Uganda President names Somalia as example of failed country and (says he won't name others b/c of diplomatic fall out)

[Tillamook]

Keep your eyes on the ball, my fellow Somalis. The aged Gorilla of Uganda is right...for now.

Somalia, indeed, lacks a state with authority. But like everything else, just because something is a certain way does not mean it shall remain the same forever. 

So let’s keep our eyes on the ball, my fellow Somalis. Let’s keep working on improving the effectiveness of our nascent Federal institutions and learn to hold our current leaders accountable. I believe, completion of the Federal constitution and the courts responsible for its implementation must be our number one priority; or else,  we shall continue to give Museveni— and all sorts of other unsavory banditti — cause to go into contortions of mirth, at our poor expense.

 

P.S

If it’s any consolation, Ambrose Bierce, an American author, once wrote to describe a conversation between a dictator and a young democracy in one of his fables titled, “The Good Government”

"What a happy land you are!" said a Republican Form of Government to a Sovereign State. "Be good enough to lie still while I walk upon you, singing the praises of universal suffrage and descanting upon the blessings of civil and religious liberty. In the meantime you can relieve your feelings by cursing the one-man power and the effete monarchies of Europe."

"My public servants have been fools and rogues from the date of your accession to power," replied the State; "my legislative bodies, both State and municipal, are bands of thieves; my taxes are insupportable; my courts are corrupt; my cities are a disgrace to civilisation; my corporations have their hands at the throats of every private interest - all my affairs are in disorder and criminal confusion."

”That is all very true,” that all very true said the Republican form of Government, putting on it’s hopnail shoe; “but consider how I thrill you every Fourth of July.”

 

 

[Suldaanka]

Timo-dheerey,

yes, he is right in his assertion every word. He could have been right about South Sudan or Central African Republic or other similar countries that only exist as "place holders" only, like Somalia.

But you are missing the point here. Everyone is aware of the sorry state of these countries. 

The point that Musevini was making here is that, Villa AMISom/Somalia is part of the land that he overlords. Hence, he has a free pass to say anything he wants about it. Whereas South Sudan is a thorny sensitive issue and he would rather avoid making a fool of himself not to get his words twisted. 

He has a point here. His men are dying to guarantee the life support system that is enabling the existence of Villa AMISom.  

When Villa AMISom have a dispute among themselves, who do they run to? Yes, Ugandan Generals. When Cheeseman wants to fly out of Mogadishu, whose tanks he hides inside? Yes, Ugandan tanks. 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Tallaabo said:

That is true but the reality is even worst. Somaliland in its current form is a failed state within a failed state. We don't even have the privilege of being mocked as a failed state.

Somaliland has 99 problems but foreigners dictating or making fun of it is not one of them. In fact, if it wasn't the sadistic Southerners holding on to our legs, we would have been sending a Somali to the moon by now. 

 

 

[Che -Guevara]

Sad truth but we are focusing on the wrong thing.

[galbeedi]

The truth hurts. Yet he doesn’t want to mention South Suda, Libya and central Africa.

Garoowe ayaa lagu heshiisiinaya dawlada iyo mucaaradka; , Farmaajo aya heshiisinaya Aqalka Aare iyo ka hoose, ciyaartu ha iska  socoto. 

Puntland wa la dhigay, Hiiraabe iyo Jubba ku xigta , madaxweyneyaashu ha iska bataan, nin Walba ha taliyo, dagaala socda, doorashooyin iyo xadhigjiid ha bar bar socdo. Wales kuwan haddanu dhegeysano sodon sano ayey naga qaadan. 

How can a failed state could afford these many cooks?, We need unified leadership where the decision is made . I do not care what certain region or town does., during difficult times, you need a leadership that makes the tough decision.

Adeer lawada talin maayo. Waa laka adkaan, qabaa’ilna wax noobyeedhin maayaan.

[galbeedi]

Farmaajo has no plan. He had two years to prepare and escape from the yoke of Uganda. 

Museveni doesn’t want any Eritrean or other armies. The Somali mission keeps Musveni from the coups of his generals.

He is either want to weaken Farmaajo at this late stage or want to keep the monopoly for years to come.

Ninkani waa ninkii Farmaajo  riday 2011. He thought Farmaajo might target the presence of the foreign especially the Ugandan army. Museveni waited  for two years to see any meaningful changes, and now rather depose him like last time, he will weaken him and make him irrelevant..

Cadowgii shalay ku riday ayaa ku waardinyeynaya nacas yahow 

[Che -Guevara]

5 hours ago, Suldaanka said:

Timo-dheerey,

yes, he is right in his assertion every word. He could have been right about South Sudan or Central African Republic or other similar countries that only exist as "place holders" only, like Somalia.

But you are missing the point here. Everyone is aware of the sorry state of these countries. 

The point that Musevini was making here is that, Villa AMISom/Somalia is part of the land that he overlords. Hence, he has a free pass to say anything he wants about it. Whereas South Sudan is a thorny sensitive issue and he would rather avoid making a fool of himself not to get his words twisted. 

He has a point here. His men are dying to guarantee the life support system that is enabling the existence of Villa AMISom.  

When Villa AMISom have a dispute among themselves, who do they run to? Yes, Ugandan Generals. When Cheeseman wants to fly out of Mogadishu, whose tanks he hides inside? Yes, Ugandan tanks. 

 

 

 

Somaliland has 99 problems but foreigners dictating or making fun of it is not one of them. In fact, if it wasn't the sadistic Southerners holding on to our legs, we would have been sending a Somali to the moon by now. 

 

 

LOL, to the moon eh? Go to the outer space first.

Considering how much in disarray Somalia is with  no military and economic power and with belligerent tribes/regions and not to mention Al-shabaab/ Daacish and foreign interference, among of all secessionist entities in the world, Somaliland is in the best position to gain recognition. Yet Somaliland failed in that effort, this has more to do Somaliland's incompetence than with Southern sadism.

Surely. Farmaajo whom you made point of telling us he is no position to do anything can't be an obstacle.

 

[Suldaanka]

2 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

LOL, to the moon eh? Go to the outer space first.

Considering how much in disarray Somalia is with  no military and economic power and with belligerent tribes/regions and not to mention Al-shabaab/ Daacish and foreign interference, among of all secessionist entities in the world, Somaliland is in the best position to gain recognition. Yet Somaliland failed in that effort, this has more to do Somaliland's incompetence than with Southern sadism.

Surely. Farmaajo whom you made point of telling us he is no position to do anything can't be an obstacle.

 

No, Cheeseman is not an obstacle. But the situation that Somalia is in, is one of the reasons that can be an obstacle. 

When it comes to Somaliland, reer Koonfurka all from young and old put up a face like the one below. They are all like "we are so weak, are you trying to take advantage of our sorry state?" The International Community that wants to deal with Somaliland are left perplexed. No one wants to be first, but the queue for second place is long.

Which is why the IC wants Somaliland and Somalia to resolve their issues among themselves. 

But as of recently, that could have changed. The cute but sad cat face of Somalia is now being seen as a fraud. The following irresponsible actions have shifted the IC's views towards Somaliland further to Somaliland's side.  

1. The unsubstantiated tantrums towards DP World's Berbera Agreement.

2. Cheeseman's attempt to stiffle Somaliland's Development arrangement with IC

3. Cheeseman's unwarranted decision to PNG the SRSG Haysom. 

4. Cheeseman's unwillingness to honour previous office holder's agreements with Somaliland. 

All of the above are clear demonstration that Villa AMISom is not fit for talks with Somaliland. There are some in the IC that agree with Somaliland. 

Hence, the IC's insistence that Somaliland and Somalia should to resolve their issue, maybe on its last legs. 

 

[Che -Guevara]

Little of you wrote made any sense. If I understand you right, you are saying Villa Somalia is not in position to talk to Hargeysa and some international actors share that view.

That begs the question what's stopping Hargeisa from gaining recognition considering Villa Somalia's ineffectiveness and IC willingness to engage with Hargeisa?

 

[maakhiri1]

SLers are also delusion,Cheering  and enjoying for the problems in Mogadishu,  they are unable to see the big picture. We are all in the same boat.

[Suldaanka]

Che, 

That topic is very well covered on these forums. No need to bring it into this thread. However, if you wished a revisit of that topic, aniga marti iiga ahaw. 

 

Makhiri,

Those onboard that sinking boat are the Northern Unionists. Not Somalilanders. Don't get it wrong. 

 

[galbeedi]

1 hour ago, maakhiri1 said:

We are all in the same boat.

Of course we are.

Suldaanka,

The Northern Unionists have no choice  but to take the power from corrupt southerns who are happy with  the status quo. For them " Caadi Waaye"

 The problem is we have seen this film before in 2011 almost eight years ago. Musaveni told Farmaajo in 2011 that "without our tanks you are no body" , then he called the two Shariifs and told Farmaajo to  leave the seat. Our president  found himself  in the same situation again. Even if you give these people  a second chance and opportunity to correct the last blunder they  will never learn.

Here , Farmaajo is back in 2017. What did he prepare to face Muaveni again within two years of taking power. Halkii uu kaga tagay sideed sanadood ka hor ayuu ugu yimid isagii oo jooga waxna diyaar u hayn.

How many times we told you that a government is judged by how it moves the first hundred days. 

When he was elected in 2017, he told them  that he want Somalis tp protect him, and the Ugandans told him, " Hey there are no Somalis to protect you, here , sign this paper, we are not responsible if some thing happens". The poor fellow was scared and chose the Ugandan to continue doing his job.

 . This statement from the Ugandan dictator is a well calculated shot backed by others like the British and even the UN. 

Musaveni couldn't build four lane highway in Uganda after 30 years of power. I do believe that  most Africans dictators like in west Africa and other places,  the army usually moves in and removes the long serving rulers with a coup. For Musaveni  , the Somali cash cow keeps soldiers and officers  busy by making money.

The UN has its own private airport, huge kilometer wide container warehouses and their own lane at the airport queue. The Ugandan people are relatively educated and patient people. In my conversation with some Kampala residents, they told me that if Musveni doesn't leave this time around  the country might go to civil war again.

Yet, even if civil war breaks in Uganda, their hope is that nations go to civil war, people die and then things becomes normal. Someone will become a leader and make the decisions. No one in the world have this low intensity conflict that never goes away except Somalia.

As a supporter of Farmaajo, I have been quite for the last few days about what took place in Garoowe. While the peaceful transfer of power in Puntland is celebrated, Farmaajo forgot to use that platform to set his agenda and take a route different than the old failed politicians and old men like Faroole who never goes away.

Faroole was taking credit of the creation of the  useless Upper House that has no reason to exist in Somalia. Farmaajo should have set his agenda and tell those who were there and the Somali people  in general how he wanted  to move and implement his agenda for the next few years. He should have known that in this kind of gathering,   where every washed up politician want the microphone and talks the usual gibberish, his role should be different than anyone.

He was  failed by those who run his office and those who advice  him. . He just went there as usual without  any plan and talked just like those who were seeking some exposure. In fact, it was Mr. Saciid Deni, a novice politician who took the limelight and  acted like a leader and set his agenda by  talking  his  future plans at the inauguration. 

The most difficult issue that Farmaajo would face is that how to reconcile the presence of these   foreign armies from Ethiopia, Kenya, Eritrea and Uganda to co-exist within Somalia, while knowing that each one of them has his own national interest.

Besides, C/laahi Yusuf tried to clear the land with the Ethiopian army. Unlike Farmaajo he had his own Somali soldiers lifting the heavy  lift, yet when he tried to convince the Ethiopians to finish the job and implement his agenda , they refused and started to weaken him using other  Somali actors. He was stronger before he came to Mogadishu, but the day he took over the real presidency, they sabotaged him until they forced him out.

My conclusion is Musveni want to stay here until 2025, and will do what ever it takes to stop  Farmaajo and company for interfering with his plan. So, what plan Mr. Farmaajo has to kick out t these mercenaries?.

 

[Old_Observer]

Very sad to see most of us reduced to choosing "masters".

Some are anti-Tigray yet choose to serve Oromo Amxara interests with the same way they blamed Illey and others.

Some are anti-Uganda and Kenya yet are very happy to dance for Abiy and Isayas

Some are anti-Turkish yet will dance in Asmara the home of Saudis and UAE in Horn of Africa.

 

Why not first determine what is in the best interest of the Somali people? Who can best help in achieving that interest?

Turkish would be choice no.1 since they respect the Somali autonomy in all affairs, local culture, language, future plans and will. The rest consider the Somali as to be told only. The Turish have the moral standing to ask what you want to do and help you or suggest this is better than that and influence you by real plan and action.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The koonfurians are to blame every year  they select some one in the.bunker they get excited why are they  so dishonest with them selves. You will not  move  forward unless  you adress the elephant in the room. This tribal federalism will not work it failed since 2004. Why are you still pushing it. Qofku marku garmaqaate yahay  waligi wu so indhoadkanaya. Tuugan kheyre iyo farmaajahan farihisa kala aqoon are both big failures.  Ninkan kuleh itooobiya anigu uun abaan u noqon kare.  Bal  wayahay uba  noqe ha noqon uun  damiirlaawe   xabashi ama gaalamadowdu u yeedhiso.

[Old_Observer]

The Uganda man has been in power for too long. He does not have good sense of power play, especially where America is involved. He thinks he is American and Israel representative of the region.

Having hard time that little Eritrea is now more important for UAE/America than Uganda.

 

 

[gooni]

Aduunka aan ku noolnahay waligaa ku arki maysid dad ama shucuub dalkooda iyo dawladooda hoos u dhiga markay timaaddo in shisheeye la hor istaago, daruuf kastoo jirta.

Qaar badan waxay garta siiyeen ugandha ayagoo ku xisaabtamaya sababta labo sano oo dhan soomaaliya u istaagi la'dahay.

Qaar way calaacaleen ayagoo xasuusanaya abaalkii 78' dii soomaaliya u gashay ugandha.

Qaarna dhalanteed yaa la fogaaday cid kastoo xumaan ka sheegta koonfurta waa saaxiibkood.

Xaqiiqdii waa shacab layaab leh waana tan keentay inuu madaxweynaha ugandha afkiisa ka ilaaliyo koonfurta sudan.

Dhanka siyaasadda aragtidayda

Dalalka ciidamada u dira, dal kale waxay iska ilaaliyaan inay ku dhiiradaan, inay xumaan ka sheegaan, si ciidamadoodu u helaan dariiq ay ku kasban karaan dalka ay la joogaan shacabkiisa. 

Si kastoo ay u hubaysan yihiin looma ekaysiiyo ciidamo gumayste.

Balse taasi waxay dhacdaa markii shacuubta ciidamadu la joogaan, wadaniyad aan ha laheeso un ahayn iyo alla abwaankaasu run badanaa.

Gorillaha afrika wuxuu jecelyahay inuu dhul qrux badan ku noolaado caruurtiisa iyo reerihiisana wuu u cadaalad sameeyaa waxaana quruxdiisa sii dhamays tiray oo indhaha caalamka kusoo jeediyay aamusnaantiisa.