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  2. Posted

    On 10/4/2021 at 2:32 AM, maakhiri1 said:

    This has some local support,  I have seen similar issues,  hatred and jealousy of people from South, who really work hard and will do any job,  became relatively successful.

    True. Which is why Somaliland cannot really function as a state until the concept of citizenship is a real thing. If you invest and build a company then the security of that company will depend on your connections and clan affiliation and not on the rule of law. This is one of the biggest hurdles facing Somaliland and it will not be an easy one to overcome. As for Somalia, well it has similar problems as well as terrorism.

  6. Posted

    9 minutes ago, Tillamook said:

     If the “constitution” of somaliland prohibits the propagation of any religion other than Islam, then it is indeed a grave injustice and theft by Biixi and his family to use somaliland government funds to finance a private business regardless of whether or not it is a missionary school or any other private business ventures for that matter. On the other hand, if the “constitution” of somaliland allows such missionary schools then Biixi and his family can preach the teachings of the Bible, as avid born-again Christians would say, until kingdom come …it’s a free world after all.😁

    As for Coldoon, I don’t think he should have been arrested whether or not he is correct about the state of affairs of that particular misssion school. His right to free speech under the “constitution” of somaliland should be protected just as much as Biixi & Company’s  right to own and run a Christian missionary college in somaliland.

    Live and let live, I say… 

     

    What Somaliland chooses to do and not do is none of your business. Worry about Puntland and the over inflation of its currency.

  7. Posted

    10 hours ago, galbeedi said:

    What do you know about Turkey and NATO?. Despite the alliance everyone is for himself. America is using YPG to destabilize southern Turkey and Turkey knows it.

    THe good news is Turkey is not an emotional Arab, especially gulf country who act like a jealous woman. Erdogan

    It seems you know nothing about anything remotely geopolitical. The Turks are in NATO because they understand its benefits. The Arabs are destabilising Ethiopia because the renaissance dam project could cut off water for Egypt. There is nothing emotional about that. Only idiots and evil minded men in Mogadishu think because Tukey has built up and run the Mogadishu port and help get their degenerate ass off the ground somehow Turkey is here to help....utter fools!

  8. Posted

    9 hours ago, galbeedi said:

     

    A decade ago, when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, then prime minister, set foot in Mogadishu, the most high-profile visit by a non-African leader to Somalia attracted the world’s attention to the dire humanitarian crisis in the country. Turkey’s priority in Somalia was to deliver humanitarian aid to those affected by the drought, the worst in East Africa in 60 years.

    For effective humanitarian aid delivery, road and other infrastructure projects were soon underway in the capital, and the Turkish Embassy in Mogadishu was opened.

    Turkish governmental and civil society organizations were providing humanitarian and development aid, building schools and providing scholarships to Somali students to study in Turkey. Soon other foreign missions were established, and the city was booming, attracting new businesses and waves of diaspora communities coming back to their home country.

    Doors for trade between the two countries were opened. Turkish companies began investing in Somalia, and some of them won lucrative deals to manage Mogadishu’s port and airport. Meanwhile, many Somali entrepreneurs have since opened businesses in Turkey, and hundreds of others have made Turkey their preferred destination for higher education and health tourism.

    Turkey’s efforts in Somalia were seen as a success of its soft power approach there. Both Turkey and Somalia reiterated the importance of shared historical and cultural ties in strengthening their relations and pursuing ways of seeking more cooperation in other domains. The Horn of Africa country became Turkey’s gateway to East Africa and the wider sub-Saharan Africa. Aug. 19, 2021, marks the 10th anniversary of the resumption of relations between Turkey and Somalia. These relations, which have been strengthened and developed in various spheres, are poised to grow deeper looking forward.

     

    - Beyond soft power

    A series of developments at the international, regional and local levels have encouraged both countries to widen their relations beyond humanitarian, development, cultural and trade relations.

    Following the failed July 15, 2016 coup in Turkey orchestrated by the FETO movement, Turkey sought to cement its presence in the Middle East and Africa, where the terrorist group has been maintaining a strong presence.

    Regionally, Turkey was wary of the influence of countries like the United Arab Emirates in advancing anti-Turkish interests. Meanwhile, US support in northern Syria for YPG, which is affiliated with the PKK, a terrorist organization that has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of Turkish citizens since the 1980s, signaled to Turkey that it should be more proactive militarily in the region if it is to secure its national interests.

    Encouraged by its military-technological revolution such as the Bayraktar TB2 unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV), Turkey embarked on its hard power approach as seen in Libya, Syria, and Azerbaijan’s Nagorno-Karabakh region.

    Keen to secure its strategic interests in Somalia, Turkey built the TURKSOM military academy on the outskirts of Mogadishu to train Somali troops.

    Internationally, Turkey saw an opportunity in taking advantage of what it perceives as an emerging multi-polar world order which will allow it as a regional power to flex its muscles and to demonstrate its strategic importance.

    For Somalia, securing and liberating the country from the threat posed by al-Shabaab militants as well as protecting its borders has been a top priority for successive governments.

    To achieve this, Somalia was in search of a militarily strong ally willing to support it generously. Almost 2,500 Somali soldiers have received training so far at TURKSOM, and Turkey has been generous in donating crucial military equipment to Somalia.

    So far, Turkish-trained forces have been at the forefront of the fight against al-Shabaab as part of the Somali National Army (SNA) and have been able to liberate new strategic towns such as Janale in the southeastern Lower Shebelle region of Somalia.

    Moreover, al-Shabaab attacks in the capital Mogadishu have declined.

    TURKSOM is also important for Somalia as the regional force, the African Union Mission to Somalia (AMISOM), gradually scales down its presence in the country to allow the SNA to take over Somalia’s fight against terrorism.

    Former US President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw approximately 800 US troops from Somalia in December last year also means that Turkey’s role in rebuilding the SNA is urgent and should be accelerated.

     

    - Smart power

    The aforementioned factors have encouraged Turkey to blend its soft power approach in Somalia and across the region with hard power to secure its national and strategic interests. Joseph Nye, an American political scientist, calls this blending “smart power.”

    Turkey’s growing smart power approach in Somalia is significant for both sides. For Turkey, it can become a pivotal player in the Horn of Africa region, secure its long-term strategic interests and widen its presence in sub-Saharan Africa.

    For Somalia, an honest and reliable ally like Turkey that is willing to support it during its most difficult times and to generously share its expertise in the military field is an indispensable gain.

    Recent developments in Afghanistan should serve as a great lesson for Somalia that international support is unreliable.

    The US withdrawal from Afghanistan and the Taliban takeover is a testament to Somalia that it cannot afford to rely on AMISOM or US military support. Hence, Turkey’s readiness to provide professional training and equipment to Somali soldiers is the kind of support Somalia needs and its leaders should embrace.

    You do know the soviet Government from 1960 until 1977 trained most of the Somali army right? You do know that when the Barre government started using said army against the population rebel groups sprung up right? You do know that this same army disintegrated and joined their respected clan militias when all out civil war erupted in Southern Somalia in 1991 right? 

    Training military personal does not mean anything unless that personal can protect the country from chaos. Somalia is morally and ethnically bankrupt and will most likely fold overnight to any terrorist group with a mild will to win. Turkey does not care about anything other than what is good for Turkey.

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  10. Posted

    What ever the scenario Somaliland would not fall under the boot of a terrorist organisation. They have no grassroot support and the government keeps a close eye on terrorist. The Taliban are like the TPLF, ELF, SNM or ZANu-PF in terms of organisation and success but nothing like that exist in Somalia so Somaliland is safe.

  11. Posted

    56 minutes ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

    Ooh yes afweyne did compensate them in terms of arms positions in his government etc. I never said their lives were not important but it can never be compared to the onslaught that happend in Hargeisa. Unless you say afweyne treated the two people exactly as the same. 

    The Puntland clan re-joined afweyne when he stop attacking them and address their grievances. Nothing of the sort was given to Somalilanders. afweyne visited Hargeisa for the last time in 1984 to talk to the elders about the SNM but he returned back to Mogadishu and decided Habr clans were not worthy of consideration and intensified the war against the Somalilanders.

    4 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

    SSIYAAD left over 30 years ago, who is holding you back now?

    SIYAD really messed up secessionist psychology,  move on

    1. Nothing is holding Somaliland back, the people control their own government and hold trade conferences with other nations. What is holding the paper government of Somalia from letting go of Somaliland?...I know.

    2.  Yes to some extent it did. Somalilanders did not think that their tax dollars would be used to destroy their homes and businesses. Anyone in the world would be effected by this and the fact the Dar**d clans refuse to acknowledge their role in the evil is what continues to poison the failed state of Somalia. 

  13. Posted

    3 hours ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

    How do you know who Shirwac's kin and clan are?

    So you admit now you are a secessionist? If so, waxba meelaha hala gamban. 

    1. I don't know for sure but I responded to his question as if he was.

    2. I admit nothing and I am not wasting anyone's time.

    But the fact that none of the southern clans have any remorse or guilt about the actions of their respected government officials means that the future for the current "government" of Somalia is very dim. I concluded that Somaliland can not reconcile with such ethnical and moral failings and should move ahead with U.N membership. After all the Jewish people never reconciled with the Nazis nor did the Bosnians reconciled with Croatians. 

    This is the logical conclusion that I have reached after reading the replies and if these replies are a proportional representation of the real world then the Somalia story has already ended and Somaliland is almost there in its pursuit of U.N membership and maybe this is the moral equaliser that will help the southern clans reflect on their character as being of a low nature. Somalis need wisdom and answers to their failings and maybe Somaliland can show the rest what moral and ethnics looks like in reality. I suspect it will be a hard lesson for them to digest and they may not be able to admit the gravity of the lesson as a whole just might be beyond their capacity. Thus the problem of Somalia was never Somalilanders but the bad actors and their evil supporters....that is all.

     

    Note: You can close the thread if you want moderators.

  14. Posted

    8 minutes ago, Shurwac said:

    For secessionist fanatic you ain't that bright.  Forget this M.O.D allegiance crap 30/40 years ago, and Go hug a tree to feel better...

    The root of this evil is your kin folk refusal to recognise the gravity of their moral failure. This prevents real progress for the failed state of Somalia.

  16. Posted

    6 minutes ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

    Have you seen this image below, Mr Blamer? All these ministers serving well for Siyaad Barre were your Reer Waqooyi uncles. 

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    Now, using and following your esteemed logic, do you blame all Reer Waqooyi too as well? Especially when this picture was taking in 1970s, Kacaanka were burying wells in Mudug and Nugaal in the name of fighting jabhad from there. Now, should all Reer Waqooyi apologize for this? 

    That's weird since the Puntland clan made peace with Barre after he "plugged" their wells and killed their people, where they not the first rebel group to form? SSDF made peace with Barre after he address their concerns. The SNM were never given such treatment and the in fact the government felt the SNM clan needed to be put in their "place" and subjugated as he saw them as not his people. Did Barre ever consider talking to the SNM in 1981? Any civilised government would address the concerns of its citizens and not act in a hostile manner when such grievances are brought up to be addressed after all they live in the northern part of the same country. The Puntland clan were seen as closer to Barre and so were shown understanding but SNM were mistreated and its people experienced human right abuses because they were considered lesser and thus not part of the "in group". This evil is what destroyed Somalia and not fighting between government forces and rebel groups. 

  17. Posted

    If you want Somalia to move forward into the light and leave behind the darkness it is currently in. Then you cannot do it without coming clean about the evil failure of Barre and his clan supporters . This will wash the pale blue flag from the innocent blood it is currently soaked it. Nothing is going to change Somalia for the better until his truth is confronted and dealt with.

  18. Posted

    13 hours ago, Mastermind said:

    Who was the most hated clan of Siad Barre? Even before he overthrew the Somali government led by *** president, he was filled with enmity of the Puntland clan and he hated them so much that he made sure no military officer took senior position in the Somali military. Do you also know the low level officers who tried to overthrow him in 1978 were mostly from that clan? Do you also know that the first rebel group SSDF were from same tribe as him? Do you know anything about Mudug and Nugal uprising and what happened to the Somali people in those regions?

    You seemed to have been fed with one sided story. Go out of your comfort zone and talk to different people from different tribes than yours so might get balanced view of the Somali hostory.

    Do you know the difference between clan motivated protest and a civil national protest of ordinary citizens? Siad Barre taught the Somali people there is no state where people can resolve their legitimate grievances in a peaceful way. The "state" is a private bank account of Mr Barre and his people only, this is what Barre showed the Somali people in a clear manner. Somalis at that time did not feel like the state was a system that could meet their needs but also the state became a destructive poison that was making life difficult for them. So they did the only option available to them....open war and total destruction of this state in order to gain freedom. This is a actually a  logical response to all the human right abuses and singling out particular clans, as messed up as it is.

    The moral failures of the Barre's clan and his supporters is what as kept Somalia in a dysfunctional state to this day and not "the rebellion". Talking openly and discussing this moral and ethnical failure of the Barre government will help Somalis move forward from this evil episode of our history.

    BTW The Puntland clan help evacuate Barre out the back door back in 1991 when the USC entered Mogadishu. Abdillahi Yusuf later regretted inciting rebellion if it would lead to state collapse. But this "state" was a threat to Somalis not of the government clan. 

  19. Posted

    8 hours ago, Arafaat said:

    Many people from those clans did stand up, please do look up about people like aun, Garaad Abdiqani who spoke up against Siyad Barre, Ali Khaliif Galeydh a senior Minister opposing the regime and becoming the most senior political exile, Dr.Mohamed Aden Sheick Health Minister and Parliamentarian convicted for treason and spending years in prison, and who then build the Hargeisa Children’s Hospital that has been named after him. Aden Abdullahi Gabyow former Defence Minister who was jailed and later on led the SPM. And many many others who were Senior Politicians, Military leaders, Artist, Academics, etc opposed him from wll Somali clans.

    But you need to keep in mind that Somalia was under a military dictatorship in which power was concentrated in the hands of one man, and you will find in each clan people that cheered for him and supported him,  and those that opposed him. Somali’s are not bad people, neither are there bad clans but try to look for more facts, listen to different people and what they have witnessed, only then you get a full picture of what happened. 

     

    Individuals standing up is one thing but what I am talking about is mass protest from the general population. The general population of the M.O.D clan alliance were in full support of the regime until the bitter end because like Xaaji Xunjuf said "they thought they would never lose power" which is why they never thought they would be held accountable for the human right abuses they inflicted on the population. Even to this day the M.O.D populace refuses to admit what they did was evil and amoral. 

  20. Posted

    21 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

    You are free to express your opinion, and  tell us how you feel, I don't think you should be censored, , it may help you, how do you think SOMALIA's calamity is  caused by just one clan?

    The M.O.D alliance govern in a corrupt and hostile manner when it came to meeting the needs of the Somali citizenry. The clans in power refused to stand up for righteousness and fairness and instead supported the regime against those the government hated. This mistake poisoned Somali society for good and made sure there could be no national resistance but a clan resistance to the state.

    25 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

    Explain yourself,  and your  background,  what traumas have you and your family  been through?  were you were an eye-witness, if not , who were your sources? 

    I have explained my self numerous times and try to convey my arguments in a simple manner. My personal details are not important as my story is no more unique than a thousand other stories told by Somalis in the diaspora.  My research is both from European and Somali sources. These sources are well know and a simple google research will bring up their research papers and books.

    33 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

    This place has healed a lot of people.

    I have no way of knowing if that is true. But there has been no healing in the real world for Somalis in general. The M.O.D clans need to come clean and apologies to the rest of the Somali nation and speak from a place of regret and ask the people for forgiveness. There will be no progress until the poison is removed first. People can make mistake but in order to move on there as to be accountability for those mistakes otherwise the abuse can happen again.

  21. Posted

    1 hour ago, maakhiri1 said:

    What is he talking about 

    What am I talking about? I am talking about the moral and ethnical failure of the people from the M.O.D clans refusal to stand up and admit their horrible mistake of destroying Somali civil society by introducing and making it O.K to support your clan above all else. This is what I am talking about and it is a critical mistake which should not to be taken lightly. 

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  24. Posted

    1 hour ago, Mastermind said:

    It is really important that you tell us how old you are so we can address you accordingly. If you are little teenager that does not know much then I can educate you. But if you are mature man and you are blaming a whole lot of tribe on what a Siyad Barre did then you are beyond repair and you should be left alone in your ignorance.

    Then who should be blame for the moral and ethnical failure of this clan? The M.O.D alliance clans did not speak out against the human right abuses of the regime. This lack of moral foresight prevented the issue from transcending clan loyalties. Do you not see this? In other countries where the dictator abuses his power the population raise up together in the national interest and remove the dictator from power, like in Romania. The reason why the same situation did not unfold in Somalia is simple the M.O.D clans were morally and ethnically bankrupt and this vacuum prevent any national unity from forming. Since M.O.D regime Ok'ed clan allegiance above national loyalty and state integrity. This mistake cost Somalis a nation state to call home for good.

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  25. Posted

    4 hours ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

    Samatar, what is your intention for this thread than to cause division?

    This thread is intended to explore the refusal of Somalis to tackle the problems they face head on. The assignment of blame to one clan is important as it shows that the problem has a root. If the source cannot be identified in earnest and the actions of said group not understood there will be much confusion between the older generation and the younger. A universal truth needs to be synthesised from this state collapse and then taught to the Somali people has the lessons provide real wisdom as to how to prevent such a case from occurring again. Somalis have not learned these lessons because nobody has explained the relationship between cause and effect. In this case it would be the M.O.D clans that were in power and their failure to step forward and address the concerns of the Somali citizenry in a civilised manner. The resistance to the dictator would have been a Somali national one instead of it descending into clan rebel groups fighting to regain their "homeland" not understanding that Somalia is the only homeland we have. But the M.O.D group instead decided to engage in human right abuses against other clans. This decision change the course of Somalia's history for good and made sure the identity of the clan would always supersede the identity of the nation. I hope you understand this point as it is most critical. This also explains why Somalis in general cannot work or get alone with each other without first knowing the person's clan as this creates some easy in an other anonymous world. 

    How do you expect to put Somalia back together again if the failure and evil of the M.O.D clans are not address? Let bygone be bygone is not enough and shaking hands can never heal the current Somalia. You may say that 30 years have passed and the moment is over and we are looking to the future. But this is simply window dressing the problem. There is someone to blame and that someone needs to come clean and apologise to the Somali people for making clan more important than nation. This is the simple truth even after all the analysis and data collecting is done. Then make sure the lessons are taught to future generations of Somalis if this wisdom is to be put to good use.