti-piracy operation by the multi-coalition navies there," he said. The owner of Ekawat Nava 5, Wicharn Sirichaiekawat, said his company had informed the IMB the boat had been hijacked and had asked for assistance. The British navy confirmed the boat had been boarded and that any action could harm the crew. The IMB sent an alert to other multi-coalition patrol vessels but Mr Choong said it was unclear whether the Indian vessel had received it as it had no direct IMB links. Mr Choong urged more cooperation in the future. Mr Wicharn said the boat had been headed from Oman to Yemen to deliver fishing equipment when it was approached by the pirates in two speedboats. The Indian navy mistook the vessel for a pirate "mother ship", he said. Mr Wicharn said he had learnt the fate of his trawler from a Cambodian crew member who had survived the bombardment and had been rescued by a passing ship after six days adrift in the Indian Ocean. The sailor was now recovering in a hospital in Yemen, he said. The survivor said all the crew were tied up except the captain and translator. Mr Wicharn said the Thai foreign ministry had summoned the Indian ambassador to issue a complaint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamaavi Posted December 5, 2008 Oh, look, this man says 'Piracy is Terrorism', and mentions some other pirates, but not the biggest of them all, Columbus. Here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/opinion/05burges s.html?_r=1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
